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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 02:14 - Sep 18 by Nthsuffolkblue
Plus his last line: "BLM is a cause for everyone. NOT the left. You are destroying it's message."
Perhaps he ought to link us to this more reasonable right-wing movement that is standing up for Black rights and protesting for them while ensuring it remains free from left-wing interference. Why isn't there a prominent right-wing movement protesting against these injustices instead of protesting against the people who are?
I have a fair idea. Put it this way. It isn't left wing Marxist extremist cops choking the life out of people on the streets, just as it isn't right wing voters taking to the streets in protest against the murders.
This really isn't one of those 'but both sides' occasions. One side is very clearly the cause for concern here.
I feel like this is a good time to remind everyone which movements the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI have warned local local authorities about regarding domestic terrorism.
Hint: the movements in question aren't BLM or Antifa.
Care to take a guess at which movements are the cause of most concern, Hamstead?
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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 02:21 - Sep 18 by SpruceMoose
I have a fair idea. Put it this way. It isn't left wing Marxist extremist cops choking the life out of people on the streets, just as it isn't right wing voters taking to the streets in protest against the murders.
This really isn't one of those 'but both sides' occasions. One side is very clearly the cause for concern here.
I feel like this is a good time to remind everyone which movements the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI have warned local local authorities about regarding domestic terrorism.
Hint: the movements in question aren't BLM or Antifa.
Care to take a guess at which movements are the cause of most concern, Hamstead?
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One side is very clearly cause for concern.
I must admit it concerns me at times. We have quite a nice car. I’ve been surprised that MrsN hasn’t been stopped whilst driving it yet to be honest.
The fact that is even a concern says it all really.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 02:35 - Sep 18 by NewcyBlue
One side is very clearly cause for concern.
I must admit it concerns me at times. We have quite a nice car. I’ve been surprised that MrsN hasn’t been stopped whilst driving it yet to be honest.
The fact that is even a concern says it all really.
I don't blame you. That's the point about white privilege isn't it? There are so many things white folk don't have to think about and don't have to worry about that Black people and minorities do.
To be honest, just from conversations with friends I've come to see that many of the concerns Black people and minorities have are not things that would ever even cross my mind.
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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 02:45 - Sep 18 by SpruceMoose
I don't blame you. That's the point about white privilege isn't it? There are so many things white folk don't have to think about and don't have to worry about that Black people and minorities do.
To be honest, just from conversations with friends I've come to see that many of the concerns Black people and minorities have are not things that would ever even cross my mind.
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Did you see the report about the kid playing with a nerf gun and his school were on zoom with him. They called the police. A brightly coloured toy gun. The kid has got a record now.
Words absolutely fail me. I am saddened more and more by all of this.
I saw a photo of a woman holding up a sign saying something along the lines of “If you’re bored of the protests about racism, imagine what it’s like experiencing racism”. I wish I could find the photo because it was really quite powerful. I also wish I could remember the exact phrasing because it’s just so very apt.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 03:09 - Sep 18 by NewcyBlue
Did you see the report about the kid playing with a nerf gun and his school were on zoom with him. They called the police. A brightly coloured toy gun. The kid has got a record now.
Words absolutely fail me. I am saddened more and more by all of this.
I saw a photo of a woman holding up a sign saying something along the lines of “If you’re bored of the protests about racism, imagine what it’s like experiencing racism”. I wish I could find the photo because it was really quite powerful. I also wish I could remember the exact phrasing because it’s just so very apt.
Part of me is amazed that the kid didn't get shot. Tragic.
Being bored of racism makes me think about the people who complained about Diversity interrupting their Saturday night TV with something raw and heartfelt.
I mean come on, people are dying and you can't spare ten minutes to reflect on how awful that is?
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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 03:11 - Sep 18 by SpruceMoose
Part of me is amazed that the kid didn't get shot. Tragic.
Being bored of racism makes me think about the people who complained about Diversity interrupting their Saturday night TV with something raw and heartfelt.
I mean come on, people are dying and you can't spare ten minutes to reflect on how awful that is?
I have to be honest mate, I don’t know what diversity is. I’ve not had much chance to read the news lately. Did I read it’s a dance show or something?
People complaining about this sort of thing are the first ones to laugh when BoJo writes about watermelon smiles and the rest of the abhorrent stuff.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 03:18 - Sep 18 by NewcyBlue
I have to be honest mate, I don’t know what diversity is. I’ve not had much chance to read the news lately. Did I read it’s a dance show or something?
People complaining about this sort of thing are the first ones to laugh when BoJo writes about watermelon smiles and the rest of the abhorrent stuff.
It shows them up for who they are.
I dread to think how this will end.
It's that dance group. I only read about it. That kind of British TV isn't available over here. A little background if you can stomach it. I'm sure you can imagine thf Daily Mail comments.
The future is a big concern. I don't know if I can stay here for another four years if Trump wins in November. The future feels genuinely scary right now. The country is in tatters and that a not even worrying about covid. Anyone not on board with the Trump cult right now is painted as the enemy. Sooner or later some people are going to take that idea too seriously.
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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 03:34 - Sep 18 by SpruceMoose
It's that dance group. I only read about it. That kind of British TV isn't available over here. A little background if you can stomach it. I'm sure you can imagine thf Daily Mail comments.
The future is a big concern. I don't know if I can stay here for another four years if Trump wins in November. The future feels genuinely scary right now. The country is in tatters and that a not even worrying about covid. Anyone not on board with the Trump cult right now is painted as the enemy. Sooner or later some people are going to take that idea too seriously.
I’ve never heard of Diversity. We don’t watch much TV when I am home.
People complaining about that. Really.
Didn’t Farage use similar language? Fight on the beaches etc?
I think the U.K. is lagging a bit behind the US, but we have similar problems. Farage et al must be stopped.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 02:14 - Sep 18 by Nthsuffolkblue
Plus his last line: "BLM is a cause for everyone. NOT the left. You are destroying it's message."
Perhaps he ought to link us to this more reasonable right-wing movement that is standing up for Black rights and protesting for them while ensuring it remains free from left-wing interference. Why isn't there a prominent right-wing movement protesting against these injustices instead of protesting against the people who are?
Well, Hampstead and others have been asked questions. But don’t answer.
For me, Hampstead, now firmly sits in the intellectual coward corner.
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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 08:33 - Sep 18 with 1783 views
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 01:15 - Sep 18 by NewcyBlue
“ stuffed full of angry mobs screaming at the Police ”
I would say that there wouldn’t be so much anger towards the police if they weren’t murdering so many non-whites in shocking ways.
The anger towards the police is just.
The anger towards the establishment and he system is just.
Peaceful protests do happen. But look at the mob of EDL and their counter protests. Peaceful it was not.
Indeed. Hammers has far less to say about the violent riots involving the gammomistas the following week. I won't call the protests as there was no message they were protesting about, they were just thugs attacking the police and pissing on monuments. The BLM protests were relatively mild in comparison, especially given their scale and that they legitimately had something to be angry about.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 07:49 - Sep 18 by eireblue
Well, Hampstead and others have been asked questions. But don’t answer.
For me, Hampstead, now firmly sits in the intellectual coward corner.
I am early to bed each night.
Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 23:44 - Sep 17 by brazil1982
Some of their more prominent members are Marxists:
In a revealing 2015 interview, Cullors said, “Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers. We are trained Marxists.” NY Times, 1/7/20
Another Founder of BLM has praised Venezuela's Maduro. The fact that the Black Lives Matter movement was founded by two “trained Marxists” would indicate that some type of communism is the group’s future thinking.
This is playing the man, not the ball, which seems to have been a prominent tactic of the right in the last decade - trying to delegitimise movements and organisations by going after individuals involved (or their relatives, as we saw with Ed Miliband).
From a US fact-checking site, answering the question "Is Black Lives Matter a Marxist movement": "I am fairly convinced these are mostly attempts to smear anti-racist activists. I think in some media, ‘Marxist’ is dog-whistle for something horrible, like ‘Nazi’, and thus enables to delegitimize/dehumanize them," Miriyam Aouragh, a lecturer at the London-based Westminster School of Media and Communication, told PolitiFact. Black Lives Matter "is not an organization, but a fluid movement; it doesn’t actually matter if one of its founders was a liberal, Marxist, socialist or capitalist."
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 10:06 - Sep 18 by Clapham_Junction
This is playing the man, not the ball, which seems to have been a prominent tactic of the right in the last decade - trying to delegitimise movements and organisations by going after individuals involved (or their relatives, as we saw with Ed Miliband).
From a US fact-checking site, answering the question "Is Black Lives Matter a Marxist movement": "I am fairly convinced these are mostly attempts to smear anti-racist activists. I think in some media, ‘Marxist’ is dog-whistle for something horrible, like ‘Nazi’, and thus enables to delegitimize/dehumanize them," Miriyam Aouragh, a lecturer at the London-based Westminster School of Media and Communication, told PolitiFact. Black Lives Matter "is not an organization, but a fluid movement; it doesn’t actually matter if one of its founders was a liberal, Marxist, socialist or capitalist."
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:26 - Sep 17 by Swansea_Blue
Sorry, maybe I'm being naive or maybe I'm being lazy and not following the thread closely enough, but since when has marxism definitively been at the core of BLM? They are politically neutral in terms of their stated aims. And they certainly don't stand for the destruction of society. That's nonsensicle as they'd need a society to achieve their aim of the empowerment of black people.
I am quoting the Herb from the thread. Also I did say that other styles of left wing politics are available and most involved at the core of BLM.
BLM and it's core want to dismantle the establishment and capitalism. That's my annoyance. Which is why many are now turning away from BLM and removing the badges.
I did post links to the Daily Mail and Telegraph as a tongue in cheek gesture but the point was that people were openly turning away from BLM due to the politics behind it (the last part was in the report)
Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:21 - Sep 18 by hampstead_blue
I am quoting the Herb from the thread. Also I did say that other styles of left wing politics are available and most involved at the core of BLM.
BLM and it's core want to dismantle the establishment and capitalism. That's my annoyance. Which is why many are now turning away from BLM and removing the badges.
I did post links to the Daily Mail and Telegraph as a tongue in cheek gesture but the point was that people were openly turning away from BLM due to the politics behind it (the last part was in the report)
You're not listening, you don't get it, and you don't really care either. Just do one.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:21 - Sep 18 by hampstead_blue
I am quoting the Herb from the thread. Also I did say that other styles of left wing politics are available and most involved at the core of BLM.
BLM and it's core want to dismantle the establishment and capitalism. That's my annoyance. Which is why many are now turning away from BLM and removing the badges.
I did post links to the Daily Mail and Telegraph as a tongue in cheek gesture but the point was that people were openly turning away from BLM due to the politics behind it (the last part was in the report)
The people who are turning away were never that interested to begin with. Neoliberal extremists the lot of them (going by your logic).
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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:34 - Sep 18 by Herbivore
You're not listening, you don't get it, and you don't really care either. Just do one.
I'm quoting you!
There really is no need to be so rude you know. I thought the personal abuse had in the most gone. It's neither big nor clever.
Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:19 - Sep 18 by Ryorry
Edit - this one's from 2017 - have posted the BLM guest performance in question further on.
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Ok, watched the right one now.
It's a message of courage, strength and hope. So what I said before still applies - World's gone mad. Siding with your 'team' is turning people stupid.
Besides, the computer graphics guy is the one who deserves the plaudits.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:38 - Sep 18 by hampstead_blue
I'm quoting you!
There really is no need to be so rude you know. I thought the personal abuse had in the most gone. It's neither big nor clever.
Owen Jones deserved that kicking though? Something in your line of thinking doesn't add up.
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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:38 - Sep 18 by hampstead_blue
I'm quoting you!
There really is no need to be so rude you know. I thought the personal abuse had in the most gone. It's neither big nor clever.
No, you're misquoting me. I explained why the ideals of anti-racism and anti-capitalism are aligned in response to someone struggling to understand why the BLM movement seems to be anti-establishment. Others have provided plenty of evidence that actually BLM are not avowedly anti-capitalist but you keep calling them Marxists anyway. I am not a member of BLM and whilst I support them entirely I do not speak for them.
You are doing your usual of ignoring everything that doesn't align with your own views and prejudices whilst trying to maintain a pretence of actually caring. We know you don't care, you don't need to bother pretending. I don't know why you even bother with these threads to be honest.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:41 - Sep 18 by Swansea_Blue
Ok, watched the right one now.
It's a message of courage, strength and hope. So what I said before still applies - World's gone mad. Siding with your 'team' is turning people stupid.
Besides, the computer graphics guy is the one who deserves the plaudits.
Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:44 - Sep 18 by Herbivore
No, you're misquoting me. I explained why the ideals of anti-racism and anti-capitalism are aligned in response to someone struggling to understand why the BLM movement seems to be anti-establishment. Others have provided plenty of evidence that actually BLM are not avowedly anti-capitalist but you keep calling them Marxists anyway. I am not a member of BLM and whilst I support them entirely I do not speak for them.
You are doing your usual of ignoring everything that doesn't align with your own views and prejudices whilst trying to maintain a pretence of actually caring. We know you don't care, you don't need to bother pretending. I don't know why you even bother with these threads to be honest.
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