| It's just utterly depressing watching us 10:05 - Feb 2 with 42894 views | itfcjoe |
I sat until the bitter end to see the players and management team leave the pitch, and PR is becoming a depressing place again - like it has been for a while.
I just can't workout how we can't get a team of talented footballers at this level playing above themselves and the sum of their parts.
It goes back to the rotation for me, of styles, shapes and personnel - we just don't look anything close to where we should be and it is no surprise the well organised teams at the top of this league make us look distinctly second best.
I was fairly positive and a bit bullish after we'd finally settled on something and seemed to be clicking, but it has come unstuck and hard to see it turning back round. We'll do enough to stay in the top 6, but no one will fear us in the play offs.
The club is in my blood, and is my life - I can't give up on it even if I wanted to, but it is so frustrating, seeing the mistakes being made and us continuously go down the wrong path.
Why can't Evans see this? What is he waiting for or doing here? |  |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:57 - Feb 2 with 6015 views | Harry_Palmer |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:53 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
Only one team has absolutely destroyed us, and a lot of that was down to a dodgy pen and a calamitous keeper error putting us 2-0 down. |
Dodgy pen? That was as clear a pen as you will ever see. |  | | |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:57 - Feb 2 with 6014 views | hype313 |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:53 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
Only one team has absolutely destroyed us, and a lot of that was down to a dodgy pen and a calamitous keeper error putting us 2-0 down. |
I love your optimism, and we certainly do need some, I'll reserve judgement after Sunderland. |  |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:59 - Feb 2 with 6001 views | BrixtonBlue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:39 - Feb 2 by pointofblue |
Who would you say is doing better as a manager at the moment - Guardiola or Wilder? Using the league as a yardstick Guardiola is clearly the better but taking into accounts the squad depth and resources surely Wilder should be considered as he’s getting the side to play above and beyond expectations? |
I hardly think the comparison fits with our situation. |  |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:00 - Feb 2 with 5985 views | Herbivore |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:59 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
I hardly think the comparison fits with our situation. |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:00 - Feb 2 with 5991 views | pointofblue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:59 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
I hardly think the comparison fits with our situation. |
How come? You seem to be using the league table to dictate the quality of the manager without taking to account the resources and squad at their disposal? |  |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:03 - Feb 2 with 5978 views | Swansea_Blue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:53 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
Only one team has absolutely destroyed us, and a lot of that was down to a dodgy pen and a calamitous keeper error putting us 2-0 down. |
Two have destroyed us in the last 5 days |  |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:06 - Feb 2 with 5963 views | BrixtonBlue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:43 - Feb 2 by jimsymBLUE |
So Frank Lampard's a better manager than Chris Wilder due to Chelsea being higher in the table than Sheffield Utd. Lambert has more more tools at his disposal than the vast majority of teams around us but can't muster a decent result against them, currently being out managed by his peers. |
I wasn't just talking about random league placings. I'm talking about the team that was top. If you want to compare with the Prem then compare with Klopp. He's top and I think you'd find it hard to say there's a better manager than him.
I'm not saying it's flawless logic but it's a decent indication of a decent manager. To be top of your league suggests you do know what you're doing. Reading this board today you'd think Lambert was utterly clueless. | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:09 - Feb 2 with 5949 views | Herbivore |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:06 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
I wasn't just talking about random league placings. I'm talking about the team that was top. If you want to compare with the Prem then compare with Klopp. He's top and I think you'd find it hard to say there's a better manager than him.
I'm not saying it's flawless logic but it's a decent indication of a decent manager. To be top of your league suggests you do know what you're doing. Reading this board today you'd think Lambert was utterly clueless. |
He is utterly clueless. | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:11 - Feb 2 with 5950 views | Garv |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:36 - Feb 2 by pointofblue |
I can’t blame Evans for Hurst’s appointment. It seemed perfectly logical and he had a record of doing excellently on a budget elsewhere.
I think the players, particularly those from Mick’s time, should take a fair proportion of blame for what happened under Hurst. They got a rocket up them and instead of knuckling down they fell to pieces. |
Agreed. Surprised more people don't subscribe to this view.
With a massive change like going from Mick to Hurst, it needed players to 'buy into it'. I guess we'll never know how hard they tried, and maybe Hurst and Doig were pricks, but you're right in saying players played their part. [Post edited 2 Feb 2020 14:09]
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:15 - Feb 2 with 5937 views | Ftnfwest |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:36 - Feb 2 by pointofblue |
I can’t blame Evans for Hurst’s appointment. It seemed perfectly logical and he had a record of doing excellently on a budget elsewhere.
I think the players, particularly those from Mick’s time, should take a fair proportion of blame for what happened under Hurst. They got a rocket up them and instead of knuckling down they fell to pieces. |
I think that’s fair enough as well. It’s just that I have never subscribed to heavily in the popular belief that if Marcus just threw loads of money at the problem (which he can’t really anyway) it would solve it. It’s more that he hasn’t got a modern structured set up at the club which as elsewhere would mean he wouldn’t have to get directly involved in managerial appointments because he’d have a footballing person in place doing that for him. The best he’s managed is suits like Milne who are nice chaps and probably good at what they do, but that’s nothing to do with the on field side of things. |  | | |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:18 - Feb 2 with 5933 views | Herbivore |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:11 - Feb 2 by Garv |
Agreed. Surprised more people don't subscribe to this view.
With a massive change like going from Mick to Hurst, it needed players to 'buy into it'. I guess we'll never know how hard they tried, and maybe Hurst and Doig were pricks, but you're right in saying players played their part. [Post edited 2 Feb 2020 14:09]
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I think the players were surprised by going from having a highly competent management team to having a useless one. Tough adjustment for anyone that. | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:19 - Feb 2 with 5933 views | agentp |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:11 - Feb 2 by Garv |
Agreed. Surprised more people don't subscribe to this view.
With a massive change like going from Mick to Hurst, it needed players to 'buy into it'. I guess we'll never know how hard they tried, and maybe Hurst and Doig were pricks, but you're right in saying players played their part. [Post edited 2 Feb 2020 14:09]
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It seems fairly clear that Hurst and Doig were pr1cks. I'm not sure you can blame the players as such. Man-management is the fundamental skill of being a manager if he doesn't manage he isn't a manager | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:22 - Feb 2 with 5924 views | Clapham_Junction |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 10:47 - Feb 2 by textbackup |
have we got too many luxury players, and not enough grafters/brave men to stick heads in where it hurts?
if I had to pick 5 players from that team to say they are 100% committed to the cause here I could pick 3 - wolf, downes, norwood (when actually on the pitch) |
The major thing we seem to lack (and have done for a long time) is strength. In particular, a brick sh1thouse of a centre back who will dominate opposition centre forwards and can cause problems at the other end during corners/free kicks.
How many years have we been playing long balls which are almost all headed away by the opposition's own sh1thouse? I remember a game at Millwall when Danny Shittu probably headed away 50 balls aimed at McGoldrick. He even made it into the Championship team of the week. Even at Tranmere their number 6 was able to win most aerial battles and headed in their goal from that free kick. |  | | |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:23 - Feb 2 with 5927 views | hype313 |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:18 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
I think the players were surprised by going from having a highly competent management team to having a useless one. Tough adjustment for anyone that. |
Agreed, but the caveat being that they were all complacent and settled, in an environment that didn't push them living a nice life, the downward spiral certainly showed this.
I've no doubt that Hurst and especially Doig were ar53holes but they could clearly see there was a sense of of apathy and complenceny around the club, obviously the way the went about it was not the right formula, which is why I see Lambert as a bit of a mix between Hurst and Mick, neither of which are ideal... | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:23 - Feb 2 with 5920 views | BrixtonBlue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:55 - Feb 2 by pointofblue |
We conceded five at Lincoln. Five. |
Yeah we also scored 3 in that game. Three. | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:25 - Feb 2 with 5912 views | Coco |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:09 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
He is utterly clueless. |
It is actually incredible how clueless he appears to be |  |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:29 - Feb 2 with 5902 views | BrixtonBlue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:55 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
I thought the pen was stonewall to be honest. I was stunned when the ref didn't initially give it. And Rotherham have absolutely battered us twice, even if the scoreline didn't fully reflect that. [Post edited 2 Feb 2020 12:56]
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I think you want it to be stonewall because it adds to your argument. It clearly wasn't stonewall, otherwise the ref would've given it and the players wouldn't have gone quite so mental at the decision. Even the linesman dithered initially. | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:29 - Feb 2 with 5896 views | Herbivore |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:23 - Feb 2 by hype313 |
Agreed, but the caveat being that they were all complacent and settled, in an environment that didn't push them living a nice life, the downward spiral certainly showed this.
I've no doubt that Hurst and especially Doig were ar53holes but they could clearly see there was a sense of of apathy and complenceny around the club, obviously the way the went about it was not the right formula, which is why I see Lambert as a bit of a mix between Hurst and Mick, neither of which are ideal... |
I wish he was more like Mick, we'd be pissing this league. | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:30 - Feb 2 with 5898 views | BackToRussia |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:25 - Feb 2 by Coco |
It is actually incredible how clueless he appears to be |
He also doesn't appear to give much of a sh1t. Sure, he sulks and gees the crowd up when we've won, but that's the sort of engagement you'd expect from a teenage boy, not a grown man. |  |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:31 - Feb 2 with 5895 views | BrixtonBlue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:00 - Feb 2 by pointofblue |
How come? You seem to be using the league table to dictate the quality of the manager without taking to account the resources and squad at their disposal? |
No way are we like the Man City of this division. That's just silly. We haven't spent a bean in the transfer window, not even on a loan. | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:32 - Feb 2 with 5889 views | BrixtonBlue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:57 - Feb 2 by Harry_Palmer |
Dodgy pen? That was as clear a pen as you will ever see. |
Why didn't the ref give it then? | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:33 - Feb 2 with 5881 views | Herbivore |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:31 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
No way are we like the Man City of this division. That's just silly. We haven't spent a bean in the transfer window, not even on a loan. |
We signed Earl on loan this transfer window. | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:34 - Feb 2 with 5880 views | BrixtonBlue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 12:55 - Feb 2 by Chrisd |
I like how you seem to ignore the actual facts posted and then focus on what isn't the fact. How strange? |
What on earth are you talking about? I posted, "we haven't been out of the top 6 all season and were 1st just last weekend." What isn't an actual fact there? | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:35 - Feb 2 with 5879 views | Herbivore |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:29 - Feb 2 by BrixtonBlue |
I think you want it to be stonewall because it adds to your argument. It clearly wasn't stonewall, otherwise the ref would've given it and the players wouldn't have gone quite so mental at the decision. Even the linesman dithered initially. |
How does it suit my argument? It was absolutely a stonewall pen. He went through the back of him. The ref was fairly useless so him not giving it initially isn't much of an indicator that it was a contentious decision. It wasn't remotely a dodgy pen, I think you need to watch it again. | |
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| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:36 - Feb 2 with 5870 views | BrixtonBlue |
| It's just utterly depressing watching us on 13:09 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
He is utterly clueless. |
And there we have it. The manager that was top last weekend is utterly clueless. I'll leave it there. It's your logic that's flawed not mine. | |
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