| It's just utterly depressing watching us 10:05 - Feb 2 with 34853 views | itfcjoe |
I sat until the bitter end to see the players and management team leave the pitch, and PR is becoming a depressing place again - like it has been for a while.
I just can't workout how we can't get a team of talented footballers at this level playing above themselves and the sum of their parts.
It goes back to the rotation for me, of styles, shapes and personnel - we just don't look anything close to where we should be and it is no surprise the well organised teams at the top of this league make us look distinctly second best.
I was fairly positive and a bit bullish after we'd finally settled on something and seemed to be clicking, but it has come unstuck and hard to see it turning back round. We'll do enough to stay in the top 6, but no one will fear us in the play offs.
The club is in my blood, and is my life - I can't give up on it even if I wanted to, but it is so frustrating, seeing the mistakes being made and us continuously go down the wrong path.
Why can't Evans see this? What is he waiting for or doing here? |  |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:37 - Feb 2 with 3429 views | Herbivore |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:36 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
And there we have it. The manager that was top last weekend is utterly clueless. I'll leave it there. It's your logic that's flawed not mine. |
No, your logic is definitely flawed. A number of posters have pointed this out to you. |  |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:37 - Feb 2 with 3432 views | Ftnfwest |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:29 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
I wish he was more like Mick, we'd be pissing this league. |
He’s the total opposite. One knew how to get the best out of what he had at the expense of any style whatsoever and any relationship with the fans or real connection to the club itself. The others a PR man with no idea how to coach the team itself (actually the one thing in common is that he’s brought no style to the play either). |  | | |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:40 - Feb 2 with 3422 views | BrixtonBlue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:33 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
We signed Earl on loan this transfer window. |
Wow, forgot about him. Yeah you're right, we are just like Man City then! |  |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:41 - Feb 2 with 3416 views | BrixtonBlue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:35 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
How does it suit my argument? It was absolutely a stonewall pen. He went through the back of him. The ref was fairly useless so him not giving it initially isn't much of an indicator that it was a contentious decision. It wasn't remotely a dodgy pen, I think you need to watch it again. |
Were you at the game? I was right in front of it. | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:42 - Feb 2 with 3417 views | Pinewoodblue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:40 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
Wow, forgot about him. Yeah you're right, we are just like Man City then! |
Has anyone, apart from you, brought Man City into this thread? |  |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:43 - Feb 2 with 3410 views | BrixtonBlue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:42 - Feb 2 by Pinewoodblue |
Has anyone, apart from you, brought Man City into this thread? |
Erm, yes, because I didn't bring Man City into this thread! You need to read a bit more carefully! | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:45 - Feb 2 with 3404 views | Herbivore |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:41 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
Were you at the game? I was right in front of it. |
Yes, I was at the game. At the time I thought it was a pen and was amazed when it initially looked like we'd got away with it. Having watched it again it is an absolute stonewall penalty. Have another look and come back to me with why you think it was dodgy. | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:47 - Feb 2 with 3394 views | Swailsey |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:29 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
I think you want it to be stonewall because it adds to your argument. It clearly wasn't stonewall, otherwise the ref would've given it and the players wouldn't have gone quite so mental at the decision. Even the linesman dithered initially. |
It was 100% a penalty, clear as day. I was in front of it - his leg was kicked away.
Everyone around me thought it was. Even PL said it was.
People were unhappy that it took the ref. so long to make up his mind. |  |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:48 - Feb 2 with 3395 views | textbackup |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:22 - Feb 2 by Clapham_Junction |
The major thing we seem to lack (and have done for a long time) is strength. In particular, a brick sh1thouse of a centre back who will dominate opposition centre forwards and can cause problems at the other end during corners/free kicks.
How many years have we been playing long balls which are almost all headed away by the opposition's own sh1thouse? I remember a game at Millwall when Danny Shittu probably headed away 50 balls aimed at McGoldrick. He even made it into the Championship team of the week. Even at Tranmere their number 6 was able to win most aerial battles and headed in their goal from that free kick. |
don't mate, this has been a big thing for me for years!
I saw Murphy out in Pals, or Revs, whatever its called, after this game. said to him, must have a bit of a back ache after shittu jumped into it all game, his reply "what i'm suppose to do with him having a run on me on those high balls all game I don't know"
but it even goes back as far as david Johnson challenging for 500 headers in a game Vs Darren Moore when at WBA, not a single ounce of joy |  |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:52 - Feb 2 with 3380 views | Pinewoodblue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:43 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
Erm, yes, because I didn't bring Man City into this thread! You need to read a bit more carefully! |
The question was raised as to wether Guardiola was doing a better job than Wilding, who has been doing an excellent job at Sheffield Utd.
That hardly counts as bringing Man City into it. | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 14:04 - Feb 2 with 3350 views | levelneville |
I totally agree with this summing up...I said at half time PL would change it and take off Judge which proved to be correct, but watching this was painful....way out of it who knows... perhaps the players can take a note from the supporters as more passion from them than on the pitch i'm afraid. |  | | |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 14:12 - Feb 2 with 3317 views | Harry_Palmer |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:32 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
Why didn't the ref give it then? |
Because like most refs at this level, he was incompetent. |  | | |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 14:17 - Feb 2 with 3305 views | No9 |
The problem at ITFC must be very deep seated and needs a real dig into the past to see what is wrong.
The last manager to get a 40% win rate was Joe Royale (42.9%). Football is a game divsed to be won it is a serious problem that Town have failed to find a manger, since Joe R that can do that, not that 42.9 is wonderful but it is better than the others stuck in the 30's.
I return to what I have posted many times = Mr E needs to find a football man to guide him | | | |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 14:20 - Feb 2 with 3298 views | Dubtractor |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:32 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
Why didn't the ref give it then? |
Because he was a very rubbish ref. You may have noticed this? |  |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 14:39 - Feb 2 with 3271 views | pointofblue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:31 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
No way are we like the Man City of this division. That's just silly. We haven't spent a bean in the transfer window, not even on a loan. |
I'm not saying we are - my argument is that if you're simply using the league table as a guide to who the best manager is then Klopp is the best, then Guardiola, then Rodgers, Lampard, Wilder, Solskjaer etc. But considering the squad and resources the disposal is the league table the only evidence we can use to judge managers? | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 15:00 - Feb 2 with 3241 views | ArnieM |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 10:24 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
I think Lambert just needs to go, to be honest. He's clearly not a very good football manager. He's not done well anywhere in a very long time. |
But that’s not going to happen anytime soon is it. I know contracts aren’t worth the paper they’re written in but It would cost Evans something if he decided to tear it up. So can’t see he’d be sacking PL anytime soon. |  |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 15:23 - Feb 2 with 3221 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:14 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
You seem to have completely ignored the post you were replying to. Just 7 days ago Lambert was the best manager in the division, going on league placings. |
Surely the folly of just using the league table to say x manager is better than y is evidenced by the fact that using that logic, Lambert has in the space of a week gone from being the best manager in the division to the 4th best, and by next week could suddenly be anything from the 2nd to 7th best?
Not to mention that it completely fails to take into account resources available as others have pointed out, not to mention form and trajectory |  |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 15:25 - Feb 2 with 3215 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:24 - Feb 2 by agentp |
Then tell us all what he should do. I think for the most part we all agree in the pipe dream but the reality is football changed and Evans isn't wealthy enough. There isnt a string of buyers - he'd sell if there was.
Most of the decisions he has made have been applauded at the time, it's only when they go wrong folk point blame at him. Even the Lambert 5-years; I dislike Lambert BTW and would like to see him gone, but that decision was made months ago when we were well clear at the top and those mocking the deal now were creaming themselves back then and even suggesting we are walking the league and no one is capable of beating us. [Post edited 2 Feb 2020 12:27]
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What are you babbling on about, the Lambert contract extension was completed on New Years Day by which point we were 4th in the table, and on a run of 2 wins in 11 league games with the most recent result being a 5-3 defeat at Lincoln
Most people were dismayed at the news, with the only exceptions being those that were continuing to blindly defend Lambert during the run
For someone pretending to be a football agent on a forum you aren’t half clueless | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 15:27 - Feb 2 with 3209 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:40 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
Wow, forgot about him. Yeah you're right, we are just like Man City then! |
Ignoring the fact that no one has compared us to Man City, who did they sign in the transfer window then? | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 15:31 - Feb 2 with 3192 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:23 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
Yeah we also scored 3 in that game. Three. |
Seriously?
FFS | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 15:31 - Feb 2 with 3193 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Just wish ME would sack the bloke... he is utterly inept.
Hasn’t been a good manager for years, and has done nothing short of a terrible job here. He’s got no style no plan b... he is just another washed up has been in the Megson and Pulis mould. Should have gone and got Nathan Jones in January whilst he is available, had a bad time at stoke but he has a system and develops it, and our players imo are built for the diamond.
Sick of this whole crap. A useless owner and Pr merchant as manager. I’m sick of mediocrity and fans accepting it... there were fans at the end singing and clapping in section six.. happy flappers I say [Post edited 2 Feb 2020 15:32]
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 15:39 - Feb 2 with 3170 views | agentp |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 15:25 - Feb 2 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
What are you babbling on about, the Lambert contract extension was completed on New Years Day by which point we were 4th in the table, and on a run of 2 wins in 11 league games with the most recent result being a 5-3 defeat at Lincoln
Most people were dismayed at the news, with the only exceptions being those that were continuing to blindly defend Lambert during the run
For someone pretending to be a football agent on a forum you aren’t half clueless |
1) Where have I ever claimed to be a football agent? I am actually a security agent for VIP'S. I am also an ex lock. I played rugby in tier 2 - well 2 games in the top tier. I have an understanding as many of the younger lads I played with are currently in the premiership and we talk a lot. some of their agents do also represent footballers.
2) Lambert's contract was actually agreed in October, and no one was more dismayed than me.
3) where have I ever defended Lambert? I cant stand the bloke. [Post edited 2 Feb 2020 15:41]
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 15:40 - Feb 2 with 3166 views | peterleeblue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 10:57 - Feb 2 by Superfrans |
The bit that depresses me most is our utter inability to raise ourselves for big matches - promotion clashes, TV games, derbies. We have been flat for these types of games for more than a decade now, under various different managers. We always look as if we aren’t taking these games as seriously as our opponents, we just so rarely come out battling. I just don’t get it, |
Absoluetly this.
I felt this week would be massive and we needed to start
To start beating teams around us. We have FAILED massively.
Huge game next week. That in itself is a worry.
Sunderland lack a goalscorer but are well organised and play to a system. Something we don't do according to what i am reading here. |  | | |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 15:47 - Feb 2 with 3155 views | Chrisd |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:34 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
What on earth are you talking about? I posted, "we haven't been out of the top 6 all season and were 1st just last weekend." What isn't an actual fact there? |
More that you were focusing on my reply, ‘May time will show us.’ Yes, I recognise that as opinion it’s more the facts after it that was the point of my post. | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 15:54 - Feb 2 with 3140 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 15:39 - Feb 2 by agentp |
1) Where have I ever claimed to be a football agent? I am actually a security agent for VIP'S. I am also an ex lock. I played rugby in tier 2 - well 2 games in the top tier. I have an understanding as many of the younger lads I played with are currently in the premiership and we talk a lot. some of their agents do also represent footballers.
2) Lambert's contract was actually agreed in October, and no one was more dismayed than me.
3) where have I ever defended Lambert? I cant stand the bloke. [Post edited 2 Feb 2020 15:41]
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1) I can’t be a*sed to trawl back through to when you were claiming inside knowledge on our investment last season and insisting that we had actually spent more than we received due to agents fees, loan fees and sell ons (as non-agents wouldn’t understand these things apparently). Funny that the accounts suggested the opposite isn’t it?
2) No, it was 1 January. https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2020/january/lambert-signs-new-contract-at-ipswich/
3) I didn’t say you did, read it again | |
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