| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement 09:31 - Sep 16 with 73208 views | Barneycurley |
and not be considered a racist? |  |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:01 - Sep 17 with 1075 views | Darth_Koont |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 11:42 - Sep 17 by DanTheMan |
Just a note on Martin Luther King
He was accused of the exact same kind of thing. |
Indeed. It’s the same old trick that works so well. |  |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:11 - Sep 17 with 1048 views | Vic |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 09:13 - Sep 17 by Clapham_Junction |
Obviously they're not on TWTD
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/407279/3640912/tomorrow-i-will-vote-tory/#post3640912
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/470348/4475873/tories-of-twtd-or-those-refusing-to-tactically-vote-this-election..../#post4475873 |
Ha - blimey you guys have some memory! When it came to it I didn’t vote Tory though! I simply couldn’t vote for Johnson, and still couldn’t. |  |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:15 - Sep 17 with 1033 views | hampstead_blue |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 22:04 - Sep 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I wonder what BLM will look like once you have purged it of all the smelly lefties?
Will it be run by Priti Patel and only look after the interests of those members of the black community who happen to have made it into the upper echelons of western society?
The current model of capitalism has many flaws just as rampant communism imposed by authoritarian regimes does. However, capitalism does not have to promote huge inequalities. Neither do left-wing policies have to lead to corrupt authoritarian regimes dictating conditions for all.
Maybe something along the lines of Fairtrade and similar organisations but legislated through governance where profiteering at the expense of the poor is prevented would be what a fairer society would look like. Ultimately the goal of BLM is for black people to have the same freedom to walk around, drive around and live their lives, learn and progress as non-black people. It is horrific some of what is still readily seen if only you open your eyes to it. |
For me BLM should be simple and free from politics.
The message transcends all politics so when they get flooded by left loonies it ruins the entire piece.
You don't need to have politics involved in many of these causes. It's frustrating as it splits what should be a united message. |  |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:21 - Sep 17 with 1014 views | SpruceMoose |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:15 - Sep 17 by hampstead_blue |
For me BLM should be simple and free from politics.
The message transcends all politics so when they get flooded by left loonies it ruins the entire piece.
You don't need to have politics involved in many of these causes. It's frustrating as it splits what should be a united message. |
You're an idiot. |  |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:23 - Sep 17 with 1000 views | Darth_Koont |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:15 - Sep 17 by hampstead_blue |
For me BLM should be simple and free from politics.
The message transcends all politics so when they get flooded by left loonies it ruins the entire piece.
You don't need to have politics involved in many of these causes. It's frustrating as it splits what should be a united message. |
Oh please. Systemic/structural racism is as political as it gets.
I get that it’s politics that you and many others don’t like and want to reject in its entirety. But that’s one of the main reasons we still have these problems in the first place. | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:29 - Sep 17 with 976 views | giant_stow |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:21 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose |
You're an idiot. |
Far be it for me to stick up for mr hated, but he does have a point in one sense at least. Fighting racism ought to safely be a cross-party goal. If its turns into yet another left vs right issue, that fight and any improvements it brings will be delayed.
Keeping things simple and agreeable makes actual action more likely. |  |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:32 - Sep 17 with 967 views | SpruceMoose |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:29 - Sep 17 by giant_stow |
Far be it for me to stick up for mr hated, but he does have a point in one sense at least. Fighting racism ought to safely be a cross-party goal. If its turns into yet another left vs right issue, that fight and any improvements it brings will be delayed.
Keeping things simple and agreeable makes actual action more likely. |
No it doesn't. Simple and agreeable is just sweeping it under the carpet. The right decided to not be allies in this cause long ago. It's always been left v right. | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:34 - Sep 17 with 965 views | Darth_Koont |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:29 - Sep 17 by giant_stow |
Far be it for me to stick up for mr hated, but he does have a point in one sense at least. Fighting racism ought to safely be a cross-party goal. If its turns into yet another left vs right issue, that fight and any improvements it brings will be delayed.
Keeping things simple and agreeable makes actual action more likely. |
Not sure that’s taking many lessons from history. With major, structural injustice more often than not you have to go straight past the people who have been historically happy to allow it on their watch. | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:34 - Sep 17 with 965 views | Herbivore |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:15 - Sep 17 by hampstead_blue |
For me BLM should be simple and free from politics.
The message transcends all politics so when they get flooded by left loonies it ruins the entire piece.
You don't need to have politics involved in many of these causes. It's frustrating as it splits what should be a united message. |
I don't want to sound harsh but it's pretty obvious you just REALLY don't get any of this at all. You've got two options essentially, either you bother to better educate yourself to try to understand why seeking racial equality is not something that can be entirely apolitical, or you maintain a position of ignorance and preferably keep quiet. I'd like you to try the former ideally. |  |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:35 - Sep 17 with 960 views | giant_stow |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:32 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose |
No it doesn't. Simple and agreeable is just sweeping it under the carpet. The right decided to not be allies in this cause long ago. It's always been left v right. |
There speaks a culture warrior, when what we're really crying out for, not just in this country not all over the world, is calm consensus building and positive action. peace, not war. | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:35 - Sep 17 with 958 views | Darth_Koont |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:32 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose |
No it doesn't. Simple and agreeable is just sweeping it under the carpet. The right decided to not be allies in this cause long ago. It's always been left v right. |
And can I just say that the moderate, reasonable centre has been pretty crap too. | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:37 - Sep 17 with 954 views | giant_stow |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:34 - Sep 17 by Darth_Koont |
Not sure that’s taking many lessons from history. With major, structural injustice more often than not you have to go straight past the people who have been historically happy to allow it on their watch. |
Fair enough fella. I just worry that this left v right war is building and building to a point where it may be beyond anyone's control. | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:42 - Sep 17 with 930 views | SpruceMoose |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:35 - Sep 17 by giant_stow |
There speaks a culture warrior, when what we're really crying out for, not just in this country not all over the world, is calm consensus building and positive action. peace, not war. |
Oh please. That completely disregards reality. How on earth is racism not a political issue?
The very fact that you think such things as equality, fair policing, and supporting and rewarding institutions who attempt to minimise institutional racism are somehow leftist issues show how far from the path you've strayed. You're right. They should be universal goals. But they aren't, are they?
How is it not left v right when it is mainly those on the right who oppose those things?
Accusing me of being a culture warrior is low and lazy. Thought better of you to be honest. | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:45 - Sep 17 with 924 views | Herbivore |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:37 - Sep 17 by giant_stow |
Fair enough fella. I just worry that this left v right war is building and building to a point where it may be beyond anyone's control. |
The war is already going on as far as I can see. Did you not see the number of English people celebrating the deaths of migrants when their boat sank? People celebrating deaths of foreigners. That sounds like the kind of thing that happens in a war. Trying to be moderate and balanced has given platforms to the likes of Farage so they can ignore the usual rules of conduct and spread bile and lies. Can't help but think fighting back is what's needed rather than sitting there quietly trying to engage in civil debate with people who cheer at other humans drowning. [Post edited 17 Sep 2020 12:49]
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:46 - Sep 17 with 922 views | Herbivore |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:42 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose |
Oh please. That completely disregards reality. How on earth is racism not a political issue?
The very fact that you think such things as equality, fair policing, and supporting and rewarding institutions who attempt to minimise institutional racism are somehow leftist issues show how far from the path you've strayed. You're right. They should be universal goals. But they aren't, are they?
How is it not left v right when it is mainly those on the right who oppose those things?
Accusing me of being a culture warrior is low and lazy. Thought better of you to be honest. |
Precisely this. | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:46 - Sep 17 with 922 views | SpruceMoose |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:35 - Sep 17 by Darth_Koont |
And can I just say that the moderate, reasonable centre has been pretty crap too. |
Well they've had the best of both worlds haven't they?
For many moderates, onthe one hand they've been able to tell themselves that they are in the fight just by saying "Oh no! How awful! Stop!" as a response to racism, while on the other hand having absolutely no desire to face hardship, sacrifice, consequences or inconvenience as a consequence of taking that position.
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:51 - Sep 17 with 908 views | giant_stow |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:42 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose |
Oh please. That completely disregards reality. How on earth is racism not a political issue?
The very fact that you think such things as equality, fair policing, and supporting and rewarding institutions who attempt to minimise institutional racism are somehow leftist issues show how far from the path you've strayed. You're right. They should be universal goals. But they aren't, are they?
How is it not left v right when it is mainly those on the right who oppose those things?
Accusing me of being a culture warrior is low and lazy. Thought better of you to be honest. |
Woo! Sorry to offend (truely), but I'm deeply worried about these clashes all around society: the US could be on the verge of something terrible and we *know* we in the UK definately are with brexit.
I'm worried about how we all discuss these matters (me included) in an either / or way.
Decent right wing people don't have to be your enemy in this - many would hate racism as much as you. Look at what the tories did on gay marriage. | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:52 - Sep 17 with 901 views | Ryorry |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:34 - Sep 17 by Herbivore |
I don't want to sound harsh but it's pretty obvious you just REALLY don't get any of this at all. You've got two options essentially, either you bother to better educate yourself to try to understand why seeking racial equality is not something that can be entirely apolitical, or you maintain a position of ignorance and preferably keep quiet. I'd like you to try the former ideally. |
(Also in response to DK's reply to me) I don't think it's actually that easy getting people to self-educate though, even today with the internet - most people are just too caught up in their daily grind and chores - unless there's some kind of hook in, such as a friend being unjustly assaulted, arrested, not getting job interviews etc.
Which is why threads like this are great! Remaining gentle with those who are not racist but simply unaware is always going to get more people onside tho (not aimed at any individual, just generally speaking). |  |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:52 - Sep 17 with 902 views | giant_stow |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:45 - Sep 17 by Herbivore |
The war is already going on as far as I can see. Did you not see the number of English people celebrating the deaths of migrants when their boat sank? People celebrating deaths of foreigners. That sounds like the kind of thing that happens in a war. Trying to be moderate and balanced has given platforms to the likes of Farage so they can ignore the usual rules of conduct and spread bile and lies. Can't help but think fighting back is what's needed rather than sitting there quietly trying to engage in civil debate with people who cheer at other humans drowning. [Post edited 17 Sep 2020 12:49]
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I didn;t see that no, but I imagine that they were just a few nutters who managed to get themselves amplified by the media and social media. Don;t pay attention to them - pay attnetion to the vast majority of decent people, not all ofwhom will vote labour / democrats | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:53 - Sep 17 with 895 views | hampstead_blue |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:29 - Sep 17 by giant_stow |
Far be it for me to stick up for mr hated, but he does have a point in one sense at least. Fighting racism ought to safely be a cross-party goal. If its turns into yet another left vs right issue, that fight and any improvements it brings will be delayed.
Keeping things simple and agreeable makes actual action more likely. |
Thanks for your point. I do not mind them throwing abuse my way. I find it amusing.
What is funniest though is when they give you dogs for making a perfectly reasonable and sane point.
Kind of shows them to be the haters they are.
They just want to hate which is sad. Still, they do it in public so everyone can see.
Have a good day. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:54 - Sep 17 with 886 views | jaykay |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:37 - Sep 17 by giant_stow |
Fair enough fella. I just worry that this left v right war is building and building to a point where it may be beyond anyone's control. |
first it was white middle class boys now its lefties , that's typical right wing press talk just trying to deflect from the heart of the matter ' racism' |  |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:56 - Sep 17 with 866 views | ROKERITE |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:35 - Sep 17 by giant_stow |
There speaks a culture warrior, when what we're really crying out for, not just in this country not all over the world, is calm consensus building and positive action. peace, not war. |
But you're making the basic mistake of thinking that all on the left are seeking peace and racial harmony. For many that wouldn't do at all. To quote Thomas Sowell again : "It is usually futile to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance". I think that could apply to many of the posters on here and in fairness on any football message-board. They have no wish to discuss matters in a civilised manner. Agree with them entirely or be guilty of wrongthink. |  | | |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:57 - Sep 17 with 864 views | giant_stow |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:54 - Sep 17 by jaykay |
first it was white middle class boys now its lefties , that's typical right wing press talk just trying to deflect from the heart of the matter ' racism' |
I don't understand your point sir. Apoligies. | |
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:59 - Sep 17 with 852 views | SpruceMoose |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:51 - Sep 17 by giant_stow |
Woo! Sorry to offend (truely), but I'm deeply worried about these clashes all around society: the US could be on the verge of something terrible and we *know* we in the UK definately are with brexit.
I'm worried about how we all discuss these matters (me included) in an either / or way.
Decent right wing people don't have to be your enemy in this - many would hate racism as much as you. Look at what the tories did on gay marriage. |
Where are these decent Right wing people in the fight against the horrendous governments on both sides of the Atlantic? They seem awfully quiet and more concerned with keeping disruption to a minimum. To be honest it seens like they view the current situation as more of a feature than a bug.
It's not just with race issues either, you see it with climate change and anti-capitalism protests. The message from the right is that protest is fine so long as it doesn't inconvenience anyone and doesn't actually change anything.
And even if those conditions are met then they're still liable to just wake up one day and favour sending in the police for some rough stuff. And even if they somehow restrain themselves from doing that, they make their political capital by pretending the world is on fire as a result of peaceful protest.
The right have turned equality into a partisan issue. How have you somehow missed that? [Post edited 17 Sep 2020 13:03]
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| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:01 - Sep 17 with 834 views | SpruceMoose |
| Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:53 - Sep 17 by hampstead_blue |
Thanks for your point. I do not mind them throwing abuse my way. I find it amusing.
What is funniest though is when they give you dogs for making a perfectly reasonable and sane point.
Kind of shows them to be the haters they are.
They just want to hate which is sad. Still, they do it in public so everyone can see.
Have a good day. |
Owen Jones still deserve a good kicking, does he Hamstead?
Fecking hypocrite. | |
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