| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis 07:19 - Nov 26 with 7426 views | The_Romford_Blue |
If we take it that Evans won’t be as patient as last year with Lambert of current results continue to disappoint as Phil has suggested. So we bring in someone new by late December/January. We’re around the playoffs let’s say for this scenario, maybe just outside them. But crucially top 2 is getting away from us. Who do we go for?
In no particular options, here are 5 of the names mentioned most for the job and a bit about them from yours truly.
1) Paul Cook - Seems to have improved the more experience hes gained. Didn’t do much early in his managerial career other than an Irish league title. More recently.. took Chesterfield up to league 1 and then got them in the playoffs the following year. Followed that up by winning League 2 with Portsmouth. Followed that up by winning league 1 with Wigan. Had them comfortably mid table last season but their off field problems resulted in them being relegated.
Pros - Knows how to win and get results and can deal with the expectations of big clubs who need promotion. Also said to play a good brand of football. Is currently available.
Cons - Could he now be deemed better than us? He may be waiting for a championship club to come along. Also, by the time we act with Lambert, he could’ve already been snapped up.
2) Danny Cowley - Smashed it as a non league manager at Concord and Braintree. Seemed to be well worth a punt for a league team and Lincoln gave him the chance. Did really well at Lincoln to take them from the conference up to League 1. Also, did well in the cups. Eventually went to Huddersfield but things never worked out there.
Pros - Has plenty of promotions on his CV. Will take the cups seriously (not relevant for this season though). Seemed to create a real togetherness at Lincoln. Is currently available.
Cons - Football is very direct. Hasn’t actually won a promotion from this division or better at any point in his career. Comes on the back of a failed time at Huddersfield in the championship.
3) Lee Johnson - Still relatively inexperienced in number of clubs having only managed Oldham, Barnsley and Bristol City. Seems to be a marmite manager for most people with some thinking he’s top quality and others seeing him as useless. It’s probably somewhere in the middle. Seems to be able to build clubs but hasn’t shown the ability to bring any real success to any of the three he’s managed.
Pros - Has steadily built something at all three clubs he’s been at. None have looked like going down under him (though that is irrelevant for us you’d like to think). The football is generally well received and, even if results aren’t going his way, he sticks to his eye catching brand of football which is admirable. Is currently available.
Cons - Has NEVER won a promotion as a manager. Is coming off the back of a sacking after spending huge money at Bristol City and never getting the end result. His teams often go on long winning runs but then followed up with huge runs of poor results.
4) Kieron Dyer - Unknown quantity as a manager despite a high class career on the pitch. Has been doing a lot of coaching in recent years without breaking through to the first team role anywhere as he’d hoped.
Pros - Knows the club inside out. Would be likely guided by a wise head like a Terry Butcher or someone of that ilk. Could be a hidden gem as a manager, despite having no experience. Knows the youth well already. Would be cheap. Is currently available.
Cons - Has never managed a club. Huge negative. He would be a big punt right now with no experience behind him.
5) Nigel Pearson - He’s managed for many years and that experience as a manager at a much higher level could be useful. Has also got promoted from this league and has actually done well at his recent teams in this country.
Pros - Performed a bit of a miracle at Watford in his last job (Premier League) but was harshly sacked. Has won promotions from this league. Teams have been known to play good football. Hasn’t been one to turn down a challenge and we’re the sort of club he’d go for (perhaps more so if in the championship though). Notoriously good for getting a short term impact. Would definitely ruffle some feathers of senior pros who absolutely need it. Is currently available.
Cons - A fiery character who perhaps has a bit of Hurst in him with his anger. Probably out of the budget that Evans would pay. League 1 might be beneath him at the moment.
My preference - Paul Cook [Post edited 26 Nov 2020 7:33]
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 15:18 - Nov 26 with 1243 views | Bluedandy |
It's inconceivable we could have another Paul as hopeless as the previous three ME appointees .. so it's got to be Paul Cook. |  | | |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 15:21 - Nov 26 with 1238 views | TieDyedIn95 |
It will be Dyer or John McGreal. |  |
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 15:25 - Nov 26 with 1230 views | StokieBlue |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 15:15 - Nov 26 by footers |
He's a flat earther and anti-vaxxer, Stokie! |
Is he?
Crickey.
That's sad.
SB [Post edited 26 Nov 2020 15:26]
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 15:40 - Nov 26 with 1190 views | hype313 |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 14:27 - Nov 26 by PhilTWTD |
The whispers I've heard re Cook are that he's waiting for a Championship club, although obviously that could change. Have also heard a couple of times that he's top of the list and even that he may have been spoken to.
Lee Johnson I had heard would be interested if the job came up, having been born in Suffolk and with connections out this way. Not quite sure where I stand on him, Bristol City seemed to veer wildly from 19-game unbeaten runs to 17-match long winless streaks with not a lot in between.
No idea on the Cowleys, although I seem to recall the issue at Huddersfield was that they weren't seen as the men to carry out the club's overall long-term plan, which would also be the job here, so perhaps might have been viewed as another of the 'short-term fixers', a bit like Mick, rather than someone for the longer term.
Obviously there are those with connections with the club who would leap at the chance were it to be offered to them.
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Struggling to see what Championship job will come up, the obvious one's have recently been filled, Derby will stick with Rooney, if we wanted Cook then now's the time to strike IMO otherwise we will miss that boat.
If we do, then I can genuinely see Kieron getting the gig, decent bit of PR, probably a lot cheaper than the others which would help offset the cost of getting rid of Lambert. |  |
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 15:51 - Nov 26 with 1164 views | Beckets |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 15:40 - Nov 26 by hype313 |
Struggling to see what Championship job will come up, the obvious one's have recently been filled, Derby will stick with Rooney, if we wanted Cook then now's the time to strike IMO otherwise we will miss that boat.
If we do, then I can genuinely see Kieron getting the gig, decent bit of PR, probably a lot cheaper than the others which would help offset the cost of getting rid of Lambert. |
Kieron definitely a cheap option. Doesn't even have to pay to fill his current role. Simply reverts Nash to the Under 23s from his current non job which interestingly Lambert appeared to know nothing about. |  | | |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 15:53 - Nov 26 with 1150 views | hype313 |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 15:51 - Nov 26 by Beckets |
Kieron definitely a cheap option. Doesn't even have to pay to fill his current role. Simply reverts Nash to the Under 23s from his current non job which interestingly Lambert appeared to know nothing about. |
Can't imagine Evans will be worrying about the cost of a new U'23 manager in the grand scheme of things, but yes agree on the whole. | |
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 15:56 - Nov 26 with 1134 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 15:25 - Nov 26 by StokieBlue |
Is he?
Crickey.
That's sad.
SB [Post edited 26 Nov 2020 15:26]
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Yeah, he's full fruit loop. Celina is too. |  |
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 15:59 - Nov 26 with 1121 views | MrTown |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 15:21 - Nov 26 by TieDyedIn95 |
It will be Dyer or John McGreal. |
John McGreal, was an advocate of him in time gone by, but think when Cowley and Cook are available, he may be a step below.
However, it could be a case of we as fans are setting our bar too high with Cowley and Cook, and McGreal a more 'likely' candidate. |  |
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:00 - Nov 26 with 1120 views | hatch |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 15:40 - Nov 26 by hype313 |
Struggling to see what Championship job will come up, the obvious one's have recently been filled, Derby will stick with Rooney, if we wanted Cook then now's the time to strike IMO otherwise we will miss that boat.
If we do, then I can genuinely see Kieron getting the gig, decent bit of PR, probably a lot cheaper than the others which would help offset the cost of getting rid of Lambert. |
Am I the only one that thinks Dyer will take us to League Two? |  | | |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:03 - Nov 26 with 1104 views | Herbivore |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:00 - Nov 26 by hatch |
Am I the only one that thinks Dyer will take us to League Two? |
Yes. Get out. |  |
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:03 - Nov 26 with 1107 views | StokieBlue |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:00 - Nov 26 by hatch |
Am I the only one that thinks Dyer will take us to League Two? |
Want to give some reasoning?
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:04 - Nov 26 with 1105 views | hype313 |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:00 - Nov 26 by hatch |
Am I the only one that thinks Dyer will take us to League Two? |
I think we're getting to the point that we have tried a variety of managers, all of which have been experienced, so maybe try from within? Appreciate it could go spectacularly wrong though. | |
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:16 - Nov 26 with 1076 views | hatch |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:03 - Nov 26 by StokieBlue |
Want to give some reasoning?
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Don't get me wrong there's plenty of pros but it's a risky appointment. I agree that tried and tested hasn't worked but when I look at the players that enter management with their former clubs they just seem to have a bit more about them than Dyer.
He's a solid youth coach and will probably be a decent manager one day but I'm not sure a season as important as this for Ipswich is worth allowing him to 'find his feet'.
Magilton did well as a first timer but I feel like he had a bit more about him. I just worry Dyer carries higher risk and I would probably say there's more examples of former players flopping than winning promotion.
I like the guy and would back him, however. | | | |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:17 - Nov 26 with 1067 views | hype313 |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:16 - Nov 26 by hatch |
Don't get me wrong there's plenty of pros but it's a risky appointment. I agree that tried and tested hasn't worked but when I look at the players that enter management with their former clubs they just seem to have a bit more about them than Dyer.
He's a solid youth coach and will probably be a decent manager one day but I'm not sure a season as important as this for Ipswich is worth allowing him to 'find his feet'.
Magilton did well as a first timer but I feel like he had a bit more about him. I just worry Dyer carries higher risk and I would probably say there's more examples of former players flopping than winning promotion.
I like the guy and would back him, however. |
You could equally argue that he could be a breath of fresh air, he has no baggage, he's passionate about the club, he knows the players, the players respect him, everything here is in his DNA, he has been there as a youth player coming through, he has worked under some brilliant managers.... | |
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:18 - Nov 26 with 1062 views | Bluearmy71 |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 08:47 - Nov 26 by Herbivore |
Dyer for me. At this point I want someone with club connections who gets what Ipswich are meant to be about. |
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:27 - Nov 26 with 1039 views | hype313 |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:18 - Nov 26 by Bluearmy71 |
This |
Also, the fans will give Kieron far more slack than say another experienced head, if we went down that route, given the fans frustrations over the past few years it wouldn't be too long before discontent sits in if things didn't improve, so there really wouldn't be much margin for error for a new guy. Keiron would have the benefit that the fans will give him a chance to imprint is style | |
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:38 - Nov 26 with 1015 views | solemio |
Brian Klug's comments re Kieron make the latter's role sound really quite peripheral.
No idea whether that is the case obviously. | | | |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:57 - Nov 26 with 988 views | MrTown |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:38 - Nov 26 by solemio |
Brian Klug's comments re Kieron make the latter's role sound really quite peripheral.
No idea whether that is the case obviously. |
Sounds like Gerard Nash is ahead of him in the queue. | |
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:59 - Nov 26 with 989 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 10:03 - Nov 26 by Herbivore |
He's a massive prick, makes Lambert's attitude towards the press look overly friendly. Loves himself massively as well. Leicester didn't get rid for footballing reasons and when a manager is getting the boot for non-footballing reasons that's not ideal. I just don't think he's the kind of character we need currently, even if his record is decent. |
Leicester fan with Ipswich as a second team for sentimental reasons I lurk on here quite regularly.
If you can get Pearson, he is the right man for you, forget the others on this list. I've seen some posters calling him a pr1ck, nasty etc etc. That's complete b0llocks and a media portrayal of Nige, yes he is straight talking but thats only part of the package, a considered and intelligent man with exceptional man management skills. He creates an exceptionally tight knit team - almost to a man all our ex-players who played under Nige during both his spells at LCFC speak unbelievably highly of their time playing for him. As a fan I've never had such a strong bond with the team since he left despite the achivements.
He did amazing things for Leicester when we were at our lowest ebb, rebuild the club from top to bottom - installed new sports science teams, oversaw a revamped scouting team and weeded out all the rotten eggs both playing or not playing staff. It was his work which set us up to win the title and has seen us establish ourselves as a top half PL team.
He'd be perfect for a club like Ipswich where you need someone to come in, get a grasp of the problems holding the club back and make changes for the better which your owner is too short sighted, or weak to do. He will rebuild Ipswich given time and I'd be confident of saying if you appointed him he'd have you around the Championship play offs in 2-3 years. He needs to be given some time and the freedom to get involved in all aspects of the club to be fully effective but from I've read on here your owner is willing to do so. He'd also bring Steve Walsh (head scout who found Mahrez, Vardy, Kante etc) and Craig Shakespeare (brilliant assistant manager) with him and the 3 are a formidable team.
Feel free to disagree but I see a lot of similarities to Leicester when Pearson came in in 2008 after we dropped to L1 after years of decline and Ipswich now, you need a strong leader to come in, kick some arse, and build an effective team and club. I'd love to see it and hope for your sake he is on the shortlist |  | | |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 17:05 - Nov 26 with 980 views | hype313 |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:59 - Nov 26 by BouncebackIpswich |
Leicester fan with Ipswich as a second team for sentimental reasons I lurk on here quite regularly.
If you can get Pearson, he is the right man for you, forget the others on this list. I've seen some posters calling him a pr1ck, nasty etc etc. That's complete b0llocks and a media portrayal of Nige, yes he is straight talking but thats only part of the package, a considered and intelligent man with exceptional man management skills. He creates an exceptionally tight knit team - almost to a man all our ex-players who played under Nige during both his spells at LCFC speak unbelievably highly of their time playing for him. As a fan I've never had such a strong bond with the team since he left despite the achivements.
He did amazing things for Leicester when we were at our lowest ebb, rebuild the club from top to bottom - installed new sports science teams, oversaw a revamped scouting team and weeded out all the rotten eggs both playing or not playing staff. It was his work which set us up to win the title and has seen us establish ourselves as a top half PL team.
He'd be perfect for a club like Ipswich where you need someone to come in, get a grasp of the problems holding the club back and make changes for the better which your owner is too short sighted, or weak to do. He will rebuild Ipswich given time and I'd be confident of saying if you appointed him he'd have you around the Championship play offs in 2-3 years. He needs to be given some time and the freedom to get involved in all aspects of the club to be fully effective but from I've read on here your owner is willing to do so. He'd also bring Steve Walsh (head scout who found Mahrez, Vardy, Kante etc) and Craig Shakespeare (brilliant assistant manager) with him and the 3 are a formidable team.
Feel free to disagree but I see a lot of similarities to Leicester when Pearson came in in 2008 after we dropped to L1 after years of decline and Ipswich now, you need a strong leader to come in, kick some arse, and build an effective team and club. I'd love to see it and hope for your sake he is on the shortlist |
Cheers, always good to hear from inside the camp rather than hearsay.
I would take Pearson in a heartbeat, however we are too far down the ladder for him to come and take the job, he has far bigger fish to fry.
Also, from what I have read recently, he hasn't been in the best of health so he probably wants some time out which, again would rule him out here. | |
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 17:13 - Nov 26 with 968 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:17 - Nov 26 by hype313 |
You could equally argue that he could be a breath of fresh air, he has no baggage, he's passionate about the club, he knows the players, the players respect him, everything here is in his DNA, he has been there as a youth player coming through, he has worked under some brilliant managers.... |
Terry Butcher has worked under some brilliant managers...and he was rubbish as a manager!
Nash is better qualified to do the job as he is a far more experienced coach.
One name that doesn’t appear to have been mentioned is Nigel Clough. I think that he would be a fairly solid appointment. | |
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 17:18 - Nov 26 with 957 views | itfcjoe |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 17:13 - Nov 26 by southnorfolkblue |
Terry Butcher has worked under some brilliant managers...and he was rubbish as a manager!
Nash is better qualified to do the job as he is a far more experienced coach.
One name that doesn’t appear to have been mentioned is Nigel Clough. I think that he would be a fairly solid appointment. |
He's recently been appointed at Mansfield |  |
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 17:19 - Nov 26 with 956 views | itfcjoe |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 16:59 - Nov 26 by BouncebackIpswich |
Leicester fan with Ipswich as a second team for sentimental reasons I lurk on here quite regularly.
If you can get Pearson, he is the right man for you, forget the others on this list. I've seen some posters calling him a pr1ck, nasty etc etc. That's complete b0llocks and a media portrayal of Nige, yes he is straight talking but thats only part of the package, a considered and intelligent man with exceptional man management skills. He creates an exceptionally tight knit team - almost to a man all our ex-players who played under Nige during both his spells at LCFC speak unbelievably highly of their time playing for him. As a fan I've never had such a strong bond with the team since he left despite the achivements.
He did amazing things for Leicester when we were at our lowest ebb, rebuild the club from top to bottom - installed new sports science teams, oversaw a revamped scouting team and weeded out all the rotten eggs both playing or not playing staff. It was his work which set us up to win the title and has seen us establish ourselves as a top half PL team.
He'd be perfect for a club like Ipswich where you need someone to come in, get a grasp of the problems holding the club back and make changes for the better which your owner is too short sighted, or weak to do. He will rebuild Ipswich given time and I'd be confident of saying if you appointed him he'd have you around the Championship play offs in 2-3 years. He needs to be given some time and the freedom to get involved in all aspects of the club to be fully effective but from I've read on here your owner is willing to do so. He'd also bring Steve Walsh (head scout who found Mahrez, Vardy, Kante etc) and Craig Shakespeare (brilliant assistant manager) with him and the 3 are a formidable team.
Feel free to disagree but I see a lot of similarities to Leicester when Pearson came in in 2008 after we dropped to L1 after years of decline and Ipswich now, you need a strong leader to come in, kick some arse, and build an effective team and club. I'd love to see it and hope for your sake he is on the shortlist |
Thanks for that - largely agrees with perception I have of Pearson.
Sadly that perception is also that he is looking for a good Championship job and wouldn't be willing to go to League 1 at this moment, which is understandable | |
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| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 17:28 - Nov 26 with 933 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 17:05 - Nov 26 by hype313 |
Cheers, always good to hear from inside the camp rather than hearsay.
I would take Pearson in a heartbeat, however we are too far down the ladder for him to come and take the job, he has far bigger fish to fry.
Also, from what I have read recently, he hasn't been in the best of health so he probably wants some time out which, again would rule him out here. |
I'm not so sure he wouldn't come. I get the impression for Nigel it is about job satisfaction rather than status and he would see Ipswich as a project he could buy into, especially if Evans could guarantee him the time and freedom to have the club run the way he thinks is needed to make strides forward. The way he was jettisoned at Watford clearly rankled him and it's unlikely he'd work for any club with impatient short-term owners.
the point about his health is a good one though, he has long Covid, and puts his family and health first by all accounts. He appear to have got through the worst of it though to judge on recent interviews | | | |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 14:43 - Nov 27 with 786 views | PhilTWTD |
| Next manager - The likeliest options and some analysis on 14:35 - Nov 26 by PhilTWTD |
Was thinking of those two, can't think of any others off the top of my head who might be interested and credible at the present time. |
Further to that, another legend who may well be interested is Veno. Has been looking for a club of his own for a while. Has experience of the boardroom as well as the training field as was a director at Coventry. |  | | |
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