| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... 16:13 - May 2 with 3806 views | Dubtractor |
It’s hard not to get carried away in our assessment of this team isn’t it? If carried away is actually the right term.
We’ve all been talking already about the chances of challenging for promotion next season, we’ve all had the back and forth with Plymouth fans about us arguably being the ‘best team’ too. And the other thread about team 2023 vs team 2000 is another example of it.
But the recent stats, in fact the form over the whole season, really stand up to scrutiny don’t they? 43 scored and 2 conceded in the last 14 games FFS — that suggests a team ready for a challenge far in advance of what we have been taking on.
But I still find myself needing to check my optimism, for fear of ultimately being arrogant, which is a horrible trait that we really don’t want to be showing.
I have watched very little Championship football in recent years, but it’s hard not to conclude that it isn’t as strong as it has been when you look at the low point totals at the top end (Burnley aside) and some of the unfancied teams challenging at the top end on small budgets.
Maybe, just maybe, we can be challenging at the top end next year…….. |  |
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 16:16 - May 2 with 3724 views | FrimleyBlue |
I don't have any expectations for next season.
But I do feel we will actually put in a top 6 challenge.
Even through all my gripe posts back in winter.. I did state numerous times that I would love to see a KM side in the championship as I felt his style is that of higher standard and we were just missing the better quality of player ( step up broadhead etc)
So for me. I don't expect anything. But I think we are in for a great season next year. |  |
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 16:20 - May 2 with 3704 views | GeoffSentence |
I'm convinced of it.
This team has not just been beating all comers, it has been wiping the floor with them.
Haven't seen much Championship footy this season but what I have seen does not worry me one jot.
Our reserve team was a match for Burnley's
Those teams in the running for promotion are not teams to frighten us in terms of resources or attractiveness to new signings.
Most of the bigger clubs in the division and Norwich are looking mediocre at best.
The major worry is who comes down from the Premier League.
We will be there or thereabouts. |  |
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 16:42 - May 2 with 3626 views | homer_123 |
Further evidence....the Rotherham and Burnley matches?
I watched Wall vs Pool the other night.....fecking awful. |  |
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 16:49 - May 2 with 3584 views | LeoMuff |
My goal would be top 10, get a feel of who is good enough for a play off tilt and who would need to be replaced. Only worry is Kmac getting poached. |  |
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 17:19 - May 2 with 3463 views | LankHenners |
Said before but you only have to look at Sunderland - didn't look like an outstanding League One team last season but had a good squad and have gone up with momentum, added some quality and have been hanging around the outskirts of the play-offs all season and could still end up in them.
Sample size of 1 obviously and they may just be having a one-off great season with the wind behind them but goes to show what can be achieved with a relatively big club on the up with everyone pulling in the same direction.
There are a lot of teams in the Championship (bottom half particularly) that are just ambling about having done nothing for years, drifting through life apathetic, playing in front of half-empty grounds etc. We should be confident about getting ourselves at least ahead of those lot at least and back ourselves to take on the tougher challenges.
Been a lot of chat about how we won't get teams sitting 10 men behind the ball and how teams will be more open and leave us room to get behind them but I think that's slightly naive as the teams who sit back will be better at it than the league one teams, and the ones that push forwards will have more quality to hurt us than league one counterparts.
Saying that, we're a very fit team with good physicality whilst also having a very high technical level to our play. We've got the foundations of a team that can compete very well in the Championship and everyone from the players to the fans should approach the challenge without fear. |  |
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 17:21 - May 2 with 3453 views | Lord_Lucan |
I don't think we will lose a game, mind you I think that every season.
On a slightly more serious note - I would be surprised if we don't make top 6, the squad is arguably good enough now (since Jan) to get top 6 and we are likely to invest anyway.
Plus of course we actually have some very shrewd people involved in this project. |  |
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 17:26 - May 2 with 3425 views | bluewein |
| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 16:42 - May 2 by homer_123 |
Further evidence....the Rotherham and Burnley matches?
I watched Wall vs Pool the other night.....fecking awful. |
See also Blackburn vs Luton last night.
Is this really the standard we're seeing in with a chance of prem football...? |  |
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 17:27 - May 2 with 3419 views | WestSussexBlue |
I think we should just calm down a tad and not get too carried away. We’re all on cloud Nine and beyond at the moment but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
We’ve literally brushed most of our opponents away in the past 10 weeks and deservedly we take our place back in the championship having been lauded by almost every manager we’ve faced this season.
I happen to think with the players we’ve got, and let’s face it many were signed to get us back in too the championship, that we’ll more than hold our own.
Finishing above mid table is certainly achievable but to challenge the top Six in our first season back may be a bit too much. There’s no question that Premier league status is the next goal in the eyes of “Gamechanger” and that will be achieved with more investment both on and off the pitch.
Let’s not become too arrogant however and expect immediate success again, after all in many people’s eyes league One was p1ss poor anyway. [Post edited 2 May 2023 19:04]
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 19:04 - May 2 with 3248 views | Churchman |
| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 17:27 - May 2 by WestSussexBlue |
I think we should just calm down a tad and not get too carried away. We’re all on cloud Nine and beyond at the moment but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
We’ve literally brushed most of our opponents away in the past 10 weeks and deservedly we take our place back in the championship having been lauded by almost every manager we’ve faced this season.
I happen to think with the players we’ve got, and let’s face it many were signed to get us back in too the championship, that we’ll more than hold our own.
Finishing above mid table is certainly achievable but to challenge the top Six in our first season back may be a bit too much. There’s no question that Premier league status is the next goal in the eyes of “Gamechanger” and that will be achieved with more investment both on and off the pitch.
Let’s not become too arrogant however and expect immediate success again, after all in many people’s eyes league One was p1ss poor anyway. [Post edited 2 May 2023 19:04]
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I’m by nature a glass half empty merchant when it comes to my teams, but I don’t think aiming for the top six is getting ahead of ourselves. I’ve seen a fair amount of Championship football and the standard really isn’t all that.
Sunderland is the most reliable marker and they’ve done well but I reckon we are starting from a better place than them, team wise. We competed with Rotherham and Burnley. Yes, they played weakened teams, but so did we.
Lastly, if there are not too many changes and we keep Hirst or find a replacement, we will have cohesion and a way of playing which will hurt a lot of teams.
Top six is a realistic target. [Post edited 2 May 2023 19:59]
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 19:30 - May 2 with 3139 views | cbower |
Just hope everyone is patient. I think we'll be competitive but there will be some bumps in the road. Be nice to get off to a decent start though. |  |
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 19:40 - May 2 with 3110 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
It’s a phenomenal record but obviously will be a challenge to maintain that kind of form over a whole season. The other thing is how we cope with injuries to key players, we were fortunate that all our Jan signings stayed fit for the run. Would we have done so without Broadhead for example (though I expect us to build some depth of quality cover).
Anyway I’m incredibly proud to be a Town fan right now - it’s been a long time since I felt that. And it’s not gone unnoticed the way we’ve not just beaten but swatted aside everyone put in front of us, lots of people asking about it!
It will be a longgggg summer! | | | |
| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 19:46 - May 2 with 3084 views | ArnieM |
I know one thing for sure. Had this group of players been playing for scum, there would have been wall to wall coverage EVERY WEEK throughout the season. We’d never have been allowed to forget how good their team is.
So the bunch of To ssas pulling the plug on the Town interviews and coverage tonight, quite deliberately, says more about them as a tin pot population and how our resurgence is putting the wind up them big time.
Hope their £66m debt bites them in the arse! |  |
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 19:57 - May 2 with 3054 views | yorkshireblue |
| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 19:40 - May 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
It’s a phenomenal record but obviously will be a challenge to maintain that kind of form over a whole season. The other thing is how we cope with injuries to key players, we were fortunate that all our Jan signings stayed fit for the run. Would we have done so without Broadhead for example (though I expect us to build some depth of quality cover).
Anyway I’m incredibly proud to be a Town fan right now - it’s been a long time since I felt that. And it’s not gone unnoticed the way we’ve not just beaten but swatted aside everyone put in front of us, lots of people asking about it!
It will be a longgggg summer! |
Injuries have played a major part - our (relatively) lack of them and Wednesday picking up injuries to key players at the tail end of the season. |  | | |
| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 20:07 - May 2 with 2998 views | Sharkey |
| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 17:19 - May 2 by LankHenners |
Said before but you only have to look at Sunderland - didn't look like an outstanding League One team last season but had a good squad and have gone up with momentum, added some quality and have been hanging around the outskirts of the play-offs all season and could still end up in them.
Sample size of 1 obviously and they may just be having a one-off great season with the wind behind them but goes to show what can be achieved with a relatively big club on the up with everyone pulling in the same direction.
There are a lot of teams in the Championship (bottom half particularly) that are just ambling about having done nothing for years, drifting through life apathetic, playing in front of half-empty grounds etc. We should be confident about getting ourselves at least ahead of those lot at least and back ourselves to take on the tougher challenges.
Been a lot of chat about how we won't get teams sitting 10 men behind the ball and how teams will be more open and leave us room to get behind them but I think that's slightly naive as the teams who sit back will be better at it than the league one teams, and the ones that push forwards will have more quality to hurt us than league one counterparts.
Saying that, we're a very fit team with good physicality whilst also having a very high technical level to our play. We've got the foundations of a team that can compete very well in the Championship and everyone from the players to the fans should approach the challenge without fear. |
"drifting through life apathetic, playing in front of half-empty grounds etc."
I happened to see Stoke's end-of-season lap-of-honour. It was truly horrible to behold. |  | | |
| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 20:26 - May 2 with 2931 views | MattinLondon |
As it stands Millwall could stay in the playoffs despite losing 15 matches and despite having under 70 points. That to me suggests that a team doesn’t need to be world beaters to challenge for a top 6 spot.
What makes the preseason so exciting is that KM seems to be quite clear what type of player he wants. MA knows how to get deals done and the owners (to date) seem to be ambitious, but yet patient and sensible (traits that aren’t common in owners)
I’m pretty sure that if the current first eleven started the first game of next season then we would be more than capable of challenging for the play offs. A new addition here and there could make a positive difference.
For the first time in decades we aren’t looking at bargain basement freebies but footballers who can actually change the tempo and style of each match. It’s exciting to say the least. |  | | |
| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 20:43 - May 2 with 2900 views | Vic |
For me a season of consolidation, with some strengthening in Jan once we’ve seen how our lads step up. Even with that I think we’re absolutely capable of a top 10 finish, and with the fair wind of momentum behind us a top 6 place isn’t inconceivable.
However, I suspect that wont be the mindset of neither the owners nor KM. I’m sure they will planning for a full on tilt effort at the playoffs. I’d be very, very surprised if they haven’t already identified a list of players they want to bring in. |  |
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 21:07 - May 2 with 2804 views | BigCommon |
Keep your optimism, I say...
You're allowed to make judgement on what you've been watching.. I'm very confident for next season. There are a lot of teams in Champ, just treading water with no momentum. The most dangerous sides will be the 3 that come down from the Prem, imo. No one else scares me, that are currently in that division... |  | | |
| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 21:17 - May 2 with 2770 views | MattinLondon |
| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 20:43 - May 2 by Vic |
For me a season of consolidation, with some strengthening in Jan once we’ve seen how our lads step up. Even with that I think we’re absolutely capable of a top 10 finish, and with the fair wind of momentum behind us a top 6 place isn’t inconceivable.
However, I suspect that wont be the mindset of neither the owners nor KM. I’m sure they will planning for a full on tilt effort at the playoffs. I’d be very, very surprised if they haven’t already identified a list of players they want to bring in. |
What do you mean by consolidation? If a club isn’t actively trying to strengthen their squad season-on-season then they are actually going backwards. Think we need to carry in that momentum and get better. Sensibly so. | | | |
| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 10:52 - May 3 with 2478 views | norfsufblue |
| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 19:57 - May 2 by yorkshireblue |
Injuries have played a major part - our (relatively) lack of them and Wednesday picking up injuries to key players at the tail end of the season. |
Injury has cost us the championship!... Broady missed a game which we drew!...I mean it's been horrific 😉ðŸ‘🤣🤣 |  | | |
| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 11:19 - May 3 with 2413 views | hoppy |
| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 19:04 - May 2 by Churchman |
I’m by nature a glass half empty merchant when it comes to my teams, but I don’t think aiming for the top six is getting ahead of ourselves. I’ve seen a fair amount of Championship football and the standard really isn’t all that.
Sunderland is the most reliable marker and they’ve done well but I reckon we are starting from a better place than them, team wise. We competed with Rotherham and Burnley. Yes, they played weakened teams, but so did we.
Lastly, if there are not too many changes and we keep Hirst or find a replacement, we will have cohesion and a way of playing which will hurt a lot of teams.
Top six is a realistic target. [Post edited 2 May 2023 19:59]
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You could add Coventry in with Sunderland as a marker as well - they’re up there as well, and didn’t look an amazing side when they went up. |  |
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 11:32 - May 3 with 2352 views | jayessess |
| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 20:26 - May 2 by MattinLondon |
As it stands Millwall could stay in the playoffs despite losing 15 matches and despite having under 70 points. That to me suggests that a team doesn’t need to be world beaters to challenge for a top 6 spot.
What makes the preseason so exciting is that KM seems to be quite clear what type of player he wants. MA knows how to get deals done and the owners (to date) seem to be ambitious, but yet patient and sensible (traits that aren’t common in owners)
I’m pretty sure that if the current first eleven started the first game of next season then we would be more than capable of challenging for the play offs. A new addition here and there could make a positive difference.
For the first time in decades we aren’t looking at bargain basement freebies but footballers who can actually change the tempo and style of each match. It’s exciting to say the least. |
Not sure how much you learn about the quality of a division from this sort of thing.
Everything's relative, so the big points total at the top of League One tell you that there's a big gap in quality between the Top 4 and everyone else, but not necessarily whether that's because the other 20 teams are relatively bad or because those 4 are exceptionally good.
The low points total that Millwall have (and the large group of teams not far below them) just tells you that there's a large group of teams that are similar in quality in the Championship, who regularly take points off each other. It doesn't tell you what that level of quality actually is.
I would say though, Millwall being Top 6 competitive is, in itself, a great sign for us. Last season their total revenue was £18.6m, ours will be something more like £25-30m. |  |
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 11:50 - May 3 with 2266 views | lowhouseblue |
we're clearly very good for the third division - since the january transfers exceptionally so. but what that means for next season i have no idea. i can't see us struggling. but can we play the way we have week in week out against better teams. will we be able to retain the ball so well and be allowed to dictate games in the way we have? teams do go straight up and through the championship - and based on what we've shown this season I can't see that we're obviously weaker than teams that have done that. but i find it impossible to calibrate our squad against those in the top half of the championship. who knows. |  |
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 12:24 - May 3 with 2196 views | gringoblue |
| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 17:27 - May 2 by WestSussexBlue |
I think we should just calm down a tad and not get too carried away. We’re all on cloud Nine and beyond at the moment but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
We’ve literally brushed most of our opponents away in the past 10 weeks and deservedly we take our place back in the championship having been lauded by almost every manager we’ve faced this season.
I happen to think with the players we’ve got, and let’s face it many were signed to get us back in too the championship, that we’ll more than hold our own.
Finishing above mid table is certainly achievable but to challenge the top Six in our first season back may be a bit too much. There’s no question that Premier league status is the next goal in the eyes of “Gamechanger” and that will be achieved with more investment both on and off the pitch.
Let’s not become too arrogant however and expect immediate success again, after all in many people’s eyes league One was p1ss poor anyway. [Post edited 2 May 2023 19:04]
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I know what you mean, and initially I was thinking lets jut consolidate in the championship, finish upper bottom half without ever being under threat of a relegation scrap. Then I listened to the latest NTT20 podcast and the two guys on there, clearly knowledgable and not wearing blue tinted specs, were absolutely singing our praises and saying they expect us to be challenging for promotion. [Post edited 3 May 2023 12:25]
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| There is a risk of overstating how good we are, but... on 13:19 - May 3 with 2107 views | chicoazul |
Think we will need a new engine room and maybe a new 9 but the rest of the team looks extremely excellent. Like you say hard not to get carried away! Especially since it’s been so long since we had something real to be happy about. |  |
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