| Defence spending 12:59 - Feb 25 with 1804 views | Pinewoodblue |
Cutting aid budget to increase defence spending.
Would it not be more appropriate to raise income tax by 1%. |  |
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| Defence spending on 13:02 - Feb 25 with 1771 views | Mullet |
It'd be more appropriate to make the richest pay their share of tax, but that will only enrage Elon and Trump more.
The fact we are having to make drastic moves suddenly because America is now in the Russians' pocket is like something out of parody.
I assume it's all about optics given so many people see foreign aid as handouts for people they hate. But we have to make sure the world is clear our government is on the side of right. |  |
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| Defence spending on 13:06 - Feb 25 with 1727 views | Chris_ITFC |
More money to blow up the world and kill people.
Less money to develop the world and lift up people. |  | | |
| Defence spending on 13:13 - Feb 25 with 1677 views | Illinoisblue |
Blown it all on Greaves and O’Shea innit. |  |
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| Defence spending on 13:20 - Feb 25 with 1628 views | Churchman |
| Defence spending on 13:06 - Feb 25 by Chris_ITFC |
More money to blow up the world and kill people.
Less money to develop the world and lift up people. |
Unfortunately, in a dangerous world dominated by skidmarks like Putin, Trump and Xi you need sufficient strength to be left alone and to develop the world/lift people up. One comes before the other if you can’t do both.
Look how far giving up defence (nuclear weapons) and trusting the word of others got Ukraine? Country ravaged, 10s of 1000s killed and displaced, country soon to be lost to a dictator, people crushed to vassal status and even their assets stolen for generations by the very people they sought and trusted to help protect them (America).
It’s sad and disgusting that this is happening, but it is. 1p on income tax raises about £10bn which is about 0.5% of GDP. It should be done in addition to todays announcement and more raised to invest in defence industries that can and probably will pay for themself.
There’s no hiding place, nobody we can parasite off any more or trust, with a few exceptions. |  | | |
| Defence spending on 13:21 - Feb 25 with 1627 views | TractorWood |
No because raising taxes doesn't always result in higher receipts to the exchequer. It's called the Laffer curve.
This is precisely what we are seeing with the NI increase and LEL reduction. It becomes 2.5% more expensive to employ people on 06/04/25 so businesses adapt. Sometimes through redundancy. I know 3 people being made redundant atm.
End result is less people employed and same tax receipts. |  |
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| Defence spending on 13:25 - Feb 25 with 1598 views | homer_123 |
Raise it by 2% or 3% or even 5% and also fund the NHS, Education etc. [Post edited 25 Feb 13:26]
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| Defence spending on 13:31 - Feb 25 with 1554 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Defence spending on 13:20 - Feb 25 by Churchman |
Unfortunately, in a dangerous world dominated by skidmarks like Putin, Trump and Xi you need sufficient strength to be left alone and to develop the world/lift people up. One comes before the other if you can’t do both.
Look how far giving up defence (nuclear weapons) and trusting the word of others got Ukraine? Country ravaged, 10s of 1000s killed and displaced, country soon to be lost to a dictator, people crushed to vassal status and even their assets stolen for generations by the very people they sought and trusted to help protect them (America).
It’s sad and disgusting that this is happening, but it is. 1p on income tax raises about £10bn which is about 0.5% of GDP. It should be done in addition to todays announcement and more raised to invest in defence industries that can and probably will pay for themself.
There’s no hiding place, nobody we can parasite off any more or trust, with a few exceptions. |
Oh I know, was just being flippant. Complacency isn’t an option. | | | |
| Defence spending on 13:32 - Feb 25 with 1553 views | RegencyBlue |
To put right the years of neglect of our defences we will probably end up having to do both! |  | | |
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| Defence spending on 13:35 - Feb 25 with 1530 views | Keno |
I often wondered if we'd been better spending less on defence and getting a 3rd striker in |  |
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| Defence spending on 13:43 - Feb 25 with 1494 views | HairBearBunch |
NO it would not. Not in the real world anyway.
Lots of folks are struggling quite enough thank you, and a further burden to allow maintaining foreign aid /handouts (delete as appropriate) will only serve to cause resentment towards those that receive it. |  | | |
| Defence spending on 13:51 - Feb 25 with 1441 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Defence spending on 13:43 - Feb 25 by HairBearBunch |
NO it would not. Not in the real world anyway.
Lots of folks are struggling quite enough thank you, and a further burden to allow maintaining foreign aid /handouts (delete as appropriate) will only serve to cause resentment towards those that receive it. |
Didn’t Labour vote against cutting overseas aid when Johnson reduce figure from 0.7% to 0.5%.
In truth we perhaps ought to do both reduce aid and raise income tax. | |
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| Defence spending on 14:15 - Feb 25 with 1376 views | cressi |
Thought we was going to buy some proper defenders then  |  | | |
| Defence spending on 14:16 - Feb 25 with 1386 views | Guthrum |
| Defence spending on 13:43 - Feb 25 by HairBearBunch |
NO it would not. Not in the real world anyway.
Lots of folks are struggling quite enough thank you, and a further burden to allow maintaining foreign aid /handouts (delete as appropriate) will only serve to cause resentment towards those that receive it. |
Yes. Lots of people are struggling in Africa and the Middle East, facing war, starvation and oppression. So they get on boats and come to the UK. Which then costs us loads of money in mad schemes to store them on ships, or fly them to Rwanda. And, so we keep being told, puts immense strain on the NHS and other public services (which nobody wants to pay for either).
Might it not be better and cheaper to support them in their countries of origin, to sort out some of the issues in those places? |  |
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| Defence spending on 14:19 - Feb 25 with 1362 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
We may have stayed up if we'd spent more on the backline. |  |
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| Defence spending on 14:22 - Feb 25 with 1356 views | giant_stow |
Seems weird disagreeing, but in the current political context, I don't think there was any choice, but to fund things that way.
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| Defence spending on 15:49 - Feb 25 with 1229 views | bluejacko |
| Defence spending on 14:16 - Feb 25 by Guthrum |
Yes. Lots of people are struggling in Africa and the Middle East, facing war, starvation and oppression. So they get on boats and come to the UK. Which then costs us loads of money in mad schemes to store them on ships, or fly them to Rwanda. And, so we keep being told, puts immense strain on the NHS and other public services (which nobody wants to pay for either).
Might it not be better and cheaper to support them in their countries of origin, to sort out some of the issues in those places? |
If we were to stop giving’aid’ to nuclear powers and countries with space programs who obviously could spend money on their population and improve their conditions if they wanted to foreign aid will always be questioned!
If the aid could be targeted in Africa and not possibly ending up in corrupt officials pockets again that would be probably accepted, | | | |
| Defence spending on 15:53 - Feb 25 with 1216 views | NedPlimpton |
| Defence spending on 13:51 - Feb 25 by Pinewoodblue |
Didn’t Labour vote against cutting overseas aid when Johnson reduce figure from 0.7% to 0.5%.
In truth we perhaps ought to do both reduce aid and raise income tax. |
Yes, as did a fair few conservatives who were also opposed to Johnson's plan
But anyway, that was in 2021. So before Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022 and, most importantly, before Trump 2.0
Fortunately parties are allowed to change their minds based on circumstance |  | | |
| Defence spending on 15:54 - Feb 25 with 1217 views | bsw72 |
| Defence spending on 13:02 - Feb 25 by Mullet |
It'd be more appropriate to make the richest pay their share of tax, but that will only enrage Elon and Trump more.
The fact we are having to make drastic moves suddenly because America is now in the Russians' pocket is like something out of parody.
I assume it's all about optics given so many people see foreign aid as handouts for people they hate. But we have to make sure the world is clear our government is on the side of right. |
Make the richest pay, like the French have just tried to agree,.
Which will be blocked by those in power, as they are the friends of those with mega wealth who fund through donations the political parties. |  | | |
| Defence spending on 16:08 - Feb 25 with 1169 views | Mullet |
| Defence spending on 15:54 - Feb 25 by bsw72 |
Make the richest pay, like the French have just tried to agree,.
Which will be blocked by those in power, as they are the friends of those with mega wealth who fund through donations the political parties. |
Speaking of the French, a 21st century guillotine and removal of the monarch would also free up a fair few quid and improve the country massively.
Could go down both roads quite happily | |
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| Defence spending on 16:09 - Feb 25 with 1167 views | itfc_bucks |
| Defence spending on 15:49 - Feb 25 by bluejacko |
If we were to stop giving’aid’ to nuclear powers and countries with space programs who obviously could spend money on their population and improve their conditions if they wanted to foreign aid will always be questioned!
If the aid could be targeted in Africa and not possibly ending up in corrupt officials pockets again that would be probably accepted, |
Common misconception.
We don't just "give" a cheque to, say, India and ask them nicely to spend it on healthcare or what have you.
We establish programmes, in country and do what we think, fundamentally, benefits our own long-term soft power projection.
So, again, on your final point, while some aid spending is doubtless corrupted off, out of the system, the overriding majority of it is targeted and effective.
And, in the vast majority of cases, fully auditable.
*I used to work for an international development organisation. | | | |
| Defence spending on 16:34 - Feb 25 with 1104 views | Kropotkin123 |
A 0.2% change over 2 years. Woefully insufficient. |  |
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| Defence spending on 17:32 - Feb 25 with 985 views | Ftnfwest |
All for show. It's where they've hidden the chagos giveaway money |  | | |
| Defence spending on 18:38 - Feb 25 with 906 views | Trequartista |
No, and it would kill Labour after they pledged not to in their manifesto. They've took a big enough hit already with the winter fuel allowance. |  |
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| Defence spending on 18:40 - Feb 25 with 899 views | Trequartista |
| Defence spending on 13:06 - Feb 25 by Chris_ITFC |
More money to blow up the world and kill people.
Less money to develop the world and lift up people. |
If only it were that simple. | |
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| Defence spending on 19:13 - Feb 25 with 811 views | bluejacko |
| Defence spending on 16:09 - Feb 25 by itfc_bucks |
Common misconception.
We don't just "give" a cheque to, say, India and ask them nicely to spend it on healthcare or what have you.
We establish programmes, in country and do what we think, fundamentally, benefits our own long-term soft power projection.
So, again, on your final point, while some aid spending is doubtless corrupted off, out of the system, the overriding majority of it is targeted and effective.
And, in the vast majority of cases, fully auditable.
*I used to work for an international development organisation. |
Ok,do you really think the Indian,Chinese Govts give a flying stuff about our soft power? In fact didnt the Indians say they didn’t actually want our money a while ago but we said oh no you have got to have it! | | | |
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