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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement 09:31 - Sep 16 with 73217 viewsBarneycurley

and not be considered a racist?

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 19:47 - Sep 17 with 4082 viewshampstead_blue

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:22 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose

You're just making it up as you go along.

Yesterday it was extreme Marxism today it's the destruction of society.

You would never be an ally in the fight for equality anyway. You'd always invent some excuse about how people are going the wrong way about wanting to be treated equally, that's clear to see. You obviously idolise authority, you struggle to operate without being told where to go and what to think.

So, you think what you like. You sit there with your violent little fantasies, all the while on the wrong side of history. You're no use to the rest of us. We will do it without you.


Marxism and destruction of society are the things at the core of BLM!
It's well documented.

I don't see why my point is so hard for you or the other left wingers here to accept.

Clean the argument from politics and let decent people get involved.

Your insults and assumptions of me are merely tepid breath. All you are doing is proving yourself to be intolerant and frankly ignorant.

Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me. Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing. Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial. Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid. Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 19:57 - Sep 17 with 4064 viewshampstead_blue

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:40 - Sep 17 by Herbivore

Hampstead's post is sensible? And you have the cheek to lecture others about reality? Arf.


Sir.

You are a marxist, you told me that in a post recently.
Your political ideals are probably the most documented way of ruining an economy and driving it's population into poverty and ruin.

You tell me that BLM by definition should be a movement which should dismantle the establishment and crush capitalism.

Others here seem to follow your lead and a race to the bottom.

You may feel vindicated by the few who gather round and throw insults at my constant posting and pricking of your proven failure of a system. However, every now and then someone feels strong enough to tell you 'No! you are wrong'. What do you do? You round on them for not being a marxist or agreeing with you in your awful ideals.

Many people read but don't want the hassle of you and the other flies buzzing them. I on the other hand am happy to take that stick as it shows the quiet majority your true colours.

BLM and XR are busted. A wonderful cause, truly unifying. Sadly broken by infiltration and adoption by marxists, communists, socialists, and any other hard left flavour you may wish.
They sully they joyous cause by their vile hatred of success and wealth. They cringe when someone makes it big. They hate our society.

Carry on. Please carry on your regular buzzing. The more people who get to see your side in their true light the better.

Have a good evening.

HB.

P.S: I am right btw.

Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me. Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing. Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial. Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid. Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 20:08 - Sep 17 with 4038 viewsjaseitfc2015

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:50 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose

I'm not sure what your complaint is to be honest?

Racists are bad but Herbivore is somehow worse because he isn't polite to them?

Apologies if I have that wrong, I'm just not fully grasping at your point. Perhaps you could set me straight? You seem to have a personal dislike of Herbivore but trying to shoehorn that dislike into a thread where he's having a pop at racists seems like it might not really be a good way to express that dislike.


No, its fine to be rude to racists , I just find the guy rude in general to anyone who differs in opinion.

I'm on his side but he's annoying
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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 20:44 - Sep 17 with 3994 viewsHerbivore

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 19:57 - Sep 17 by hampstead_blue

Sir.

You are a marxist, you told me that in a post recently.
Your political ideals are probably the most documented way of ruining an economy and driving it's population into poverty and ruin.

You tell me that BLM by definition should be a movement which should dismantle the establishment and crush capitalism.

Others here seem to follow your lead and a race to the bottom.

You may feel vindicated by the few who gather round and throw insults at my constant posting and pricking of your proven failure of a system. However, every now and then someone feels strong enough to tell you 'No! you are wrong'. What do you do? You round on them for not being a marxist or agreeing with you in your awful ideals.

Many people read but don't want the hassle of you and the other flies buzzing them. I on the other hand am happy to take that stick as it shows the quiet majority your true colours.

BLM and XR are busted. A wonderful cause, truly unifying. Sadly broken by infiltration and adoption by marxists, communists, socialists, and any other hard left flavour you may wish.
They sully they joyous cause by their vile hatred of success and wealth. They cringe when someone makes it big. They hate our society.

Carry on. Please carry on your regular buzzing. The more people who get to see your side in their true light the better.

Have a good evening.

HB.

P.S: I am right btw.


You. Just. Don't. Get. It.

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 20:44 - Sep 17 with 3993 viewsHerbivore

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 20:08 - Sep 17 by jaseitfc2015

No, its fine to be rude to racists , I just find the guy rude in general to anyone who differs in opinion.

I'm on his side but he's annoying


No, you're annoying.

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:12 - Sep 17 with 3963 viewsSpruceMoose

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 19:47 - Sep 17 by hampstead_blue

Marxism and destruction of society are the things at the core of BLM!
It's well documented.

I don't see why my point is so hard for you or the other left wingers here to accept.

Clean the argument from politics and let decent people get involved.

Your insults and assumptions of me are merely tepid breath. All you are doing is proving yourself to be intolerant and frankly ignorant.


You're utterly deranged. Seek help. The internet can't be good for you.

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:17 - Sep 17 with 3955 viewsjeera

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:12 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose

You're utterly deranged. Seek help. The internet can't be good for you.


I am also particularly confused as to why marxism is such a dirty word but dishonesty and racism aren't.

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:26 - Sep 17 with 3950 viewsSwansea_Blue

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 19:47 - Sep 17 by hampstead_blue

Marxism and destruction of society are the things at the core of BLM!
It's well documented.

I don't see why my point is so hard for you or the other left wingers here to accept.

Clean the argument from politics and let decent people get involved.

Your insults and assumptions of me are merely tepid breath. All you are doing is proving yourself to be intolerant and frankly ignorant.


Sorry, maybe I'm being naive or maybe I'm being lazy and not following the thread closely enough, but since when has marxism definitively been at the core of BLM? They are politically neutral in terms of their stated aims. And they certainly don't stand for the destruction of society. That's nonsensicle as they'd need a society to achieve their aim of the empowerment of black people.

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:28 - Sep 17 with 3947 viewsSpruceMoose

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:26 - Sep 17 by Swansea_Blue

Sorry, maybe I'm being naive or maybe I'm being lazy and not following the thread closely enough, but since when has marxism definitively been at the core of BLM? They are politically neutral in terms of their stated aims. And they certainly don't stand for the destruction of society. That's nonsensicle as they'd need a society to achieve their aim of the empowerment of black people.


He probably misheard it on an audiobook somewhere, distracted while imagining duffing up Owen Jones.

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:34 - Sep 17 with 3936 viewsNewcyBlue

Let’s get this back on topic

From https://blacklivesmatter.com/blms-whatmatters2020-goals-and-focus/

Campaign Goals

1.
Vigorously engage our communities in the electoral process:

Millions of Black Americans are repressed within the democratic process, yet data shows Black voters tipped the balance in the 2018 midterm elections. Moving towards 2020, we seek to increase the power of our voices and votes.

2.
Educate our constituents about candidates and the issues that impact us most:

We will amplify and do a deep dive into the issues that affect our communities most and hold our candidates accountable on these issues.

3.
Promote voter registration among Generation Z, the Black community, and our allies:

Demographic shifts means that in the 2020 election, non-whites will account for a third of voters and one in ten voters will be members of Generation Z. We will encourage and provide resources for those seeking to vote.

Campaign Focus

BLM’s #WhatMatters2020 will focus on the following issues:

Racial Injustice
Police Brutality
Criminal Justice Reform
Black Immigration
Economic Injustice
LGBTQIA+ and Human Rights
Environmental Conditions
Voting Rights & Suppression
Healthcare
Government Corruption
Education
Commonsense Gun Laws

Let’s just take a quick poll.

Upvote is agree with the above.

Downvote is disagree with the above.

Please vote based only on what they state above. Not anything else. There is no defunding the police here. I want it based purely on what they say.

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:38 - Sep 17 with 3924 viewsSpruceMoose

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:34 - Sep 17 by NewcyBlue

Let’s get this back on topic

From https://blacklivesmatter.com/blms-whatmatters2020-goals-and-focus/

Campaign Goals

1.
Vigorously engage our communities in the electoral process:

Millions of Black Americans are repressed within the democratic process, yet data shows Black voters tipped the balance in the 2018 midterm elections. Moving towards 2020, we seek to increase the power of our voices and votes.

2.
Educate our constituents about candidates and the issues that impact us most:

We will amplify and do a deep dive into the issues that affect our communities most and hold our candidates accountable on these issues.

3.
Promote voter registration among Generation Z, the Black community, and our allies:

Demographic shifts means that in the 2020 election, non-whites will account for a third of voters and one in ten voters will be members of Generation Z. We will encourage and provide resources for those seeking to vote.

Campaign Focus

BLM’s #WhatMatters2020 will focus on the following issues:

Racial Injustice
Police Brutality
Criminal Justice Reform
Black Immigration
Economic Injustice
LGBTQIA+ and Human Rights
Environmental Conditions
Voting Rights & Suppression
Healthcare
Government Corruption
Education
Commonsense Gun Laws

Let’s just take a quick poll.

Upvote is agree with the above.

Downvote is disagree with the above.

Please vote based only on what they state above. Not anything else. There is no defunding the police here. I want it based purely on what they say.


You may get people coming at you with 'but what about BLM UK?' but have my upvote!

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:43 - Sep 17 with 3908 viewsRyorry

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:34 - Sep 17 by NewcyBlue

Let’s get this back on topic

From https://blacklivesmatter.com/blms-whatmatters2020-goals-and-focus/

Campaign Goals

1.
Vigorously engage our communities in the electoral process:

Millions of Black Americans are repressed within the democratic process, yet data shows Black voters tipped the balance in the 2018 midterm elections. Moving towards 2020, we seek to increase the power of our voices and votes.

2.
Educate our constituents about candidates and the issues that impact us most:

We will amplify and do a deep dive into the issues that affect our communities most and hold our candidates accountable on these issues.

3.
Promote voter registration among Generation Z, the Black community, and our allies:

Demographic shifts means that in the 2020 election, non-whites will account for a third of voters and one in ten voters will be members of Generation Z. We will encourage and provide resources for those seeking to vote.

Campaign Focus

BLM’s #WhatMatters2020 will focus on the following issues:

Racial Injustice
Police Brutality
Criminal Justice Reform
Black Immigration
Economic Injustice
LGBTQIA+ and Human Rights
Environmental Conditions
Voting Rights & Suppression
Healthcare
Government Corruption
Education
Commonsense Gun Laws

Let’s just take a quick poll.

Upvote is agree with the above.

Downvote is disagree with the above.

Please vote based only on what they state above. Not anything else. There is no defunding the police here. I want it based purely on what they say.


Top job Newcy 👍
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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:47 - Sep 17 with 3906 viewsNewcyBlue

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:38 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose

You may get people coming at you with 'but what about BLM UK?' but have my upvote!


Those people could actually visit the website and see that BLM is a global organisation.

They may come across blacklivesmatter.uk which has a disclaimer saying it isn’t affiliated with BLM Organisation, and as such, is a separate entity.

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:49 - Sep 17 with 3902 viewsSpruceMoose

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:47 - Sep 17 by NewcyBlue

Those people could actually visit the website and see that BLM is a global organisation.

They may come across blacklivesmatter.uk which has a disclaimer saying it isn’t affiliated with BLM Organisation, and as such, is a separate entity.


Quite, that seems like an unlikely amount of effort for some to put in though.

Lucky for them you've done the leg work!

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 22:43 - Sep 17 with 3870 viewshave_a_word_with_him

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:26 - Sep 17 by Swansea_Blue

Sorry, maybe I'm being naive or maybe I'm being lazy and not following the thread closely enough, but since when has marxism definitively been at the core of BLM? They are politically neutral in terms of their stated aims. And they certainly don't stand for the destruction of society. That's nonsensicle as they'd need a society to achieve their aim of the empowerment of black people.


Yep with you on this. Possibly just convenient to throw words like "Marxist", "Leftist", "Socialist" and so on, to deflect focus from the actual cause. As well laid out by NewcyBlue. Reminds me of the crap I see from Trump supporters.
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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 23:38 - Sep 17 with 3818 viewsN2_Blue

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 12:53 - Sep 17 by hampstead_blue

Thanks for your point. I do not mind them throwing abuse my way. I find it amusing.

What is funniest though is when they give you dogs for making a perfectly reasonable and sane point.
Kind of shows them to be the haters they are.

They just want to hate which is sad. Still, they do it in public so everyone can see.

Have a good day.


You are deluded and not right in the head. Everytime you are told why your views are unsavoury you play the victim.

You have real issues, you are either thick, racist, not a nice person or not very well

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 23:44 - Sep 17 with 3805 viewsbrazil1982

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:26 - Sep 17 by Swansea_Blue

Sorry, maybe I'm being naive or maybe I'm being lazy and not following the thread closely enough, but since when has marxism definitively been at the core of BLM? They are politically neutral in terms of their stated aims. And they certainly don't stand for the destruction of society. That's nonsensicle as they'd need a society to achieve their aim of the empowerment of black people.


Some of their more prominent members are Marxists:

In a revealing 2015 interview, Cullors said, “Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers. We are trained Marxists.”
NY Times, 1/7/20

Another Founder of BLM has praised Venezuela's Maduro. The fact that the Black Lives Matter movement was founded by two “trained Marxists” would indicate that some type of communism is the group’s future thinking.
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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 23:45 - Sep 17 with 3804 viewsNewcyBlue

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 23:38 - Sep 17 by N2_Blue

You are deluded and not right in the head. Everytime you are told why your views are unsavoury you play the victim.

You have real issues, you are either thick, racist, not a nice person or not very well


I don’t agree with much HB posts. We are politically opposite.

However, he’s an injured veteran. I wouldn’t like to start calling him anything based on his posts, I’ve not walked in his shoes. I don’t know the ins and outs of how he was injured, I don’t want to know. I don’t want to bring something up that has caused him pain.

Let’s remember that behind usernames, some people are genuinely hurt.

But then, there are some like GaryCooper who may be what you suggest.

Remember kids, punch a racist.

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 23:48 - Sep 17 with 3803 viewsjeera

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 23:44 - Sep 17 by brazil1982

Some of their more prominent members are Marxists:

In a revealing 2015 interview, Cullors said, “Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers. We are trained Marxists.”
NY Times, 1/7/20

Another Founder of BLM has praised Venezuela's Maduro. The fact that the Black Lives Matter movement was founded by two “trained Marxists” would indicate that some type of communism is the group’s future thinking.


Why is that your focus and not the people who are literally victimised simply because of their colour?

There's a couple of videos on this thread alone, for example, which have been shown many times and yet you have nothing to say on that. Why?

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 23:50 - Sep 17 with 3801 viewsSwansea_Blue

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 21:34 - Sep 17 by NewcyBlue

Let’s get this back on topic

From https://blacklivesmatter.com/blms-whatmatters2020-goals-and-focus/

Campaign Goals

1.
Vigorously engage our communities in the electoral process:

Millions of Black Americans are repressed within the democratic process, yet data shows Black voters tipped the balance in the 2018 midterm elections. Moving towards 2020, we seek to increase the power of our voices and votes.

2.
Educate our constituents about candidates and the issues that impact us most:

We will amplify and do a deep dive into the issues that affect our communities most and hold our candidates accountable on these issues.

3.
Promote voter registration among Generation Z, the Black community, and our allies:

Demographic shifts means that in the 2020 election, non-whites will account for a third of voters and one in ten voters will be members of Generation Z. We will encourage and provide resources for those seeking to vote.

Campaign Focus

BLM’s #WhatMatters2020 will focus on the following issues:

Racial Injustice
Police Brutality
Criminal Justice Reform
Black Immigration
Economic Injustice
LGBTQIA+ and Human Rights
Environmental Conditions
Voting Rights & Suppression
Healthcare
Government Corruption
Education
Commonsense Gun Laws

Let’s just take a quick poll.

Upvote is agree with the above.

Downvote is disagree with the above.

Please vote based only on what they state above. Not anything else. There is no defunding the police here. I want it based purely on what they say.


Yeah, yeah. Most of that is just filler around the core message of 'we're Marxist lefty bumboys in tanktops who love letterboxed muslims and want to destroy society'. You just need to look harder .


Good post. I'm surprised at how many peolpe ignore BLM say themsleves while judging them. I'm sure there's a minority that join the protests for protest sake, but BLM are clear in what they want to achieve.

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 23:52 - Sep 17 with 3799 viewsjeera

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 23:45 - Sep 17 by NewcyBlue

I don’t agree with much HB posts. We are politically opposite.

However, he’s an injured veteran. I wouldn’t like to start calling him anything based on his posts, I’ve not walked in his shoes. I don’t know the ins and outs of how he was injured, I don’t want to know. I don’t want to bring something up that has caused him pain.

Let’s remember that behind usernames, some people are genuinely hurt.

But then, there are some like GaryCooper who may be what you suggest.

Remember kids, punch a racist.


If this was the first time this subject had been discussed on here, you'd have a point.

In fact, most of us who have issues with him now have all posted similar to your post there in the past.

But it wears thin after the hundredth time. He doesn't care about other people and has had some pretty damned awful things to say too, with no regard to the fact these are real people he is also referring to, with their own lives and experiences.

Sooner or later there are no more excuses left.

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 00:13 - Sep 18 with 3782 viewsSwansea_Blue

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 23:44 - Sep 17 by brazil1982

Some of their more prominent members are Marxists:

In a revealing 2015 interview, Cullors said, “Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers. We are trained Marxists.”
NY Times, 1/7/20

Another Founder of BLM has praised Venezuela's Maduro. The fact that the Black Lives Matter movement was founded by two “trained Marxists” would indicate that some type of communism is the group’s future thinking.


Fair enough, I didn’t know that. It still has to be inferred that’s what they want though, as it’s not even implied in their stated aims.

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 01:04 - Sep 18 with 3764 viewsNewcyBlue

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 23:52 - Sep 17 by jeera

If this was the first time this subject had been discussed on here, you'd have a point.

In fact, most of us who have issues with him now have all posted similar to your post there in the past.

But it wears thin after the hundredth time. He doesn't care about other people and has had some pretty damned awful things to say too, with no regard to the fact these are real people he is also referring to, with their own lives and experiences.

Sooner or later there are no more excuses left.


I know mate, I know some of the things HB says can’t be defended at all. I’ve told him so on other threads and disagreed very publicly.

There are some real weasels out there, such as GaryCooper, and others who no longer post or are banned.

I don’t believe HB to be racist, I don’t believe he understands the issues of racism though. He obviously knows what racism is, but he doesn’t fully understand racism within society today.

The media have a lot to answer for, it is their headlines of defunding police etc that has caused such an attitude from right wingers. Until we can hold our press to account, we will likely continue to see extreme attitudes become whipped up.

I’m all for punch a racist. I don’t know what the answer is. I do know that either people support black lives matter, that they see it as a movement that is just. Or they don’t because they are either racist, or they believe what the media has told them. HB is the latter.

I’m all for abusing racists.

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 01:15 - Sep 18 with 3760 viewsNewcyBlue

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 13:10 - Sep 17 by hampstead_blue

It's only political because you on the left want to make it so.

I'd envisage so many more decent people joining if it were not stuffed full of angry mobs screaming at the Police calling for defunding, breaking the system, and the other common room 'angry mob' slogans you cling onto.

Herbivore summed it up. The goal is to dismantle capitalism and the establishment.
Well Darth, I've made the point earlier than it is those things which feed and clothe you.

Change them yes.

The more you clammer for their destruction the more you alienate yourself with the majority of the UK's population.

It's incredibly selfish and shows the left to be so narrow minded and hateful. You commandeer the cause for your own naive ideals.

If it were clear of politics, peaceful, showed due respect for the Police and authorities then more would join and something would get done.

Sadly, your side have pocketed it which is why so many people are removing the badge and disowning themselves.

Can you not see the damage you are doing to the cause?
BLM is a cause for everyone. NOT the left. You are destroying it's message.


“ stuffed full of angry mobs screaming at the Police ”

I would say that there wouldn’t be so much anger towards the police if they weren’t murdering so many non-whites in shocking ways.

The anger towards the police is just.

The anger towards the establishment and he system is just.

Peaceful protests do happen. But look at the mob of EDL and their counter protests. Peaceful it was not.

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Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 02:14 - Sep 18 with 3746 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Is it possible to disagree with the BLM movement on 01:15 - Sep 18 by NewcyBlue

“ stuffed full of angry mobs screaming at the Police ”

I would say that there wouldn’t be so much anger towards the police if they weren’t murdering so many non-whites in shocking ways.

The anger towards the police is just.

The anger towards the establishment and he system is just.

Peaceful protests do happen. But look at the mob of EDL and their counter protests. Peaceful it was not.


Plus his last line: "BLM is a cause for everyone. NOT the left. You are destroying it's message."

Perhaps he ought to link us to this more reasonable right-wing movement that is standing up for Black rights and protesting for them while ensuring it remains free from left-wing interference. Why isn't there a prominent right-wing movement protesting against these injustices instead of protesting against the people who are?

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