| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... 08:51 - Aug 4 with 16957 views | itfcjoe |
....as can't see any new signings being any more than a bench option.
Sounds as though Fraser and Edmundson won't be fit, and would presume Chaplin not ready to start.
Does leave us a bit thin as really it will be 10 outfield players from 12 starting
KVY, Donacien
Woolf, Nsiala
Penney
Evans, Harper
Dobra, Burns
Bonne, Norwood, Pigott
Will have to be 442 with one of Bonne or Norwood joining Donacien on the bench |  |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 15:48 - Aug 4 with 2304 views | jayessess |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 14:42 - Aug 4 by NthQldITFC |
If anybody (supporters or owners) are putting Cook under 'enormous pressure' after one month of competitive fixtures with the new squad not even completely recruited, they want f&*(ing shooting. That would be absolute insanity.
Last season's dozen or so games are completely irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. That was like an entirely different club with deeply embedded psychological problems, which have hopefully now been cleared.
Paul Cook's Ipswich starts on Saturday, and has been hampered by having too much to do in too short a time, so needs more patience than a normal season start, not less. I know that it's the normal way of things these days to petulantly demand instant success, but any of us who are stirring up discontent at this stage in ITFC history are, imho, trying to destroy the thing they profess to love. |
I don't think Cook should be under pressure after a month. I am happy to hold him to the standard that he set himself - which was one Summer and one whole season. |  |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 16:22 - Aug 4 with 2235 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 14:42 - Aug 4 by NthQldITFC |
If anybody (supporters or owners) are putting Cook under 'enormous pressure' after one month of competitive fixtures with the new squad not even completely recruited, they want f&*(ing shooting. That would be absolute insanity.
Last season's dozen or so games are completely irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. That was like an entirely different club with deeply embedded psychological problems, which have hopefully now been cleared.
Paul Cook's Ipswich starts on Saturday, and has been hampered by having too much to do in too short a time, so needs more patience than a normal season start, not less. I know that it's the normal way of things these days to petulantly demand instant success, but any of us who are stirring up discontent at this stage in ITFC history are, imho, trying to destroy the thing they profess to love. |
Spot on, most sense I’ve read in this thread.
Some goons giving him a month, ffs. |  | | |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 16:37 - Aug 4 with 2199 views | jayessess |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 16:22 - Aug 4 by OsborneOneNil |
Spot on, most sense I’ve read in this thread.
Some goons giving him a month, ffs. |
These are largely fictitious goons though, aren't they? No one on this thread is actually saying it. | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 16:40 - Aug 4 with 2186 views | istanblue |
This is Morecambe we're talking about ffs |  | | |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 17:03 - Aug 4 with 2156 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:37 - Aug 4 by Chrisd |
Massively overreacting to a poor result or display is my biggest fear this season. Can't understand the negativity some have regarding PC, it's like they are just waiting for him to slip up or fail?! He's had success with the teams he's managed in L1 and L2, so that should exude confidence and belief. Lets not forget, not even Manchester City - with all their wealth - go through a whole season winning every game. We need to have a bit of perspective, show some patience and trust in what is trying to be created here. [Post edited 4 Aug 2021 13:45]
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I'm afraid it's going to be the case. Any bad result and some are going to slate him mercilessly. Their argument will be that he has got the tools and should deliver right away.
He like every other manager needs a time.
When Magilton was sacked years ago some people had been saying he should have been given more time. Why? He'd spend a lot, brought in some wrong players and we were no threat for the top teams. So if in the opinion of some Magilton deserved more time despite wasting the money and time then Cook deserves his time too. He got rid of some slackers after last season and now he needs to be given the time to make this team successful. |  | | |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 17:16 - Aug 4 with 2128 views | The_Realist_09 |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 16:40 - Aug 4 by istanblue |
This is Morecambe we're talking about ffs |
I agree but it's a funny old league. Swindon beat Hull in October last season. Over the season on average of course we should have enough for these 'smaller' teams but I doubt we'll take 3 points from every game against a bottom 4 side all season. |  | | |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 18:06 - Aug 4 with 2056 views | jayessess |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 17:03 - Aug 4 by Mach_foreignBlue |
I'm afraid it's going to be the case. Any bad result and some are going to slate him mercilessly. Their argument will be that he has got the tools and should deliver right away.
He like every other manager needs a time.
When Magilton was sacked years ago some people had been saying he should have been given more time. Why? He'd spend a lot, brought in some wrong players and we were no threat for the top teams. So if in the opinion of some Magilton deserved more time despite wasting the money and time then Cook deserves his time too. He got rid of some slackers after last season and now he needs to be given the time to make this team successful. |
People say this cliche all the time - "managers need time" - but it's not really true. The vast majority of successful managerial stints start with at least modest improvement.
We gave Lambert, Jewell and Keane too much time. McCarthy improved us in his first season and ended up one of the longest serving managers in the football league. Magilton was hard done by, but nothing he's done since has suggested he'd have had long-term success at Ipswich.
Personally I think Paul Cook will have us competing at the top of the league relatively quickly. He's got a great record at this level and he's been given lots of resources to make it happen. But, competing at the top is the standard to measure him by this season, not progress towards some hopeful multi-season transition. I'm pretty sure Cook would agree to that too. [Post edited 4 Aug 2021 19:24]
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 18:47 - Aug 4 with 2019 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 18:06 - Aug 4 by jayessess |
People say this cliche all the time - "managers need time" - but it's not really true. The vast majority of successful managerial stints start with at least modest improvement.
We gave Lambert, Jewell and Keane too much time. McCarthy improved us in his first season and ended up one of the longest serving managers in the football league. Magilton was hard done by, but nothing he's done since has suggested he'd have had long-term success at Ipswich.
Personally I think Paul Cook will have us competing at the top of the league relatively quickly. He's got a great record at this level and he's been given lots of resources to make it happen. But, competing at the top is the standard to measure him by this season, not progress towards some hopeful multi-season transition. I'm pretty sure Cook would agree to that too. [Post edited 4 Aug 2021 19:24]
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'The vast majority of successful managerial stints start with at least modest improvement'
True but the circumstances were a bit different here. Cook first had to get rid of the poisonous mob who downed the tools and didn't want to play for him. He promised us the revolution and that's been the case this summer.
Now he needs a time to make this team functional and successful. | | | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 19:02 - Aug 4 with 1998 views | Mookamoo |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 18:47 - Aug 4 by Mach_foreignBlue |
'The vast majority of successful managerial stints start with at least modest improvement'
True but the circumstances were a bit different here. Cook first had to get rid of the poisonous mob who downed the tools and didn't want to play for him. He promised us the revolution and that's been the case this summer.
Now he needs a time to make this team functional and successful. |
What worries me is the reaction when we give goals away from set pieces. I don't think most fans understand the work that has to be done to limit those. That time those players have not had as a functioning squad yet. |  | | |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 19:31 - Aug 4 with 1959 views | jayessess |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 18:47 - Aug 4 by Mach_foreignBlue |
'The vast majority of successful managerial stints start with at least modest improvement'
True but the circumstances were a bit different here. Cook first had to get rid of the poisonous mob who downed the tools and didn't want to play for him. He promised us the revolution and that's been the case this summer.
Now he needs a time to make this team functional and successful. |
Most managerial stints start with the club in distress, that's usually what does for the last guy! Hardly a unique circumstance.
What exactly do you mean by "needs time"? I think we're all prepared for a slow start, but you'd expect us to be visibly improving on that by the end of the 2021, surely?! | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 20:01 - Aug 4 with 1907 views | chrismakin |
Must admit. I did expect to see another CB and LB in before sat.
Slightly nervous about the options at the back. But hopefully we can do the business up the front end |  |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 20:47 - Aug 4 with 1877 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 19:31 - Aug 4 by jayessess |
Most managerial stints start with the club in distress, that's usually what does for the last guy! Hardly a unique circumstance.
What exactly do you mean by "needs time"? I think we're all prepared for a slow start, but you'd expect us to be visibly improving on that by the end of the 2021, surely?! |
What do I mean? I am pretty sure he'll do a great job for us. But if we get a few bad results this and next month then some percent of thiis fanbase will be knocking him.
Yes he needs a time. It's been a big transition as he had to get rid of the slackers first. The change of squad and culture, no more easy paydays at Ipswich [Post edited 4 Aug 2021 21:33]
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 21:10 - Aug 4 with 1823 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:15 - Aug 4 by jayessess |
High standards isn't impatience. |
Not necessarily, but it can be. People have to be realistic and realise it takes time to build something good. Particularly if you're starting from scratch again. Would people rather have promotion at any cost - and come back down again because we weren't ready, or take longer to build but build something sustainable for the future, for example? |  |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 21:15 - Aug 4 with 1812 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:19 - Aug 4 by reusersfreekicks |
That wouldn't be good enough fo the outlay and backing he has had. The squad is thin now because he made it so |
You can't get promotion on how much you spend, otherwise Derby would've been in the Prem long ago.
Also, I dispute "because he made it so." It wasn't Cook's fault that most of what he inherited was dross. It's not like he's intentionally going to make the job difficult for himself by getting rid of quality, committed players who would take this club forward. | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 21:17 - Aug 4 with 1809 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:26 - Aug 4 by jayessess |
Last year, Blackpool's new team "gelled" from Game 8, Lincoln's new team gelled from Game 1. Ipswich Town has a bigger budget than both. I don't think "better than Michael Appleton and Neil Critchley" is an unfair standard to hold Paul Cook to. |
It's not as simple as 'two teams did it before, so we should too.' | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 21:22 - Aug 4 with 1795 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:46 - Aug 4 by Herbivore |
You say patience, I say low expectations. |
You'd be a bit dim, then. | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 21:25 - Aug 4 with 1784 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 14:42 - Aug 4 by NthQldITFC |
If anybody (supporters or owners) are putting Cook under 'enormous pressure' after one month of competitive fixtures with the new squad not even completely recruited, they want f&*(ing shooting. That would be absolute insanity.
Last season's dozen or so games are completely irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. That was like an entirely different club with deeply embedded psychological problems, which have hopefully now been cleared.
Paul Cook's Ipswich starts on Saturday, and has been hampered by having too much to do in too short a time, so needs more patience than a normal season start, not less. I know that it's the normal way of things these days to petulantly demand instant success, but any of us who are stirring up discontent at this stage in ITFC history are, imho, trying to destroy the thing they profess to love. |
Fantastic post. Well said. | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 23:50 - Aug 4 with 1670 views | jayessess |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 21:17 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's not as simple as 'two teams did it before, so we should too.' |
Isn't it? Why?
Cook has far more resources than those two did. Why is matching Blackpool's achievements suddenly seen as unachievable? | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 00:06 - Aug 5 with 1662 views | jayessess |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 20:47 - Aug 4 by Mach_foreignBlue |
What do I mean? I am pretty sure he'll do a great job for us. But if we get a few bad results this and next month then some percent of thiis fanbase will be knocking him.
Yes he needs a time. It's been a big transition as he had to get rid of the slackers first. The change of squad and culture, no more easy paydays at Ipswich [Post edited 4 Aug 2021 21:33]
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Some percent of the fanbase is always going to be knocking the manager. If we can't deal with that, we might as well go home right now. As it happens, Ipswich fans are abnormally patient.
I'd say a big part of the culture that needed changing was that much of the squad seemed to think it unrealistic to expect Ipswich Town to challenge for the top of League One and that an outside chance of 6th was a decent standard to aim for. Having been so keen to boot those players out, I've no idea why so many seem to be OK with those low standards sneaking back in? | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 00:21 - Aug 5 with 1650 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 21:15 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You can't get promotion on how much you spend, otherwise Derby would've been in the Prem long ago.
Also, I dispute "because he made it so." It wasn't Cook's fault that most of what he inherited was dross. It's not like he's intentionally going to make the job difficult for himself by getting rid of quality, committed players who would take this club forward. |
Well if the "dross" could lead this division for a while then Cook's wonder team should piss it without excuses |  | | |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 08:09 - Aug 5 with 1573 views | Herbivore |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 21:22 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You'd be a bit dim, then. |
That's rich from the person who was still defending Lambert for much of last season. |  |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 08:42 - Aug 5 with 1523 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 00:06 - Aug 5 by jayessess |
Some percent of the fanbase is always going to be knocking the manager. If we can't deal with that, we might as well go home right now. As it happens, Ipswich fans are abnormally patient.
I'd say a big part of the culture that needed changing was that much of the squad seemed to think it unrealistic to expect Ipswich Town to challenge for the top of League One and that an outside chance of 6th was a decent standard to aim for. Having been so keen to boot those players out, I've no idea why so many seem to be OK with those low standards sneaking back in? |
Agreed.
I think there is a lot of argument on this thread that will turn out to be redundant because we will be in and around it for the whole season IMO. Of course, we should get stronger as the season goes on and we 'gel' but for me we have too much quality to not be in the running from the off, especially given we have a fairly kind start. | | | |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 09:03 - Aug 5 with 1508 views | jayessess |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 21:10 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not necessarily, but it can be. People have to be realistic and realise it takes time to build something good. Particularly if you're starting from scratch again. Would people rather have promotion at any cost - and come back down again because we weren't ready, or take longer to build but build something sustainable for the future, for example? |
There's nothing to gained by being down here for an extra season. We've all seen this Summer how being in League One has hamstrung us in recruitment.
I don't see where the sustainability argument comes in at all, really. We've signed ready made players, mostly at peak footballing age, all experienced at this level or above. This isn't a squad signed for gradual development, it's a group designed to win football matches asap. | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 09:40 - Aug 5 with 1480 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 23:50 - Aug 4 by jayessess |
Isn't it? Why?
Cook has far more resources than those two did. Why is matching Blackpool's achievements suddenly seen as unachievable? |
Because life isn't that simple. And this isn't a computer game. | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 09:42 - Aug 5 with 1480 views | bluestandard |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 08:42 - Aug 5 by tractorboy1978 |
Agreed.
I think there is a lot of argument on this thread that will turn out to be redundant because we will be in and around it for the whole season IMO. Of course, we should get stronger as the season goes on and we 'gel' but for me we have too much quality to not be in the running from the off, especially given we have a fairly kind start. |
I agree that alot of the argument on this thread will become redundant, mainly because we have no context right now for how the team will be performing on the pitch in terms of style of play. Most of this thread has centred on results, and what will happen if we get some bad ones. I remember however back in the Burley days, we had plenty of games which we lost after having effectively battered the opposition for most of the game. Noone was calling for the managers head back then. Lets see how the style of play develops after a few months, and if Cook really can get us up off our seats with a more exciting brand of football. If he doesn't deliver on this, I think patience will (rightly) be in far shorter supply. | | | |
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