| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 15:47 - Feb 1 with 1988 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 15:46 - Feb 1 by snudge27 |
Can I add Josh Emmanuel and Dominic Iorfa to that list please?
Justifiably or not, it does always seem to be players of a certain ethnicity that cop the most vociferous flak for being 'crap'. |
I never got the stick for Iorfa personally, I thought he was decent enough. |  |
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| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 15:52 - Feb 1 with 1973 views | snudge27 |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 15:47 - Feb 1 by Kieran_Knows |
I never got the stick for Iorfa personally, I thought he was decent enough. |
I agree with you there. As would, it would appear, 63 Championship appearances and five goals since his time with us. |  |
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| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 15:55 - Feb 1 with 1978 views | gordon |
It's well-established that there's racial bias in the way football players or sports players are described - it doesn't mean people are racist, just that we have pre-conceived notions of how people will play based on appearance, and also that we use particular words more often for people with a particular appearance.
https://runrepeat.com/racial-bias-study-soccer |  | | |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 15:57 - Feb 1 with 1963 views | BlueRaider |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 15:24 - Feb 1 by chicoazul |
Given the way he has been treated by the more moronic section of our fan base I hope he goes & does really well.
“He’s always got a mistake in him....no brains....he’s an athlete not a footballer”, isn’t it odd how some of our players get these epithets? |
Dalian Atkinson - Fabulously skilful, but also the hardest shot I've ever seen and probably the quickest, so in my book absolutely fine to describe him as an athlete, but also as skilful.
We shouldn't rule out an adjective such as powerful or fast or skilful because of the colour of a players skin
I would also class a player like Vardy as an athlete, his pace is his biggest attribute.
Pele, phenomenal skill, his biggest attribute
Skin colour doesn't come into it for me
And Toto is just a walking penalty, always seems to make the same mistake, so brainless would seem reasonable there
I wish him all the best as he seems like a top bloke on Twitter, but I for one won't miss the heart palpitations every time he gets near the ball ! |  |
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| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:00 - Feb 1 with 1949 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 15:35 - Feb 1 by BlueBadger |
Well, we certainly see goals with him in the team... |
The amount of clean sheets when he was in the team suggest otherwise.
We certainly though see goals without him in the team. Mighty Swindon at Portman Road for example. |  | | |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:05 - Feb 1 with 1930 views | itfcjoe |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 15:43 - Feb 1 by dirtyboy |
I agree, he looks good for large parts of the game, but there's always going to be a moment in every game where he's in a position where he makes the same incorrect decision each time.
He always goes to ground and always gives the referee a decision to make. If he could just eradicate that one thing he does, he'd be a nailed on starter, but it happens again and again and you see him playing and you're saying "don't" before he does it in your head and yet he still does.
That's a hugely frustrating trait to have in someone who's otherwise decent...evident of his appearance in teams of the week when we get away with him not being caught in those situations.
That's more than I wanted to write.
I actually think there's a really good player in there...still...but not yet....weird. |
At 28 if you haven't ironed out those bad decisions you never will.
They aren't mistakes, they are bad decisions - he doesn't switch off and lose his man, it's not a lack of concnntration, he dives in from positions, even after doing the hard work and having completed his task i.e. forced wide.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks |  |
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| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:11 - Feb 1 with 1905 views | SomethingBlue |
Need him to stay, because, for all the massive imperfections, we are short of a "proper defender" until Wilson gets back or Chambers can move inside. Our defending has gone off a cliff since McGuinness and Woolfenden were paired — which isn't a slight on either of them, it's just a consequence of putting them together. Never really felt happy about the prospect even if it notionally meant smarter play out from the back. | |
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| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:11 - Feb 1 with 1901 views | MrTown |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:05 - Feb 1 by itfcjoe |
At 28 if you haven't ironed out those bad decisions you never will.
They aren't mistakes, they are bad decisions - he doesn't switch off and lose his man, it's not a lack of concnntration, he dives in from positions, even after doing the hard work and having completed his task i.e. forced wide.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks |
Have said before; Toto will have a good 89 minutes but will throw it away with a needless minute of madness.
Goes to ground far too needlessly in the box, when danger really is that severe, and will always be a liability in my opinion.
Good luck to him, a fresh start may do him good.
I have to say not convinced on McGuinness and Woolfenden has been really poor though. |  |
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| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:14 - Feb 1 with 1890 views | Herbivore |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 15:35 - Feb 1 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Chambers makes mistakes on a weekly basis.
Woolfenden doesn't seem to read the game well. Where was he when Swindon and Sunderland players were heading in while in our box? |
How many penalties have Chambers and Woolfenden given away this season? |  |
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| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:16 - Feb 1 with 1881 views | jayessess |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:11 - Feb 1 by MrTown |
Have said before; Toto will have a good 89 minutes but will throw it away with a needless minute of madness.
Goes to ground far too needlessly in the box, when danger really is that severe, and will always be a liability in my opinion.
Good luck to him, a fresh start may do him good.
I have to say not convinced on McGuinness and Woolfenden has been really poor though. |
That's 4 centre halfs we have on the books, all of whom we consider poor or error prone. Suggests to me that the problem is actually about how we defend as a unit. |  |
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| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:17 - Feb 1 with 1879 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:05 - Feb 1 by itfcjoe |
At 28 if you haven't ironed out those bad decisions you never will.
They aren't mistakes, they are bad decisions - he doesn't switch off and lose his man, it's not a lack of concnntration, he dives in from positions, even after doing the hard work and having completed his task i.e. forced wide.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks |
It's why he's at the level he's at, because in terms of stuff in the air and defending balls coming into the box he's the most reliable we have and have had for some time. A total rock in the air. |  |
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| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:18 - Feb 1 with 1876 views | clive_baker |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 15:47 - Feb 1 by Kieran_Knows |
I never got the stick for Iorfa personally, I thought he was decent enough. |
Iorfa was good, I never understood the stick either. You know when you just watch someone and think 'yeah, they know what they're doing'. I really liked him. He was only young as well.
Plus the song worked.
1-2-3-4.... |  |
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| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:22 - Feb 1 with 1856 views | BlueRaider |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 15:55 - Feb 1 by gordon |
It's well-established that there's racial bias in the way football players or sports players are described - it doesn't mean people are racist, just that we have pre-conceived notions of how people will play based on appearance, and also that we use particular words more often for people with a particular appearance.
https://runrepeat.com/racial-bias-study-soccer |
Could it be that a black player is more likely to be fast ? Look at the 100m olympic finals in the last x years ?
Ditto world heavyweight champions regarding powerfulness.
These are good attributes for footballers to have
As long as their skilfulness and other attributes are also praised and fast and powerful players from other races are described as such too I don't see a problem
Constantly flagging race where it is not an issue just turns people off, it's a bit like crying wolf | |
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| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:25 - Feb 1 with 1844 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:18 - Feb 1 by clive_baker |
Iorfa was good, I never understood the stick either. You know when you just watch someone and think 'yeah, they know what they're doing'. I really liked him. He was only young as well.
Plus the song worked.
1-2-3-4.... |
Agreed. Although he was on loan, I always felt we could've kept him permanently as well, unlike the lot we've just got in this month. | |
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| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:28 - Feb 1 with 1833 views | rickw |
I think it will be good to sell him.
Of those character traits the only 1 I agree with is he gives away far too many penalties, some have been unfair on him, but he still gives referees the opportunity. |  |
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| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:41 - Feb 1 with 1797 views | Vaughan8 |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 15:33 - Feb 1 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Bang on ! Well, well said.
Just a scapegoat for some.
I badly want him to stay but if he goes he'll be a good addition for his new club. |
You get the other extremes who defend him regardless "he's a nice lad". I actually think some people think he is a youngster. Hes 28, his peak!.
He's oneof, if not the worst player to ever play for Town in my lifetime anyway. That game against Gillingham(I think) at home. Deary me. COuldn't pass, couldn't tackle, couldn't kick it.
I think his confidence was shot by then though. Howevber always capable to give away a penalty or get sent off, as well as not being very good.
I won't be sad to see him gone. [Post edited 1 Feb 2021 16:43]
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| This could be a sign that... on 16:45 - Feb 1 with 1791 views | ScottCandage |
Baggott is ready to take the step up. |  | | |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:53 - Feb 1 with 1775 views | PJH |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 15:24 - Feb 1 by chicoazul |
Given the way he has been treated by the more moronic section of our fan base I hope he goes & does really well.
“He’s always got a mistake in him....no brains....he’s an athlete not a footballer”, isn’t it odd how some of our players get these epithets? |
I think that "He has always got a mistake in him" is true and more true about him than any other player that we currently have.
He is capable of and does do a lot of good stuff but potentially at any point in any game you feel that a mistimed tackle or a wayward pass is going to give a goal away and often it does.
I think any inference that people that say that about Toto are saying it because of the colour of his skin is wrong, they are saying it because it is an opinion which is very nearly a fact rather than an opinion. |  | | |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:56 - Feb 1 with 1767 views | tractordownsouth |
Normally I'd get rid but we're desperately short of defenders at the moment so I'd keep him. |  |
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| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 16:59 - Feb 1 with 1756 views | Chrisd |
| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 15:33 - Feb 1 by clive_baker |
He's one of those defenders who can play well for 89 minutes and make a monumental c0ck up. Sadly, as a centre half you can't afford to do that, especially at his age. Woolfenden and McGuinness have youth on their side, you kind of expect it. At 28 if you haven't learnt not to dive in in the box, you're probably not going to.
Get rid. |
Spot on assessment | |
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| Doncaster and Fleetwood looking at Toto on 18:55 - Feb 1 with 1688 views | longtimefan |
.... and laughing?  | | | |
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