| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. 12:34 - Jun 3 with 11487 views | itfcjoe |
My view on squad currently with retained list well overdue - i.e. which over 21 players will be here next season and offered a deal
GK (3)
Hladky, Walton, Slicker
FBs (3)
Davis, Tuanzebe, Clarke
CBs (5)
Burgess, Woolfenden, Edmundson, Ndaba, Baggott
CMs (4+1)
Morsy, Taylor, Luongo, El Mizouni, (Humphreys U21)
FWs (4/5)
Burns, Chaplin, Broadhead, Harness, (Jackson - contract status not announced)
STs (4)
Hirst, Al-Hamadi, Ladapo, Ahadme
Total of 23 senior players plus Kayden Jackson (unsure) and Cameron Humphreys (U21)
Think it's fairly safe to say the following players will be heading out on loan again, or sold for a fee/mutually terminated (i.e. weren't close to being good enough for us last season)
Elkan Baggott, Corrie Ndaba, Idris El Mizouni, Freddie Ladapo and Gassan Ahadme
If we then exclude Jackson from this, it leaves us with 18 senior players, so for me transfer business this summer looks like this:
Additions
- 7 new signings to fill the gaps to take us to 25 men
Senior players departing (3)
- Walton, Edmundson and Harness at most risk of going as not regular starters
- If any of these leave it will see them replaced on a 'one in-one out' nightclub door policy
Further loans (2)
- Slicker and Al-Hamadi may be ones to go out on loan
- As above if this happens it will be the nightclub door policy
Other points of interest
- Cam Humphreys may be retained as 26th man as still an U21
- Kayden Jackson may get a new deal and then one less addition
- Does Jack Taylor fall into one of the above 2 categories when looking at game time last year?
Overall view
- 7 new signings, with potential for up to 5 more
- The '5 more' may be split across the summer and January transfer windows |  |
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| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 12:38 - Jun 3 with 6715 views | itfcjoe |
So squad as it stands ahead of the window:
GK - Hladky, Walton, Slicker
RB - Clarke, Tuanzebe
LB - Davis
CB - Woolfenden, Edmundson, Burgess
CM - Morsy, Taylor, Luongo (Humphreys)
FW - Burns, Chaplin, Broadhead, Harness, (Jackson)
ST - Hirst, Al-Hamadi
Shopping list
RB - Tuanzbe to be seen more as a CB
LB to back up Davis
CB
CM
RW
10
Striker
Plus upgrades on areas where we can | |
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| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 12:39 - Jun 3 with 6710 views | Vic |
Interesting to see your thoughts and not going to disagree with most of that Joe.
Re Jack Taylor - I have a suspicion that KM and his team know more about him than me so happy with whatever they decide, but for me I'd defo like him to stay as an integral part of the squad. I think he's one that has potential to make a step up. |  |
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| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 12:42 - Jun 3 with 6667 views | itfctilidie |
Taylor was held back in part by the great partnership Luongo had with Morsy which was key to our style. I think we will have to adapt our style which will see Luongo play less minutes, and I think Taylor will be ahead of him in the pecking order with a change in style. So I can't see him leaving in any capacity.
Otherwise agree totally, |  | | |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 12:45 - Jun 3 with 6641 views | itfcjoe |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 12:39 - Jun 3 by Vic |
Interesting to see your thoughts and not going to disagree with most of that Joe.
Re Jack Taylor - I have a suspicion that KM and his team know more about him than me so happy with whatever they decide, but for me I'd defo like him to stay as an integral part of the squad. I think he's one that has potential to make a step up. |
Yep, I'd like to see Taylor stay and we chased him for so long it's clear we see a role for him - but ultimately he had 18 players start more league games than him last season so just really didn't make his mark so has a long way to go | |
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| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 12:45 - Jun 3 with 6632 views | burnbudgiesburn |
When you see the squad laid out like that and Hutchinson/Sarmiento less holes appearing it does lack a certain type. A player than can use technique and skill to run at and beat a player.
Whether we get one or both back, I feel that's the type of player we will need.
Also, spare a thought for Pan Camara. So out of it he doesn't even get a mention on the sell/release/terminate list heh! |  | | |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 12:48 - Jun 3 with 6591 views | NthQldITFC |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 12:42 - Jun 3 by itfctilidie |
Taylor was held back in part by the great partnership Luongo had with Morsy which was key to our style. I think we will have to adapt our style which will see Luongo play less minutes, and I think Taylor will be ahead of him in the pecking order with a change in style. So I can't see him leaving in any capacity.
Otherwise agree totally, |
Yes, I think that's bang on. There will have to be style change, and whilst it's totally nominal rather than a hard description, I suspect we're going to be playing more of a 4-2½-2½-1 this year where Taylor is a good fit for the ½+½ role. |  |
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| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 12:48 - Jun 3 with 6579 views | portmanking |
Double figures for transfers, comfortably. 10-11 with scope for a couple more in Jan. | | | |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 12:52 - Jun 3 with 6510 views | rkc123 |
I think Jackson will get a new deal, McKenna really likes him, I think he's a positive influence amongst the squad, and I could see him getting enough games in the cups and maybe here and there off the bench in the league that he will be happy with sticking around for one more year, even if he doesn't really feature often.
I think unless we get a huge offer for Davis or receive another too good to turn down offer for anyone, it will be 4 or 5 new permanent signings, and then 2 loans, with only the obvious players you mention departing.
I also said this in another thread, but I wouldn't be certain that McKenna feels the need to fill the 25 man squad this summer, 24 or maybe even 23 would likely be workable given the fact we will be playing less games, plus it allows more flexibility in January to make 2 or 3 more additions once McKenna has assessed how players are doing with the step up. | | | |
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| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 12:55 - Jun 3 with 6474 views | SouthfieldsBlue |
Imagine Harness and Walton are almost certainties to leave. Edmundson was looking like he might displace Woolfenden towards the end of the season so he might be willing to give it another crack, whereas the other two were just completely out of it.
A lot depends of we see Tuanzebe as a RB or CB, if as a RB we look for a LCB and a LB, if he is a CB we probably are trying to get rid of one of the RCBs, and buying a RB, CB and LB.
Definitely need a Morsy type player, suspension will be less of a worry as less games to accumulate yellow cards but with yet another jump in work rate required feels like he won't get through 90 minutes every week. Similarly we might want an upgrade on Luongo/Taylor.
Big numbers we will be looking at are the front 4, at least 1 in every position will be needed, and won't come cheap I suspect. So 7-9 additions. | | | |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 12:55 - Jun 3 with 6471 views | itfcjoe |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 12:52 - Jun 3 by rkc123 |
I think Jackson will get a new deal, McKenna really likes him, I think he's a positive influence amongst the squad, and I could see him getting enough games in the cups and maybe here and there off the bench in the league that he will be happy with sticking around for one more year, even if he doesn't really feature often.
I think unless we get a huge offer for Davis or receive another too good to turn down offer for anyone, it will be 4 or 5 new permanent signings, and then 2 loans, with only the obvious players you mention departing.
I also said this in another thread, but I wouldn't be certain that McKenna feels the need to fill the 25 man squad this summer, 24 or maybe even 23 would likely be workable given the fact we will be playing less games, plus it allows more flexibility in January to make 2 or 3 more additions once McKenna has assessed how players are doing with the step up. |
We've always totally filled it across the last 2 seasons, and McKenna likes a big squad to train with.
My guess would be if we don't want to fill it to allow flexibility then maybe an Ndaba or El Mizouni or Baggott remains until January and then that can provide the flexibility at that time | |
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| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:08 - Jun 3 with 6184 views | Illinoisblue |
Sounds about right. How much can we spend? Or, rather, how much are we restricted by financial rules? Seems likely we’ll be breaking our transfer record at least a couple of times, maybe more. |  |
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| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:10 - Jun 3 with 6140 views | _clive_baker_ |
Yeah that's where I go to too. Think it's going to shake out at 7 additions (including loans) and then a 1 in, 1 out basis with the likes of Harness, Edmundson, AAH potentially most at risk, depending possibly on pre season and availability / profile of recruits.
Retained list thread had me looking at our squad by _clive_baker_ 31 May 2024 20:13Safe to assume all of the following are off, in one form or another? Ball, Camara, Jackson, Donacien, Williams, Travis, Hutchinson, Sarmiento, Aluko, Moore, Ndaba, El-Mizouni, Hayes.
That’s 13. Presumably Ladapo too if we can find a home for him, although that won’t be cheap and I would expect we’ll have to contribute most of his wages / bridge any gap. Ahadme & Baggott presumably out on loans or moved on too.
Quite a lot innit, and that’s before question marks around a few others, namely in the keeper department. Excluding keepers that leaves 16 by my reckoning, including Humphreys, Edmundson, Harness & Al-Hamadi who you might argue won’t all be in the squad.
We’ll bring in at least 6 or 7 won’t we?
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| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:14 - Jun 3 with 6066 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:08 - Jun 3 by Illinoisblue |
Sounds about right. How much can we spend? Or, rather, how much are we restricted by financial rules? Seems likely we’ll be breaking our transfer record at least a couple of times, maybe more. |
I heard from someone connected that we're willing to spend up to £90m. Sounds ludicrous, but probably isn't really when you consider Hutchinson might be 1/5 of that.
From a rules perspective we've probably got the headroom, as if that's spent on players on 4 year deals then you would be looking at £22.5m hitting the P&L for each of the following 4 seasons, 2 of which are guaranteed to be under PL / parachute money, more of course if we stay up. That gives us the time and wiggle room to sell if we do go down, and Davis of course is one we could move on and see a significant benefit to the financials given he was signed for a relative pittance. [Post edited 3 Jun 2024 13:17]
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| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:15 - Jun 3 with 6037 views | chicoazul |
Threads like this terrify me and then I remember we already made our best possible signing this summer. |  |
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| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:17 - Jun 3 with 5981 views | JakeITFC |
Agree with your summary, I think I landed on 7-11 needed the other day.
On top of that, from an attribute perspective I think we are missing:
- running power, in both midfield and attack
- Premier League experience
- closing games out options |  | | |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:23 - Jun 3 with 5853 views | DarkBrandon |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 12:55 - Jun 3 by SouthfieldsBlue |
Imagine Harness and Walton are almost certainties to leave. Edmundson was looking like he might displace Woolfenden towards the end of the season so he might be willing to give it another crack, whereas the other two were just completely out of it.
A lot depends of we see Tuanzebe as a RB or CB, if as a RB we look for a LCB and a LB, if he is a CB we probably are trying to get rid of one of the RCBs, and buying a RB, CB and LB.
Definitely need a Morsy type player, suspension will be less of a worry as less games to accumulate yellow cards but with yet another jump in work rate required feels like he won't get through 90 minutes every week. Similarly we might want an upgrade on Luongo/Taylor.
Big numbers we will be looking at are the front 4, at least 1 in every position will be needed, and won't come cheap I suspect. So 7-9 additions. |
"A lot depends of we see Tuanzebe as a RB or CB"
I agree with this. Furthermore
1) I think he's a centre half and
2) I don't know if he's good enough for the PL. I have seen almost nothing of him in that position
If he's viewed as good enough I can see us running with those 4 centre backs.
We'd then need two more full backs, at least one central midfielder (to replace Travis) at least one striker (to replace Moore), probably three attacking midfielders (to replace Hutch, Sarmiento and maybe Harness).
That's seven. Throw in a promising youth or two and you are there. |  | | |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:24 - Jun 3 with 5826 views | tractorboy1978 |
Totally agree. And I expect it'll be somewhere between 8-10 signings something like this:
2 x £20m
3 x < £15m
2/3 x loans
2 x free transfers - more experienced heads | | | |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:25 - Jun 3 with 5812 views | chicoazul |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:14 - Jun 3 by _clive_baker_ |
I heard from someone connected that we're willing to spend up to £90m. Sounds ludicrous, but probably isn't really when you consider Hutchinson might be 1/5 of that.
From a rules perspective we've probably got the headroom, as if that's spent on players on 4 year deals then you would be looking at £22.5m hitting the P&L for each of the following 4 seasons, 2 of which are guaranteed to be under PL / parachute money, more of course if we stay up. That gives us the time and wiggle room to sell if we do go down, and Davis of course is one we could move on and see a significant benefit to the financials given he was signed for a relative pittance. [Post edited 3 Jun 2024 13:17]
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Think the player we need to be most worried about losing is Woolf, which would give us a huge transfer benefit if it happened for a stonking fee. | |
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| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:26 - Jun 3 with 5790 views | heavyweight |
Has the option on Tuanzebe been taken up ? | | | |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:27 - Jun 3 with 5771 views | Colin_Viljoen |
Does anybody think we will go in for Kieffer Moore? |  | | |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:37 - Jun 3 with 5605 views | Trequartista |
I think Humphreys going out on loan is imperative for his development.
My 25 are
New GK
Hladcky
New dirt cheap 3rd keeper
Clarke
New RB
New CB
Tuanzebe
Woolfenden
Burgess
Davis
New cover LB
Morsy
New DCM
Luongo
Taylor
New CM
Broadhead
Chaplin
Burns
New ACM preferably Hutchinson
New ACM preferably Sarmiento
New ALM/ARM
New #9
New #10
Hirst
Loan out: Slicker, Baggott, Humphreys, El Mizouni, Al-Hamadi.
Sell/Release: Walton, Edmundson, Ndaba, Harness, Jackson, Ladapo, Ahadme
I realise that's quite a lot of signings (12), but there is still the core of the side there to continue our style of play, and we need to be bold to compete. |  |
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| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:49 - Jun 3 with 5484 views | Pinewoodblue |
Have feeling we will also make 4/5 or more signings of under 21 players released by top six clubs. Arsenal for example are releasing 22 players the majority are under 21.
We have reached EPL quicker than anticipated there is a shortage of players coming through from our own academy/ u21s. Suspect we will look to fill that gap. |  |
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| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:52 - Jun 3 with 5464 views | tcblue |
For all it matters, from what I've seen of him, Tuanzebe is probably our most gifted physically of a CB pool with he, Woolfy and Burgess.
By that I mean, I'd back him at CB against, say, Haaland (omg the thought terrifies me) than the others, with his pace and strength.
Weirdly think, if we get options in at RB to shift him to CB, our CBs are arguably the last part of the squad to strengthen on a needs basis | | | |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:54 - Jun 3 with 5434 views | portmanking |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 13:37 - Jun 3 by Trequartista |
I think Humphreys going out on loan is imperative for his development.
My 25 are
New GK
Hladcky
New dirt cheap 3rd keeper
Clarke
New RB
New CB
Tuanzebe
Woolfenden
Burgess
Davis
New cover LB
Morsy
New DCM
Luongo
Taylor
New CM
Broadhead
Chaplin
Burns
New ACM preferably Hutchinson
New ACM preferably Sarmiento
New ALM/ARM
New #9
New #10
Hirst
Loan out: Slicker, Baggott, Humphreys, El Mizouni, Al-Hamadi.
Sell/Release: Walton, Edmundson, Ndaba, Harness, Jackson, Ladapo, Ahadme
I realise that's quite a lot of signings (12), but there is still the core of the side there to continue our style of play, and we need to be bold to compete. |
This is bang on IMO.
Although Hladky's future remains firmly up in the air. | | | |
| Transfers this summer, how many? State of Squad. on 14:03 - Jun 3 with 5282 views | Pinewoodblue |
Have feeling we will also make 4/5 or more signings of under 21 players released by top six clubs. Arsenal for example are releasing 22 players the majority are under 21.
We have reached EPL quicker than anticipated there is a shortage of players coming through from our own academy/ u21s. Suspect we will look to fill that gap.
Not sure why this post has suddenly been duplicated. Ignore it [Post edited 3 Jun 2024 14:05]
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