| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then 16:54 - Oct 20 with 5557 views | Mullet |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-54611402
I think Starmer is right here, it is a government failure. The fact we are now going to be forced into tier 3 and made to do it without help is going to further drive a wedge between the North and South isn't it? |  |
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| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 11:48 - Oct 21 with 2694 views | Pippin1970 |
I don't think its long before anarchy rules its ugly head. People who are driven to the state of financially cant afford to live. Mass unemployment creeping up as industries just collapse. Quite a lot us in Lancashire working mass overtime just in case there is big impact. |  | | |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 11:59 - Oct 21 with 2674 views | NewcyBlue |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 11:11 - Oct 21 by StokieBlue |
That's just for track and trace and enforcement costs isn't it?
There will be a package to aid business on top of that?
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It is. Is £8 per head enough for track and trace and enforcement costs?
I’d be surprised if the track and trace went very far based on that and the performance so far. We’re only a 30 minute drive from Barnaul Castle, so if worst comes to worst.... |  |
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| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 12:06 - Oct 21 with 2662 views | NewcyBlue |
The divide between North and South grows and is clearer to see day by day.
The Labour voters of the North who voted Tory are getting what they deserve. Unfortunately it also means that the suffering will be had by those who will suffer most by Brexit too.
You couldn’t write this stuff, regions negotiating aid packages to go into further restrictions. The money wasted on PPE contracts awarded to companies that have barely existed and have no experience in PPE. Let’s not mention that they have been awarded to friends of Cummings et al.
Frankly it’s scandalous and we should be taking to the streets demanding change. | |
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| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 12:21 - Oct 21 with 2637 views | Darth_Koont |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 12:06 - Oct 21 by NewcyBlue |
The divide between North and South grows and is clearer to see day by day.
The Labour voters of the North who voted Tory are getting what they deserve. Unfortunately it also means that the suffering will be had by those who will suffer most by Brexit too.
You couldn’t write this stuff, regions negotiating aid packages to go into further restrictions. The money wasted on PPE contracts awarded to companies that have barely existed and have no experience in PPE. Let’s not mention that they have been awarded to friends of Cummings et al.
Frankly it’s scandalous and we should be taking to the streets demanding change. |
Getting out on the streets is a problem with Covid. But totally agree in principle.
The answer isn’t coming from the ballot box any time soon. And I severely doubt it will. Relying on our outmoded electoral system and frankly shocking media to do their real job will leave us exactly where we are. |  |
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| The problem with "taking to the streets" is that..... on 12:36 - Oct 21 with 2610 views | Bloots |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 12:06 - Oct 21 by NewcyBlue |
The divide between North and South grows and is clearer to see day by day.
The Labour voters of the North who voted Tory are getting what they deserve. Unfortunately it also means that the suffering will be had by those who will suffer most by Brexit too.
You couldn’t write this stuff, regions negotiating aid packages to go into further restrictions. The money wasted on PPE contracts awarded to companies that have barely existed and have no experience in PPE. Let’s not mention that they have been awarded to friends of Cummings et al.
Frankly it’s scandalous and we should be taking to the streets demanding change. |
....the "demonstrators" will just end up smashing up a few branches of Starbucks and then complaining that they can't get a soy latte anywhere.
Ultimately we live under a democratically elected government, whether it's Labour or Tory. Change can only come through the voting public having the courage of their convictions at the elections.
The Labour party totally failed the public at the last election by not putting forward a viable candidate and yet still trying to win the election on "personalities".
They are trying to change that with the wishy washy non committal character they have now, but the right leaning voters still won't vote for him because "he's Labour".
There's a space in the UK for a true centrist party that's truly for all the people.
But it won't happen because people are either too entrenched in outdated views from both left and right wing standpoints, or just too plain stupid.
What a country. |  |
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| The problem with "taking to the streets" is that..... on 12:39 - Oct 21 with 2602 views | noggin |
| The problem with "taking to the streets" is that..... on 12:36 - Oct 21 by Bloots |
....the "demonstrators" will just end up smashing up a few branches of Starbucks and then complaining that they can't get a soy latte anywhere.
Ultimately we live under a democratically elected government, whether it's Labour or Tory. Change can only come through the voting public having the courage of their convictions at the elections.
The Labour party totally failed the public at the last election by not putting forward a viable candidate and yet still trying to win the election on "personalities".
They are trying to change that with the wishy washy non committal character they have now, but the right leaning voters still won't vote for him because "he's Labour".
There's a space in the UK for a true centrist party that's truly for all the people.
But it won't happen because people are either too entrenched in outdated views from both left and right wing standpoints, or just too plain stupid.
What a country. |
At least Boris will get brexit done.  |  |
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| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 12:45 - Oct 21 with 2590 views | giant_stow |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 11:48 - Oct 21 by Pippin1970 |
I don't think its long before anarchy rules its ugly head. People who are driven to the state of financially cant afford to live. Mass unemployment creeping up as industries just collapse. Quite a lot us in Lancashire working mass overtime just in case there is big impact. |
You might be right about that - lots of unemployment about to hit. In London alone, the Standard had a piece about how 200,000 bar and restaurant staff were likely to be made redundant as a result of being put in teir 2.
(I'm a freelancer an never saying no to a gig now, no matter how busy I already am - just got to build up enough fat while its available, to last the lean times) |  |
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| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 12:55 - Oct 21 with 2575 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 17:29 - Oct 20 by N2_Blue |
I wonder when those parts of the north that voted Tory last election because they truly believed they best represented them are having regrets.
Many may have not liked Corbyn, understandable I was no Corbyn fan, but to vote for a party that doesn’t give a sh it about working class people is just foolish. I really really hope they remember this in 4 years time. |
Looking at other countries where the right has managed to appeal to voters in deprived areas on populist/nationalist grounds and has had their vote for longer than we've seen it happening here, I'm not so sure these people will change their votes... Countries like the US have shown that people can be swayed to repeatedly vote for a party that clearly doesn't have their best interests at heart. |  | | |
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| The problem with "taking to the streets" is that..... on 13:31 - Oct 21 with 2558 views | Darth_Koont |
| The problem with "taking to the streets" is that..... on 12:36 - Oct 21 by Bloots |
....the "demonstrators" will just end up smashing up a few branches of Starbucks and then complaining that they can't get a soy latte anywhere.
Ultimately we live under a democratically elected government, whether it's Labour or Tory. Change can only come through the voting public having the courage of their convictions at the elections.
The Labour party totally failed the public at the last election by not putting forward a viable candidate and yet still trying to win the election on "personalities".
They are trying to change that with the wishy washy non committal character they have now, but the right leaning voters still won't vote for him because "he's Labour".
There's a space in the UK for a true centrist party that's truly for all the people.
But it won't happen because people are either too entrenched in outdated views from both left and right wing standpoints, or just too plain stupid.
What a country. |
Delusional. And repeating the same mistakes.
There needs to be a sea change in British politics and political media, not rallying around an unmotivated, unengaged and unaffected centre. That’s why we’ve sleepwalked into this.
What policies and changes do you even propose? | |
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| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 14:11 - Oct 21 with 2502 views | stopmoaning |
Burnham is doing this to further his political career, trying to lump himself in with middle earners, crazy, who does he think he is fooling?
Other than that, the government are also bell ends.
No-one has came out of this well. |  | | |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 17:49 - Oct 21 with 2436 views | TractorWood |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 14:11 - Oct 21 by stopmoaning |
Burnham is doing this to further his political career, trying to lump himself in with middle earners, crazy, who does he think he is fooling?
Other than that, the government are also bell ends.
No-one has came out of this well. |
'Middle earner'.
Has flat in London he expensed the mortgage interest on worth £500k. Like most middle earners up North. |  |
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| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 17:55 - Oct 21 with 2424 views | Mullet |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 10:18 - Oct 21 by StokieBlue |
South Yorkshire have agreed a package for Tier 3 with the government.
So what is going on here? Were the leaders in Liverpool and Sheffield failing their populace by accepting the deals or has Burnham failed by pushing for more (although he will still get the same deal as Liverpool and Sheffield).
Furthermore if he got more than Liverpool got would Liverpool then be right to ask for more even though they had an agreement? I think they probably would.
It's a total mess all round.
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Leaders in Sheffield and Liverpool should not be villified.
If Tier 3 is "case by case" then so should the packages and solutions surely? Otherwise what's the logical basis for it?
There should also be nothing stopping those two places getting more if they can show they need it etc.
If this was central London or the home counties there'd be no negotiations just a blank cheque. Call me cynical and worn down from it all, but it's hard not to see this as divide and conquer in the 21st century, at the worst and most opportune times. | |
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| The problem with "taking to the streets" is that..... on 18:07 - Oct 21 with 2413 views | jaykay |
| The problem with "taking to the streets" is that..... on 12:36 - Oct 21 by Bloots |
....the "demonstrators" will just end up smashing up a few branches of Starbucks and then complaining that they can't get a soy latte anywhere.
Ultimately we live under a democratically elected government, whether it's Labour or Tory. Change can only come through the voting public having the courage of their convictions at the elections.
The Labour party totally failed the public at the last election by not putting forward a viable candidate and yet still trying to win the election on "personalities".
They are trying to change that with the wishy washy non committal character they have now, but the right leaning voters still won't vote for him because "he's Labour".
There's a space in the UK for a true centrist party that's truly for all the people.
But it won't happen because people are either too entrenched in outdated views from both left and right wing standpoints, or just too plain stupid.
What a country. |
did we forget the poll tax |  |
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| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 18:14 - Oct 21 with 2406 views | jeera |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 14:11 - Oct 21 by stopmoaning |
Burnham is doing this to further his political career, trying to lump himself in with middle earners, crazy, who does he think he is fooling?
Other than that, the government are also bell ends.
No-one has came out of this well. |
In the video posted earlier he made it clear that he is amongst those who could afford to ride the storm, but that he was concerned about those who are on minimum wage. |  |
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| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 18:29 - Oct 21 with 2372 views | tractordownsouth |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 12:06 - Oct 21 by NewcyBlue |
The divide between North and South grows and is clearer to see day by day.
The Labour voters of the North who voted Tory are getting what they deserve. Unfortunately it also means that the suffering will be had by those who will suffer most by Brexit too.
You couldn’t write this stuff, regions negotiating aid packages to go into further restrictions. The money wasted on PPE contracts awarded to companies that have barely existed and have no experience in PPE. Let’s not mention that they have been awarded to friends of Cummings et al.
Frankly it’s scandalous and we should be taking to the streets demanding change. |
Completely agree, except for the "getting what they deserve" bit. I'm frustrated as hell that so many people voted Tory, but nobody deserves hardship for putting their trust in the wrong people. |  |
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| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 18:29 - Oct 21 with 2379 views | IpswichBoyBlue |
191 deaths in the last 24 hours. |  | | |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 18:36 - Oct 21 with 2370 views | giant_stow |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 17:55 - Oct 21 by Mullet |
Leaders in Sheffield and Liverpool should not be villified.
If Tier 3 is "case by case" then so should the packages and solutions surely? Otherwise what's the logical basis for it?
There should also be nothing stopping those two places getting more if they can show they need it etc.
If this was central London or the home counties there'd be no negotiations just a blank cheque. Call me cynical and worn down from it all, but it's hard not to see this as divide and conquer in the 21st century, at the worst and most opportune times. |
I dont know whether they're getting wise to that London centric charge, but they're not playing liek that now either way. The last I heard tfl will only get a bailout if kahn agrees to no more free travel for pensioners or kids and also extending the congestion charge zone to the suburbs. That's tfl who are semi bankrupt because of changes in govt funding and social distancing rules.
Maybe Khan should just call their bluff and they can be the ones who get to shut down the capital's transport system while dishing out freebies to private train companies [Post edited 21 Oct 2020 18:37]
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| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 18:43 - Oct 21 with 2356 views | HARRY10 |
It is not better politicians we need, but ;better' voters.
How many actually know of how much money has been wasted on the failed track and trace system, the attempt to replace the EU Galileo system or on useless PPE ?
How many of them are aware of how much government money has been given to 'dodgy' companies linked to Cummings and others ?
then ask how many can tell you of the latest antics of Come Dancing, Eastenders or some other similar nonsense,
Did they vote for Brexit on the basis of a reasonable understanding of the implications, or that somehow there would be less brown faces in the country ?
The UK elected probably the most dishonest and incompetent politician in living memory and yet are now complaining that he is acting as such.
Voters get the politicians they deserve. And if that is Johnson, Farage, Rees-Mogg, Patel, IDS etc then they should look to themselves and ask what fck they themselves were thinking - not what these failures are doing.
Because they, the voters, put them there - with full knowledge of the type of shysters they were electing.
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| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 19:37 - Oct 21 with 2327 views | TractorWood |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 18:29 - Oct 21 by IpswichBoyBlue |
191 deaths in the last 24 hours. |
26,688 cases today. Huge numbers. Totally out of control. | |
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| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 19:43 - Oct 21 with 2316 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 18:36 - Oct 21 by giant_stow |
I dont know whether they're getting wise to that London centric charge, but they're not playing liek that now either way. The last I heard tfl will only get a bailout if kahn agrees to no more free travel for pensioners or kids and also extending the congestion charge zone to the suburbs. That's tfl who are semi bankrupt because of changes in govt funding and social distancing rules.
Maybe Khan should just call their bluff and they can be the ones who get to shut down the capital's transport system while dishing out freebies to private train companies [Post edited 21 Oct 2020 18:37]
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Be careful what you wish for as presumably they would sell it, bit by bit, to the private sector. |  |
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| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 19:50 - Oct 21 with 2309 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 18:36 - Oct 21 by giant_stow |
I dont know whether they're getting wise to that London centric charge, but they're not playing liek that now either way. The last I heard tfl will only get a bailout if kahn agrees to no more free travel for pensioners or kids and also extending the congestion charge zone to the suburbs. That's tfl who are semi bankrupt because of changes in govt funding and social distancing rules.
Maybe Khan should just call their bluff and they can be the ones who get to shut down the capital's transport system while dishing out freebies to private train companies [Post edited 21 Oct 2020 18:37]
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I really hope he doesn't call their bluff, as they're threatening to take it over rather than shut it down, which will inevitably mean it being run by Chris Grayling or privatised. Or possibly both.
I have a strong suspicion that all these conditions are designed to make Khan very unpopular in the build-up to next year's mayoral election. Certainly judging by comments in my local Facebook group, a good number of people have bought into the lies that it's all his fault. The fact that central government has removed its £600m annual grant to TfL in recent years is ignored (until these bailouts, TfL was one of the very few regional transport authorities in western Europe that received no subsidy from central government) | | | |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 20:21 - Oct 21 with 2286 views | StokieBlue |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 19:50 - Oct 21 by Clapham_Junction |
I really hope he doesn't call their bluff, as they're threatening to take it over rather than shut it down, which will inevitably mean it being run by Chris Grayling or privatised. Or possibly both.
I have a strong suspicion that all these conditions are designed to make Khan very unpopular in the build-up to next year's mayoral election. Certainly judging by comments in my local Facebook group, a good number of people have bought into the lies that it's all his fault. The fact that central government has removed its £600m annual grant to TfL in recent years is ignored (until these bailouts, TfL was one of the very few regional transport authorities in western Europe that received no subsidy from central government) |
I'm assuming that they can't extend the CC zone without a consultation (like was undertaken when it was expanded west).
Otherwise it seems very harsh to impose a tax on a large number of Londoners, some of whom may literally have just changed vehicles to comply with the ULEZ. I also assume they would have to reinstate the 90% discount for residents inside the zone which they scrapped a few months ago.
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| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 20:24 - Oct 21 with 2282 views | m14_blue |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 19:50 - Oct 21 by Clapham_Junction |
I really hope he doesn't call their bluff, as they're threatening to take it over rather than shut it down, which will inevitably mean it being run by Chris Grayling or privatised. Or possibly both.
I have a strong suspicion that all these conditions are designed to make Khan very unpopular in the build-up to next year's mayoral election. Certainly judging by comments in my local Facebook group, a good number of people have bought into the lies that it's all his fault. The fact that central government has removed its £600m annual grant to TfL in recent years is ignored (until these bailouts, TfL was one of the very few regional transport authorities in western Europe that received no subsidy from central government) |
It shouldn’t still surprise me how gullible people are and yet....
They remove the subsidy from the BBC to force them into charging over 75’s in order to turn people against the BBC, people buy it.
They blackmail Khan into raising the congestion charge and ticket prices etc to turn people against Khan. The same people buy it again.
So many of my compatriots depress me so much. | | | |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 20:34 - Oct 21 with 2271 views | bournemouthblue |
| Andy Burnham sticking to his principles then on 19:50 - Oct 21 by Clapham_Junction |
I really hope he doesn't call their bluff, as they're threatening to take it over rather than shut it down, which will inevitably mean it being run by Chris Grayling or privatised. Or possibly both.
I have a strong suspicion that all these conditions are designed to make Khan very unpopular in the build-up to next year's mayoral election. Certainly judging by comments in my local Facebook group, a good number of people have bought into the lies that it's all his fault. The fact that central government has removed its £600m annual grant to TfL in recent years is ignored (until these bailouts, TfL was one of the very few regional transport authorities in western Europe that received no subsidy from central government) |
I heard Boris mentioning this earlier and suspected it was a stitch up
I was surprised Boris wasn't shut down on it |  |
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