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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:56 - Sep 17 by ROKERITE
But you're making the basic mistake of thinking that all on the left are seeking peace and racial harmony. For many that wouldn't do at all. To quote Thomas Sowell again : "It is usually futile to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance". I think that could apply to many of the posters on here and in fairness on any football message-board. They have no wish to discuss matters in a civilised manner. Agree with them entirely or be guilty of wrongthink.
Interesting point - not sure what to say, but read.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:52 - Sep 17 by giant_stow
I didn;t see that no, but I imagine that they were just a few nutters who managed to get themselves amplified by the media and social media. Don;t pay attention to them - pay attnetion to the vast majority of decent people, not all ofwhom will vote labour / democrats
There were loads of comments with hundreds of likes. This kind of stuff has been normalised by our country lurching to the right over the past decade. 21,000 people complained about Diversity doing a BLM routine on Britain's Got Talent. This isn't about how people vote, it's about their values.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:23 - Sep 17 by Darth_Koont
Oh please. Systemic/structural racism is as political as it gets.
I get that it’s politics that you and many others don’t like and want to reject in its entirety. But that’s one of the main reasons we still have these problems in the first place.
It's only political because you on the left want to make it so.
I'd envisage so many more decent people joining if it were not stuffed full of angry mobs screaming at the Police calling for defunding, breaking the system, and the other common room 'angry mob' slogans you cling onto.
Herbivore summed it up. The goal is to dismantle capitalism and the establishment. Well Darth, I've made the point earlier than it is those things which feed and clothe you.
Change them yes.
The more you clammer for their destruction the more you alienate yourself with the majority of the UK's population.
It's incredibly selfish and shows the left to be so narrow minded and hateful. You commandeer the cause for your own naive ideals.
If it were clear of politics, peaceful, showed due respect for the Police and authorities then more would join and something would get done.
Sadly, your side have pocketed it which is why so many people are removing the badge and disowning themselves.
Can you not see the damage you are doing to the cause? BLM is a cause for everyone. NOT the left. You are destroying it's message.
Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:59 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose
Where are these decent Right wing people in the fight against the horrendous governments on both sides of the Atlantic? They seem awfully quiet and more concerned with keeping disruption to a minimum. To be honest it seens like they view the current situation as more of a feature than a bug.
It's not just with race issues either, you see it with climate change and anti-capitalism protests. The message from the right is that protest is fine so long as it doesn't inconvenience anyone and doesn't actually change anything.
And even if those conditions are met then they're still liable to just wake up one day and favour sending in the police for some rough stuff. And even if they somehow restrain themselves from doing that, they make their political capital by pretending the world is on fire as a result of peaceful protest.
The right have turned equality into a partisan issue. How have you somehow missed that?
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Its hard to disagree with you, accept to say that I think the right's been (hopefully) temporarily taken over by extremists. That doesn't mean it doesn't contain good people who just happen to see themselves as belonging to that tribe. And we know tribal belonging is important, correct?
Some battle royale isn't going to do anyone any favours and only increase distrust and hostility in all this. Showing understanding and even compassio to your enemies, rather than ridicule is surely a potentially much more powerful tool.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:10 - Sep 17 by hampstead_blue
It's only political because you on the left want to make it so.
I'd envisage so many more decent people joining if it were not stuffed full of angry mobs screaming at the Police calling for defunding, breaking the system, and the other common room 'angry mob' slogans you cling onto.
Herbivore summed it up. The goal is to dismantle capitalism and the establishment. Well Darth, I've made the point earlier than it is those things which feed and clothe you.
Change them yes.
The more you clammer for their destruction the more you alienate yourself with the majority of the UK's population.
It's incredibly selfish and shows the left to be so narrow minded and hateful. You commandeer the cause for your own naive ideals.
If it were clear of politics, peaceful, showed due respect for the Police and authorities then more would join and something would get done.
Sadly, your side have pocketed it which is why so many people are removing the badge and disowning themselves.
Can you not see the damage you are doing to the cause? BLM is a cause for everyone. NOT the left. You are destroying it's message.
And there's what I'm chatitng about in reverse: you on the left did this, did that.
This sh1t needs to stop, but I'm just some little web grunt, so I'll stop whining.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:10 - Sep 17 by giant_stow
Its hard to disagree with you, accept to say that I think the right's been (hopefully) temporarily taken over by extremists. That doesn't mean it doesn't contain good people who just happen to see themselves as belonging to that tribe. And we know tribal belonging is important, correct?
Some battle royale isn't going to do anyone any favours and only increase distrust and hostility in all this. Showing understanding and even compassio to your enemies, rather than ridicule is surely a potentially much more powerful tool.
Read Hamstead's deranged post above yours and tell me how I can reach out to him. Don't tell me talk calmly to him. Been there, tried that, he ignores all your points and just circles back to repeating what he said at the beginning over and over. Compassion? What's that going to do when he ignores everything you say?
Ulla. How on earth do we work with people who don't even live in the same reality as the rest of us?
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:16 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose
Read Hamstead's deranged post above yours and tell me how I can reach out to him. Don't tell me talk calmly to him. Been there, tried that, he ignores all your points and just circles back to repeating what he said at the beginning over and over. Compassion? What's that going to do when he ignores everything you say?
Ulla. How on earth do we work with people who don't even live in the same reality as the rest of us?
I don't know fella.
I have no solution really, other than contuining to talk to each other and finding stuff that you do agree about and there will be plenty: the vast majority of people are decent at heart.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:09 - Sep 17 by Herbivore
There were loads of comments with hundreds of likes. This kind of stuff has been normalised by our country lurching to the right over the past decade. 21,000 people complained about Diversity doing a BLM routine on Britain's Got Talent. This isn't about how people vote, it's about their values.
I saw hundreds of objections to the Diversity routine (which was brilliant) on Twitter - all objecting to it only because they wanted their Sat night light etertainment to be a politics-free zone.
There are also regularly very large number of objections on similar grounds to other acts promoting a variety of "causes".
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:10 - Sep 17 by hampstead_blue
It's only political because you on the left want to make it so.
I'd envisage so many more decent people joining if it were not stuffed full of angry mobs screaming at the Police calling for defunding, breaking the system, and the other common room 'angry mob' slogans you cling onto.
Herbivore summed it up. The goal is to dismantle capitalism and the establishment. Well Darth, I've made the point earlier than it is those things which feed and clothe you.
Change them yes.
The more you clammer for their destruction the more you alienate yourself with the majority of the UK's population.
It's incredibly selfish and shows the left to be so narrow minded and hateful. You commandeer the cause for your own naive ideals.
If it were clear of politics, peaceful, showed due respect for the Police and authorities then more would join and something would get done.
Sadly, your side have pocketed it which is why so many people are removing the badge and disowning themselves.
Can you not see the damage you are doing to the cause? BLM is a cause for everyone. NOT the left. You are destroying it's message.
You're just making it up as you go along.
Yesterday it was extreme Marxism today it's the destruction of society.
You would never be an ally in the fight for equality anyway. You'd always invent some excuse about how people are going the wrong way about wanting to be treated equally, that's clear to see. You obviously idolise authority, you struggle to operate without being told where to go and what to think.
So, you think what you like. You sit there with your violent little fantasies, all the while on the wrong side of history. You're no use to the rest of us. We will do it without you.
Pronouns: He/Him/His.
"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:10 - Sep 17 by hampstead_blue
It's only political because you on the left want to make it so.
I'd envisage so many more decent people joining if it were not stuffed full of angry mobs screaming at the Police calling for defunding, breaking the system, and the other common room 'angry mob' slogans you cling onto.
Herbivore summed it up. The goal is to dismantle capitalism and the establishment. Well Darth, I've made the point earlier than it is those things which feed and clothe you.
Change them yes.
The more you clammer for their destruction the more you alienate yourself with the majority of the UK's population.
It's incredibly selfish and shows the left to be so narrow minded and hateful. You commandeer the cause for your own naive ideals.
If it were clear of politics, peaceful, showed due respect for the Police and authorities then more would join and something would get done.
Sadly, your side have pocketed it which is why so many people are removing the badge and disowning themselves.
Can you not see the damage you are doing to the cause? BLM is a cause for everyone. NOT the left. You are destroying it's message.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:20 - Sep 17 by Ryorry
I saw hundreds of objections to the Diversity routine (which was brilliant) on Twitter - all objecting to it only because they wanted their Sat night light etertainment to be a politics-free zone.
There are also regularly very large number of objections on similar grounds to other acts promoting a variety of "causes".
Thats such a selfish position for those complaining to take though.
Wanting entertainment free of political statement is a privilege. Wanting entertainment without the reminder that people are suffering and treated less equitably is a privilege. Having any kind of politics free zone in your life is a privilege.
If you're impacted by inequality you don't have the luxury of not bring confronted by it, on a Saturday evening or any other time.
You're right the routine was brilliant. We need more stuff like this, not less.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:56 - Sep 17 by ROKERITE
But you're making the basic mistake of thinking that all on the left are seeking peace and racial harmony. For many that wouldn't do at all. To quote Thomas Sowell again : "It is usually futile to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance". I think that could apply to many of the posters on here and in fairness on any football message-board. They have no wish to discuss matters in a civilised manner. Agree with them entirely or be guilty of wrongthink.
Ironically the guy who down voted this is perfectly described here.
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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:29 - Sep 17 with 2905 views
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:20 - Sep 17 by Ryorry
I saw hundreds of objections to the Diversity routine (which was brilliant) on Twitter - all objecting to it only because they wanted their Sat night light etertainment to be a politics-free zone.
There are also regularly very large number of objections on similar grounds to other acts promoting a variety of "causes".
There were 21,000 complaints to a peaceful protest expressed as an artistic performance. You say people objected to it on the grounds that it is political, but the likes of Hampstead and Ulla (amongst others) are telling us this isn't about politics? People need to make their minds up.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 07:45 - Sep 17 by Barneycurley
Civil disobedience is 1 thing, that was able amongst other things to push change in the past and we now have the internet which obviously can be used for good and to help drive change although obviously the internet was invented by a capitalist some time ago which I assume on your eyes rules that out.
I'll pose you a question... My line of work has allowed me and the company I work for employ and empower hundreds and thousands of indengeous Australians to gain meaningful and in world terms well paid work. It enables them to become better people and help the struggle to educate their own families. It allows them to become role models and to push their children towards better education
The indigenous Australians that work are many more times likely to avoid any time in prison, to live longer and more likely to lead enriched lives than their peers that aren't as lucky. This brought about by capitalism a company that makes money for shareholders.
You would prefer this not to happen?
Pretty sure they would have preferred their pre capitalist tribal system where every member of the tribe/society had equal access to all the resources needed for a successful life. Sounds a tad more pleasant then begging for a job from the people who stole your land and resources
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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:34 - Sep 17 with 2887 views
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:26 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose
Thats such a selfish position for those complaining to take though.
Wanting entertainment free of political statement is a privilege. Wanting entertainment without the reminder that people are suffering and treated less equitably is a privilege. Having any kind of politics free zone in your life is a privilege.
If you're impacted by inequality you don't have the luxury of not bring confronted by it, on a Saturday evening or any other time.
You're right the routine was brilliant. We need more stuff like this, not less.
Their argument (not mine) was that they get politics like that every hour every day of the rest of the week, so asking for 2 hours free of it was fair enough.
Yes that's a luxury - selfish, I dunno, most people just need a break from the relentless sticks and stones of their everyday lives and problems right now. Would you say that us enjoying a bit of escapism via a 90 min football match or a few hours of competitive cricket now & then is selfish? I'd say it's probably necessary for the sake of our mental health!
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:56 - Sep 17 by ROKERITE
But you're making the basic mistake of thinking that all on the left are seeking peace and racial harmony. For many that wouldn't do at all. To quote Thomas Sowell again : "It is usually futile to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance". I think that could apply to many of the posters on here and in fairness on any football message-board. They have no wish to discuss matters in a civilised manner. Agree with them entirely or be guilty of wrongthink.
I'm not seeing much in the way of facts and analysis from you or any of the other right wingers on here, champ. Feel free to join in with some.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:16 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose
Read Hamstead's deranged post above yours and tell me how I can reach out to him. Don't tell me talk calmly to him. Been there, tried that, he ignores all your points and just circles back to repeating what he said at the beginning over and over. Compassion? What's that going to do when he ignores everything you say?
Ulla. How on earth do we work with people who don't even live in the same reality as the rest of us?
It is your opinion that Hampstead's is a deranged post. Many will agree with you but It seems to me one of the most sensible posts in this thread. You ask "How do we work with people who don't live in the same reality as the rest of us?" There again you presume your reality to be reality. Hampstead, I and, I believe, a majority of the population of The UK see a very different reality.
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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:39 - Sep 17 with 2863 views
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:34 - Sep 17 by Ryorry
Their argument (not mine) was that they get politics like that every hour every day of the rest of the week, so asking for 2 hours free of it was fair enough.
Yes that's a luxury - selfish, I dunno, most people just need a break from the relentless sticks and stones of their everyday lives and problems right now. Would you say that us enjoying a bit of escapism via a 90 min football match or a few hours of competitive cricket now & then is selfish? I'd say it's probably necessary for the sake of our mental health!
So is being anti-racist political or not? I lose track now.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:29 - Sep 17 by Herbivore
There were 21,000 complaints to a peaceful protest expressed as an artistic performance. You say people objected to it on the grounds that it is political, but the likes of Hampstead and Ulla (amongst others) are telling us this isn't about politics? People need to make their minds up.
My use of the word 'political' was probably the wrong one there - for 2 hours they simply didn't want to be presented with all the woes of the world that they're bombarded with for the entire rest of the week (see also my reply to Sprucemoose in the last few minutes).
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