| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement 09:31 - Sep 16 with 63497 views | Barneycurley |
and not be considered a racist? |  |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 15:55 - Sep 17 with 3507 views | Herbivore |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 15:48 - Sep 17 by Swansea_Blue |
That's quite a few hot takes. |
It's full on meltdown territory. And to think he had the temerity to lecture Spruce on reality a little while ago. |  |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 15:58 - Sep 17 with 3500 views | brazil1982 |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 15:47 - Sep 17 by StokieBlue |
You sure about that? A quick google would show that doesn't seem to be the case so can you provide a source?
It seems to be highlighting exactly what I said in that the slogan does a poor job of conveying the message and people thus don't look into the actual policy aims.
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On their Go Fund Me page, under "how we'll spend the funds!"
Developing and delivering training, police monitoring and strategies for the abolition of police. |  | | |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:03 - Sep 17 with 3480 views | Herbivore |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 15:58 - Sep 17 by brazil1982 |
On their Go Fund Me page, under "how we'll spend the funds!"
Developing and delivering training, police monitoring and strategies for the abolition of police. |
I'm sure we'd all love to get to a point where we no longer need a police force. It'd be lovely. It might not be a realistic aim but using that one small part of a much larger manifesto against them seems rather churlish and looks rather like desperately trying to find a reason to justify not supporting them. | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:04 - Sep 17 with 3475 views | SpruceMoose |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 15:58 - Sep 17 by brazil1982 |
On their Go Fund Me page, under "how we'll spend the funds!"
Developing and delivering training, police monitoring and strategies for the abolition of police. |
So they want to spend a portion of the money raised to develop strategies where they investigate how and if policing as we know it in its current form could be abolished?
Isn't that a little more nuanced than 'have no policing'? |  |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:05 - Sep 17 with 3468 views | Ryorry |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 15:48 - Sep 17 by Swansea_Blue |
That's quite a few hot takes. |
Gotta hand it to the OP, if this forum really is a cross-section of society, his decent enough opening question has certainly exposed in microcosm two wide apart ends of the spectrum. |  |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:08 - Sep 17 with 3452 views | SpruceMoose |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:05 - Sep 17 by Ryorry |
Gotta hand it to the OP, if this forum really is a cross-section of society, his decent enough opening question has certainly exposed in microcosm two wide apart ends of the spectrum. |
Out of interest, which posters are you placing at the opposite end of the spectrum from Rokerite?! They're way out there on a scale all of their own! | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:10 - Sep 17 with 3443 views | Ryorry |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:08 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose |
Out of interest, which posters are you placing at the opposite end of the spectrum from Rokerite?! They're way out there on a scale all of their own! |
I didn't say they were placed equally apart from the centre! but obviously, those wishing to overthrow capitalism are pretty far along in t'other direction from him. | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:11 - Sep 17 with 3430 views | Half_Idiot |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 15:58 - Sep 17 by brazil1982 |
On their Go Fund Me page, under "how we'll spend the funds!"
Developing and delivering training, police monitoring and strategies for the abolition of police. |
So you're just going to ignore all but the last three words of the sentence? | | | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:15 - Sep 17 with 3409 views | SpruceMoose |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:11 - Sep 17 by Half_Idiot |
So you're just going to ignore all but the last three words of the sentence? |
I often find that when I wish to distort the aims of an organisation and get a good dose of smearage in for good measure, I'll just exaggerate a tiny aspect of what they're about and use that out of context to push my aims. It's especially effective if you ignore 99% of all the other information available about an organisation's goals! | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:16 - Sep 17 with 3407 views | ROKERITE |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:11 - Sep 17 by Half_Idiot |
So you're just going to ignore all but the last three words of the sentence? |
They are the crucial three words of the sentence and prove his point. | | | |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:19 - Sep 17 with 3386 views | Herbivore |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:16 - Sep 17 by ROKERITE |
They are the crucial three words of the sentence and prove his point. |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:19 - Sep 17 with 3390 views | Half_Idiot |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:16 - Sep 17 by ROKERITE |
They are the crucial three words of the sentence and prove his point. |
If you're an alarmist maybe | | | |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:22 - Sep 17 with 3368 views | SpruceMoose |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:16 - Sep 17 by ROKERITE |
They are the crucial three words of the sentence and prove his point. |
Lol ok pal. I'm still waiting on you for that list of great things Trump has done for Black people - achievements far beyond what most other presidents have done! I guess poorly handling Covid and killing a large number of them doesn't count?
I don't think he's ever been accused of sexualy assaulting a Black woman (although who can keep up with all those accusations!) so at least he has that going for him. | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:23 - Sep 17 with 3364 views | DecageBruce |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:15 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose |
I often find that when I wish to distort the aims of an organisation and get a good dose of smearage in for good measure, I'll just exaggerate a tiny aspect of what they're about and use that out of context to push my aims. It's especially effective if you ignore 99% of all the other information available about an organisation's goals! |
Tbf there are posters on this board and very thread that do that to others posters.
Maybe not exaggerate exactly. Certainly continue to revisit the same small aspects whether relevant/valid or not whilst stating they must be valid as they had been said elsewhere.
It just detracts from any form of debate with others as the focus switches to a tit for tat full of personal attacks: nothing can develop from that and all threads end up being very similar |  | | |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:39 - Sep 17 with 3312 views | ROKERITE |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:22 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose |
Lol ok pal. I'm still waiting on you for that list of great things Trump has done for Black people - achievements far beyond what most other presidents have done! I guess poorly handling Covid and killing a large number of them doesn't count?
I don't think he's ever been accused of sexualy assaulting a Black woman (although who can keep up with all those accusations!) so at least he has that going for him. |
Well there's the record levels of black employment and record low levels of black unemployment before the virus lock-down. The overall black/white employment gap hit an all time low under Trump before the lock-down.
There's Trump's bills to reform criminal justice and eliminate the disparities in sentencing that adversely affected black Americans. Many black Americans are now free who'd still have been incarcerated but for Trump.
He signed a $360,000,000 grant to support Historically Black Colleges and Universities, more than any previous President including Obama.
They do for starters. | | | |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:46 - Sep 17 with 3291 views | noggin |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:39 - Sep 17 by ROKERITE |
Well there's the record levels of black employment and record low levels of black unemployment before the virus lock-down. The overall black/white employment gap hit an all time low under Trump before the lock-down.
There's Trump's bills to reform criminal justice and eliminate the disparities in sentencing that adversely affected black Americans. Many black Americans are now free who'd still have been incarcerated but for Trump.
He signed a $360,000,000 grant to support Historically Black Colleges and Universities, more than any previous President including Obama.
They do for starters. |
Define 'employed' and 'unemployed' for a start. |  |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:47 - Sep 17 with 3294 views | ROKERITE |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:46 - Sep 17 by noggin |
Define 'employed' and 'unemployed' for a start. |
Buy a dictionary! | | | |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:49 - Sep 17 with 3282 views | SpruceMoose |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:47 - Sep 17 by ROKERITE |
Buy a dictionary! |
Arf! One post and your lies have been dismantled already! 😂 [Post edited 17 Sep 2020 16:49]
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:49 - Sep 17 with 3280 views | noggin |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:47 - Sep 17 by ROKERITE |
Buy a dictionary! |
I'll take that as "I don't know". | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:50 - Sep 17 with 3274 views | SpruceMoose |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:49 - Sep 17 by noggin |
I'll take that as "I don't know". |
Oh he knows. He was just hoping to get away with lying. | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:54 - Sep 17 with 3257 views | Herbivore |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:39 - Sep 17 by ROKERITE |
Well there's the record levels of black employment and record low levels of black unemployment before the virus lock-down. The overall black/white employment gap hit an all time low under Trump before the lock-down.
There's Trump's bills to reform criminal justice and eliminate the disparities in sentencing that adversely affected black Americans. Many black Americans are now free who'd still have been incarcerated but for Trump.
He signed a $360,000,000 grant to support Historically Black Colleges and Universities, more than any previous President including Obama.
They do for starters. |
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/us/politics/trump-black-african-americans-fac | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:56 - Sep 17 with 3250 views | jeera |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 16:39 - Sep 17 by ROKERITE |
Well there's the record levels of black employment and record low levels of black unemployment before the virus lock-down. The overall black/white employment gap hit an all time low under Trump before the lock-down.
There's Trump's bills to reform criminal justice and eliminate the disparities in sentencing that adversely affected black Americans. Many black Americans are now free who'd still have been incarcerated but for Trump.
He signed a $360,000,000 grant to support Historically Black Colleges and Universities, more than any previous President including Obama.
They do for starters. |
"Well there's the record levels of black employment and record low levels of black unemployment before the virus lock-down."
You've just copied that without bothering with context.
That claim only works if you completely ignore the extrapolation of the trends that were already in place before his presidency.
As it goes, if you look a bit deeper, the trend hasn't quite followed the expected path and it's been said the figures should be even better. |  |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 18:08 - Sep 17 with 3195 views | noggin |
Fake News obviously. | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 18:49 - Sep 17 with 3163 views | Herbivore |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 18:08 - Sep 17 by noggin |
Fake News obviously. |
Indeed, should we trust a press that is regulated and has to maintain editorial standards otherwise it gets held to account, or a piss-eyed Tango monster that's forged an entire political career on bare-faced lies? It's a tough call for sure, hard to know who to believe sometimes. | |
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