| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... 08:31 - Jan 4 with 16366 views | witchdoctor |
with all the talk of another ....shudder... extention to his contract, who would be happy for M M to still be in charge at the start of next season? |  | | |  |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 08:39 - Jan 4 with 7588 views | noggin |
I don't care anymore. |  |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 08:43 - Jan 4 with 7571 views | Darth_Koont |
If we go on a hell of a run and McCarthy shows what he wanted from his first-choice and full-strength team, then yes.
As that's unlikely, then no. I think we need a change whether that comes from ME giving Mick more money or someone else trying to freshen things up under the current budget restrictions. |  |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 08:45 - Jan 4 with 7555 views | witchdoctor |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 08:39 - Jan 4 by noggin |
I don't care anymore. |
fair point...lot’s of apathy around at the mo. | | | |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 08:50 - Jan 4 with 7526 views | JimmyJazz |
The situation you don't want is to get rid of a manager and then 2 weeks later still have no idea who to appoint next. Look at Sheff Wed now or earlier Everton. |  |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 08:52 - Jan 4 with 7518 views | hype313 |
I don't trust Milne or Evans to make the right appointment, I'm no Mick fan, but who will come in and massively improve us given the financial restraints he will have to work with? |  |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 08:52 - Jan 4 with 7517 views | ITFC_Forever |
No I don't him to be here, but yes, I think he will be offered and will accept a new deal. |  |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 08:56 - Jan 4 with 7503 views | Steve_M |
If last Summer would have been a good time for a change then I think this one certainly will be, both MM and the club would probably benefit from a change. That said, if MM is here next season then it should be judged on it's own merits not on the basis of 14-15 or last season.
For what it's worth, I expect us to be in a similarly jaded position with the next manager after 18 months to two years. Under the owner's current strategy (such as it is) I can't see how we'll ever manage to compete better and more consistently across a season. |  |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:01 - Jan 4 with 7481 views | SomethingBlue |
Where is all the talk about Mick's contract being extended? Clear enough that he's off and it is the right thing. |  |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:07 - Jan 4 with 7454 views | WD19 |
I don't think he would accept if offered, which is a big problem for ME..... and by extension.....potentially all of us.. |  | | |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:08 - Jan 4 with 7451 views | ITFC_Forever |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:01 - Jan 4 by SomethingBlue |
Where is all the talk about Mick's contract being extended? Clear enough that he's off and it is the right thing. |
No talk as such.... more the knowledge that there's a two year option (but Mick and ME both have the power of veto, so both parties have to agreed to it).
And also the fact that ME isn't brave enough to take any risk, so he will take the easy option and stick with Mick.
In addition to that, ME has also taken the easy option by letting Mick run the footballing side of the club (certainly as far as first / U-23's are concerned).
And then there's the fear that ME will appoint another journeyman (Megson etc) instead of someone who might be decent - Warburton, Monk, Jones, Potter, Clarke etc. | |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:18 - Jan 4 with 7403 views | JimmyJazz |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:01 - Jan 4 by SomethingBlue |
Where is all the talk about Mick's contract being extended? Clear enough that he's off and it is the right thing. |
Someone's going to be disappointed this summer | |
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| Can only really reiterate..... on 09:22 - Jan 4 with 7395 views | Bloots |
....Steve's comment.
Under the current ownership there will be very little, if any change to our current (and now historical) situation, no matter who the manager is.
Most people in and around the game know that MM is doing a decent job with the tools he is being given, but of course they aren't fans and don't have the emotional (or financial) investment in the club that we have.
By definition fans cannot look at a football club objectively.
We are the dullest of dull clubs playing in dullsville.
I fully expect MM to be offered a new deal because he suits Evan's approach to the club. Whether he accepts it or not is another matter.
I expect he'll decide to move on personally. He's probably got another push for promotion in him with a club that will back him, and given the "stability" he's created here he won't need tens of millions to achieve it, just a realistic Championship budget.
From our perspective this could be the making or the breaking of the club.
A young progressive manager or a foreign coach with a different philosophy and some investment would bring some change. But a dull uninspiring "been round the block" Championship manager with the same level of investment will bring no positives, and (in my view) probably negatives.
So really it's down to the owner, but I'd rank our options in this order:
1. New style manager + investment
2. MM + Investment
Jt 3. New style manager/MM
5. Championship manager
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| Can only really reiterate..... on 09:24 - Jan 4 with 7386 views | Steve_M |
| Can only really reiterate..... on 09:22 - Jan 4 by Bloots |
....Steve's comment.
Under the current ownership there will be very little, if any change to our current (and now historical) situation, no matter who the manager is.
Most people in and around the game know that MM is doing a decent job with the tools he is being given, but of course they aren't fans and don't have the emotional (or financial) investment in the club that we have.
By definition fans cannot look at a football club objectively.
We are the dullest of dull clubs playing in dullsville.
I fully expect MM to be offered a new deal because he suits Evan's approach to the club. Whether he accepts it or not is another matter.
I expect he'll decide to move on personally. He's probably got another push for promotion in him with a club that will back him, and given the "stability" he's created here he won't need tens of millions to achieve it, just a realistic Championship budget.
From our perspective this could be the making or the breaking of the club.
A young progressive manager or a foreign coach with a different philosophy and some investment would bring some change. But a dull uninspiring "been round the block" Championship manager with the same level of investment will bring no positives, and (in my view) probably negatives.
So really it's down to the owner, but I'd rank our options in this order:
1. New style manager + investment
2. MM + Investment
Jt 3. New style manager/MM
5. Championship manager
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Can you edit your list to include Megson at about number 78 please. | |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:29 - Jan 4 with 7369 views | PhilTWTD |
I think there's little chance of MM being here next season, doesn't suit any party for him to stay really (other than if we're promoted). |  | | |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:30 - Jan 4 with 7346 views | homer_123 |
At the end of last season when a lot on here wanted Mick to go .... by homer_123 3 Jan 2018 7:59As I replied to Joe last night.
If I thought a change of manager would bring about a genuine change in our fortunes, then I'd be supporting said change with greater vigor.
The issue, as I see it, is that our owner seems disinclined to 'invest' in his managers - therefore, any manager coming in, is likely to have to work within the same financial constraints that Mick has been working under.
If that is the case - then, who is better than Mick (and available to us under our current financial situ) in working under those circumstances? It feels like 'better the devil you know', at the moment.
If the financial landscape does change or could change with a change in manager (and I'm not advocating spending tens of millions), then I agree, it's time for a change.
Otherwise, we might find ourselves out of the frying pan and into the fire.
All the above being said - I can completely see that a change may well be needed regardless. As Joe pointed out, season ticket sales are coming up, the relationship between Mick and the fans is deteriorating daily, among many other things.
The slightly ironic thing for me, is that I believe Mick has actually made some positive signings this season and also attempted to play with both a little more attacking flair and variety - it's not perfect but it's an improvement.
Finally, what I would say is that I'd like Mick to be remembered for the positives he brought to the Club - I do, believe he's done a very decent/ good job under the circumstances he has had to work under. He certainly has been a very significant improvement over Jewell and Keane.
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| Why don't you think it..... on 09:32 - Jan 4 with 7332 views | Bloots |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:29 - Jan 4 by PhilTWTD |
I think there's little chance of MM being here next season, doesn't suit any party for him to stay really (other than if we're promoted). |
....would suit the owner?
Surely a manager that is prepared to work within the financial constraints and comfortably keep us in this league year after year is ideal for Evans at the moment.
He's hardly a risk taker is he? | |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:32 - Jan 4 with 7329 views | Bluefish |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 08:56 - Jan 4 by Steve_M |
If last Summer would have been a good time for a change then I think this one certainly will be, both MM and the club would probably benefit from a change. That said, if MM is here next season then it should be judged on it's own merits not on the basis of 14-15 or last season.
For what it's worth, I expect us to be in a similarly jaded position with the next manager after 18 months to two years. Under the owner's current strategy (such as it is) I can't see how we'll ever manage to compete better and more consistently across a season. |
That Is my point. I'm not actually fussed on whether Mick is here next season but I am worried on the precedent that we will be setting for expectations from the fans.
It is acceptable to want a change in the summer but it isn't acceptable for the constant hatred towards Mick because we lose some games and because we can't dominate this league. No one is going to come and in and match the expectation levels of some fans and we are left with a situation where the next chap will be booed within a year. This could get far more toxic because they demand the premier league and we are miles away from it in resources. |  |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:34 - Jan 4 with 7315 views | GlasgowBlue |
Time to say thank you very much for saving the club, giving us a couple of seasons of hope and belief but we are now looking to take the club in a new direction. [Post edited 4 Jan 2018 9:35]
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:36 - Jan 4 with 7302 views | Bluefish |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:34 - Jan 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Time to say thank you very much for saving the club, giving us a couple of seasons of hope and belief but we are now looking to take the club in a new direction. [Post edited 4 Jan 2018 9:35]
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A perfectly acceptable way to put it. Mick should leave with our thanks and be welcome back anytime. Madness for BFJ to be held in higher esteem [Post edited 4 Jan 2018 9:37]
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:37 - Jan 4 with 7284 views | DanTheMan |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:34 - Jan 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Time to say thank you very much for saving the club, giving us a couple of seasons of hope and belief but we are now looking to take the club in a new direction. [Post edited 4 Jan 2018 9:35]
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I don't think Evans is though, unfortunately.
I have very little hope that anyone we bring it will be able to perform miracles. |  |
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| Can only really reiterate..... on 09:44 - Jan 4 with 7252 views | BlueBadger |
| Can only really reiterate..... on 09:24 - Jan 4 by Steve_M |
Can you edit your list to include Megson at about number 78 please. |
Down arrow for ranking Megson that highly. |  |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:44 - Jan 4 with 7251 views | imsureazzure |
If MM gets offered and accepts a new deal then that would prove he is no longer ambitious and certainly not the right man for the job, how any manager or player, let alone supporter is happy to just bob along hoping for 6th place but expecting 12th, not entering the cups with any ambition is bizarre. |  | | |
| Why don't you think it..... on 09:44 - Jan 4 with 7254 views | PhilTWTD |
| Why don't you think it..... on 09:32 - Jan 4 by Bloots |
....would suit the owner?
Surely a manager that is prepared to work within the financial constraints and comfortably keep us in this league year after year is ideal for Evans at the moment.
He's hardly a risk taker is he? |
The enmity towards MM is clearly having an impact on attendances and therefore income and barring promotion that seems unlikely to change. I agree that we're unlikely to go down under MM but I'm sure ME realises a change is required to address that and just to freshen things up.
From MM's perspective, he'll walk into another job where he'll have more funds and a better chance of promotion I would have thought. He'll be 59 next month so probably his last chance of another job. | | | |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:46 - Jan 4 with 7238 views | Bluefish |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:44 - Jan 4 by imsureazzure |
If MM gets offered and accepts a new deal then that would prove he is no longer ambitious and certainly not the right man for the job, how any manager or player, let alone supporter is happy to just bob along hoping for 6th place but expecting 12th, not entering the cups with any ambition is bizarre. |
Yep every manager at every club should expect to win trophies and titles 
I think what you are saying is every club that isn't a top 4 side should just fold. Do you work for Sky? | |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:47 - Jan 4 with 7228 views | Lesta_Tractor |
I'm torn...
I like MM and think he's done a lot for the club, but my word the football is awful. |  |
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