| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan 08:48 - Aug 28 with 22495 views | itfcjoe |
Turned up for the team photo yesterday, told that they aren't in it.
Then subsequently told that they won't be taking part in the Cambridge friendly on Saturday and will be playing for the U23s tonight against Norwich instead.
Tough love? Or just an indication that they aren't going to be involved very much and we'll be going with same senior players again.
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| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 09:58 - Aug 28 with 3311 views | clive_baker |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 09:45 - Aug 28 by Herbivore |
The Lambert situation really highlights it doesn't it? He announces a new 5 year deal for him when we've just gone 2 months without winning a game. Our decline continues and he decides against sacking him. It's pretty clear from what people with some insider knowledge are saying that Lambert's man management is shocking, we've seen plenty to suggest he's no tactician either. We're going into the new season with a dead man walking as manager and a talented squad that looks set to underperform once again.
By the time we get rid the new manager will have too much to do to take us up and the salary cap will start to hit and we'll lose the competitive edge we have with our current squad. Everyone else can see this playing out like a slowmotion car crash, why can't ME see it? |
Quite right.
This season is vital for us, and we've got such a disaster at the helm. I hope Evans doesn't delay with his decision, he should be doing the ground work now with regards to a replacement and act after 4 or 5 games maximum if it's not looking right. If we don't go up this season we'll inevitably have to lose Woolfenden and Downes at knock down prices. No doubt Bishop, Jackson and Huws are on decent money, with their contracts up, so we'll have decisions to make on them with regards to triggering the extension or letting them leave.
The opportunity cost to ME is massive. Promotion or not is possibly the difference between getting £2m or £7m just for Downes for example |  |
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| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 10:01 - Aug 28 with 3299 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I’m usually one of the first to criticise Lambert (in fact I’m still maintaining that I was the first!) but there could be a logical explanation - eg. whoever was choreographing the photo on the day decided that only x players were required and so some had to be left out
The concerning bit though is the identity of those players and what it says of Lambert’s current thinking - the same senior players it will be indeed |  |
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| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 10:02 - Aug 28 with 3287 views | IpswichKnight |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 09:58 - Aug 28 by clive_baker |
Quite right.
This season is vital for us, and we've got such a disaster at the helm. I hope Evans doesn't delay with his decision, he should be doing the ground work now with regards to a replacement and act after 4 or 5 games maximum if it's not looking right. If we don't go up this season we'll inevitably have to lose Woolfenden and Downes at knock down prices. No doubt Bishop, Jackson and Huws are on decent money, with their contracts up, so we'll have decisions to make on them with regards to triggering the extension or letting them leave.
The opportunity cost to ME is massive. Promotion or not is possibly the difference between getting £2m or £7m just for Downes for example |
One thing ME does do is make sure he has a back up plan for manager, Somone was saying we had talked to Warnock while the PL contract negotiations were taking place. Problem is often the person he does turn to is often a total chancer with no actual talent, Jewell, Hurst and Lambert. |  | | |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 10:03 - Aug 28 with 3286 views | portmanking |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 09:54 - Aug 28 by IpswichKnight |
No one apart from utter chances are looking to buy a football club now. For his many many many faults we still have a football club and he could easily have sold up to the likes of the chancers who brought, Wigan, Bury, Bolton and Charlton. We all want him to sell the club but to someone who isn't going to ruin it and leave us playing below Felixstowe and Walton. |
And where in my previous post did I say that I'd like him to pass the club on to Steve Dale? | | | |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 10:03 - Aug 28 with 3274 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 10:01 - Aug 28 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I’m usually one of the first to criticise Lambert (in fact I’m still maintaining that I was the first!) but there could be a logical explanation - eg. whoever was choreographing the photo on the day decided that only x players were required and so some had to be left out
The concerning bit though is the identity of those players and what it says of Lambert’s current thinking - the same senior players it will be indeed |
Live on Sky as well. |  |
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| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 10:05 - Aug 28 with 3267 views | Herbivore |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 09:49 - Aug 28 by clive_baker |
I'm probably in the minority with this one but purely from a footballing perspective I can't disagree too much with the decision. Ndaba is raw, very raw. He's never done it in a previous loan spell and having a decent 45 minutes in a pre season friendly is worlds away from the rigours of L1. He's 5th choice, and a loan spell where he'll get 30 games is what he needs. The same can be said for Drinan. El-Miz and Dobra in an ideal world also would be allowed a full season out on loan, although we're not in an ideal world and they've probably got something to offer here this season. I would let one go and keep one on the bench.
The real issue for me is how Lambert goes about it. His man management is woeful, and this is just another example and indication as to why he can't get a tune out of a squad of players that should be more than competitive at this level, not shipping 5 at Lincoln and finishing mid table. He clearly isn't cut out for this job and right now he is the single biggest issue we need to fix / replace. [Post edited 28 Aug 2020 9:53]
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Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan to some extent you think fair enough. All of them were miles from the first team last year. That said, he should still have had a word and explained his decision and not let them turn up and then send them home.
Dobra and El Miz for me should both be knocking on the door of the first team squad this season as they also were last season. El Miz has looked bright in preseason and was doing well on loan at Cambridge pre-injury. He clearly has something about him. Dobra looks to have a lot of talent and offers something pretty much nobody else in our squad does with his willingness to run at players and his quick passing and movement. He's not ready to play every week but he should be a good option off the bench at least. To snub these two is total farcical. [Post edited 28 Aug 2020 10:24]
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| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 10:10 - Aug 28 with 3238 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 10:05 - Aug 28 by Herbivore |
Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan to some extent you think fair enough. All of them were miles from the first team last year. That said, he should still have had a word and explained his decision and not let them turn up and then send them home.
Dobra and El Miz for me should both be knocking on the door of the first team squad this season as they also were last season. El Miz has looked bright in preseason and was doing well on loan at Cambridge pre-injury. He clearly has something about him. Dobra looks to have a lot of talent and offers something pretty much nobody else in our squad does with his willingness to run at players and his quick passing and movement. He's not ready to play every week but he should be a good option off the bench at least. To snub these two is total farcical. [Post edited 28 Aug 2020 10:24]
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Well, of the 5, El Miz and Dobra have been given squad numbers, so that’s something. |  | | |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 10:18 - Aug 28 with 3209 views | JDB23 |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 09:58 - Aug 28 by clive_baker |
Quite right.
This season is vital for us, and we've got such a disaster at the helm. I hope Evans doesn't delay with his decision, he should be doing the ground work now with regards to a replacement and act after 4 or 5 games maximum if it's not looking right. If we don't go up this season we'll inevitably have to lose Woolfenden and Downes at knock down prices. No doubt Bishop, Jackson and Huws are on decent money, with their contracts up, so we'll have decisions to make on them with regards to triggering the extension or letting them leave.
The opportunity cost to ME is massive. Promotion or not is possibly the difference between getting £2m or £7m just for Downes for example |
Paul Lambert, you'll always be scum. | | | |
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| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 10:26 - Aug 28 with 3183 views | ElderGrizzly |
Yet we were turning down multiple bids for Dobra from Brighton and convinced him to sign a 3 year deal.
This looks woeful man management? What happened to the Sir Bobby arm round the shoulder? What happened to the youth part of the 5 point plan?
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| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 10:35 - Aug 28 with 3152 views | BryanPlug |
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| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 10:41 - Aug 28 with 3133 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 09:38 - Aug 28 by Dubtractor |
I know this isn't an original thought, but Marcus Evans has been a catastrophe for this club. That he still gets defended by some on here bemuses me. |
Evans reign is essentially a burst sewer line that has seen 20,000 peoples dreams, possessions and hopes covered in faeces for the last few years at least and it continues to spew out at a faster rate as the main man managing the project is clearly out of his depth.
But we are essentially all licking it off our lips and praising the authorities in charge of the pipes that they at least weren't filled with something much worse than would have killed us off completely, like other sewer lines that burst in Bolton or Coventry or Wigan. [Post edited 28 Aug 2020 10:47]
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| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 10:45 - Aug 28 with 3116 views | ITFC_96 |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 10:35 - Aug 28 by BryanPlug |
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It feels like it's out of spite most of the time. Do you really think Dobra wanted to re-sign because he believes in Paul Lambert? No, probably just to keep the club happy in the hope that he'll actually get played. Basically a hostage situation on his contract as they had the 1 year extension and would have relegated him to the U18s to be forgotten about. | | | |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 10:48 - Aug 28 with 3105 views | BiGDonnie |
I hope this is not true. What a B*end if it is.
Tough love is fine if you're respected and successful, not if your a sh*t manager who doesn't know his ar*e from his elbow.
What a joke. Roy Keane mk2 |  |
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| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 11:01 - Aug 28 with 3047 views | Terry_Nutkins |
Don't like the sound of this. This will need a clear explanation.
I have just seen the normal squad photo wasn't done and it's a formation spelling out NHS. I suppose if the pattern and set numbers were set to spell it out that Lambert may have had to make a decision on who to leave out on the day...
Still don't like it. | |
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| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 11:02 - Aug 28 with 3046 views | catch74 |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 09:37 - Aug 28 by DanTheMan |
I'm so glad we gave him a nice long contract and kept him around after relegating us then seeing us to mid table in League One.
Maybe he actually has to murder one of our own players so we can get rid of him? |
There’s a few we could sacrifice. |  |
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| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 11:07 - Aug 28 with 3055 views | PhilTWTD |
Not quite what happened, they were told at the training ground rather than turning up to Portman Road and they're playing tonight but some or all of them are travelling tomorrow as well.
Think it's a motivational thing, 'You're not there yet lads', that sort of thing. Whether that's the correct approach is up for debate, of course.
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| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 11:11 - Aug 28 with 3006 views | hadleighboyblue |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 11:01 - Aug 28 by Terry_Nutkins |
Don't like the sound of this. This will need a clear explanation.
I have just seen the normal squad photo wasn't done and it's a formation spelling out NHS. I suppose if the pattern and set numbers were set to spell it out that Lambert may have had to make a decision on who to leave out on the day...
Still don't like it. |
Whatever the reason , this is clearly disastrous man management .
We need to be building a squad of togetherness and these young players should be made to feel included .
The 1st 3 have done enough to be thought of as part of the 1st team squad and hopefully be getting opportunities this season .
This is man motivation at it's worst , the manager is not the one to take this club forward , he should have gone months ago so we could start afresh | | | |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 11:13 - Aug 28 with 2996 views | Plums |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 11:07 - Aug 28 by PhilTWTD |
Not quite what happened, they were told at the training ground rather than turning up to Portman Road and they're playing tonight but some or all of them are travelling tomorrow as well.
Think it's a motivational thing, 'You're not there yet lads', that sort of thing. Whether that's the correct approach is up for debate, of course.
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That won’t play well with the youth of today. It’s old fashioned sergeant major guff that’s past its sell by date. Runs the risk of losing good players because they don’t channel their disappointment in the ‘right way’. Disappointing from a club supposedly looking to the youngsters. |  |
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| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 11:18 - Aug 28 with 2976 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 11:07 - Aug 28 by PhilTWTD |
Not quite what happened, they were told at the training ground rather than turning up to Portman Road and they're playing tonight but some or all of them are travelling tomorrow as well.
Think it's a motivational thing, 'You're not there yet lads', that sort of thing. Whether that's the correct approach is up for debate, of course.
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The first bit makes it a bit less bad for sure and obviously getting some more mins tonight is good if not being left out Sat.
Just looking at the pic it does look like it's carefully choreographed so could well have been a factor. I actually think this is only an issue with Dobs and El Mizouni who I think having earnt squad numbers they should be there. The other 3 it makes sense. They aren't quite there yet. | |
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| When you say it's up for debate..... on 11:28 - Aug 28 with 2947 views | Bloots |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 11:07 - Aug 28 by PhilTWTD |
Not quite what happened, they were told at the training ground rather than turning up to Portman Road and they're playing tonight but some or all of them are travelling tomorrow as well.
Think it's a motivational thing, 'You're not there yet lads', that sort of thing. Whether that's the correct approach is up for debate, of course.
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....you mean that Lambert thinks it's the right way to do things and everyone else doesn't.
The only thing up for debate is whether he should be sacked now or once we are firmly in mid table. |  |
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| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 11:37 - Aug 28 with 2920 views | JDAndCoke |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 09:34 - Aug 28 by Dubtractor |
Yeah, Joe is a renowned bullsh1t merchant on here isn't he...... |
Didn't say anything of the sort. I'm not doubting the facts. Just saying that nobody knows the reasons behind the facts |  | | |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 11:47 - Aug 28 with 2884 views | patrickswell |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 11:07 - Aug 28 by PhilTWTD |
Not quite what happened, they were told at the training ground rather than turning up to Portman Road and they're playing tonight but some or all of them are travelling tomorrow as well.
Think it's a motivational thing, 'You're not there yet lads', that sort of thing. Whether that's the correct approach is up for debate, of course.
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Paul Hurst did a similar thing with Morris and Folami in 2018/19 and his rationale was that it was to keep them hungry and stop them (and others) thinking that they had already "made it". This should be viewed in the context of the fact that Hurst seemed to regard everyone in the squad with utter contempt, pretty much from his first week at the club. Why bother building relationships when you can just say, "I'm the boss and I don't like your face."
Lambert does at least have two years acquaintance with these players, but I agree with those who feel that the optics of things like this, especially given the fact that working with young players is the path our owner has indicated that he wants to see, look pretty poor. |  | | |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 11:50 - Aug 28 with 2881 views | PhilTWTD |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 11:47 - Aug 28 by patrickswell |
Paul Hurst did a similar thing with Morris and Folami in 2018/19 and his rationale was that it was to keep them hungry and stop them (and others) thinking that they had already "made it". This should be viewed in the context of the fact that Hurst seemed to regard everyone in the squad with utter contempt, pretty much from his first week at the club. Why bother building relationships when you can just say, "I'm the boss and I don't like your face."
Lambert does at least have two years acquaintance with these players, but I agree with those who feel that the optics of things like this, especially given the fact that working with young players is the path our owner has indicated that he wants to see, look pretty poor. |
Agree, similar thinking, I think. Same with the comments re Woolfy the other day and not giving younger players squad numbers. | | | |
| thanks Phil.... on 11:55 - Aug 28 with 2860 views | unstableblue |
| Dobra, El Mizouni, Ndaba, McGavin and Drinan on 11:07 - Aug 28 by PhilTWTD |
Not quite what happened, they were told at the training ground rather than turning up to Portman Road and they're playing tonight but some or all of them are travelling tomorrow as well.
Think it's a motivational thing, 'You're not there yet lads', that sort of thing. Whether that's the correct approach is up for debate, of course.
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That story needed some context from the EADT positioning...
I think in general Lamberts is a OK to good man manager (Hurst being terrible, Mick good)
To suggest he wouldn’t have had very clear messaging to the players on being left out of the photo call and it was last minute.com is scaremongering
Surely there is an element of sheer numbers of the squad as well..?
McGavin was surely not going to make it this season, and Ndaba did not progress last.
Great to hear they will travel tomorrow.
Would have liked El Mizouni in the team photo as I think he has a real chance, and Dobra pace key.
But how many senior, ‘proven’ midfielders do we have? And if he’s sticking to a plan, maybe less chance for the youngsters?
Let’s judge Lambert after we’ve got some games under our belts |  |
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| thanks Phil.... on 11:57 - Aug 28 with 2845 views | Herbivore |
| thanks Phil.... on 11:55 - Aug 28 by unstableblue |
That story needed some context from the EADT positioning...
I think in general Lamberts is a OK to good man manager (Hurst being terrible, Mick good)
To suggest he wouldn’t have had very clear messaging to the players on being left out of the photo call and it was last minute.com is scaremongering
Surely there is an element of sheer numbers of the squad as well..?
McGavin was surely not going to make it this season, and Ndaba did not progress last.
Great to hear they will travel tomorrow.
Would have liked El Mizouni in the team photo as I think he has a real chance, and Dobra pace key.
But how many senior, ‘proven’ midfielders do we have? And if he’s sticking to a plan, maybe less chance for the youngsters?
Let’s judge Lambert after we’ve got some games under our belts |
We've had 70+ games under Lambert to judge him on, mate. The judgement is not a positive one. | |
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