| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... 08:51 - Aug 4 with 16941 views | itfcjoe |
....as can't see any new signings being any more than a bench option.
Sounds as though Fraser and Edmundson won't be fit, and would presume Chaplin not ready to start.
Does leave us a bit thin as really it will be 10 outfield players from 12 starting
KVY, Donacien
Woolf, Nsiala
Penney
Evans, Harper
Dobra, Burns
Bonne, Norwood, Pigott
Will have to be 442 with one of Bonne or Norwood joining Donacien on the bench |  |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 09:42 - Aug 4 with 2660 views | thebooks |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 09:08 - Aug 4 by gordon |
That's fair enough, but he's under contract, if we have no one else in the position I'd expect him to do his job. And what about McGavin? |
You can’t really say “you’re not part of our plans I’m removing you from the first team squad” but then “looks like we haven’t bought enough players, can you, erm, fill in”. This was always a problem with PC wiping his hands of the squad at the end of last season. |  | | |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 09:42 - Aug 4 with 2660 views | jayessess |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 09:24 - Aug 4 by The_Realist_09 |
The patience is a slight worry of mine, it's a long old season and history tells us anyone can take points from anyone. Obviously it is good to have expectations but this is a big project. I was reading comments from Pompey fans just after they won the league under Cook. Lots of them were apologising for calling for his head when things were going a bit rough but praising him for implementing his plan in the end.
Interesting times ahead for sure! COYB! |
No need to worry. Ipswich Town, the club where we cheerily whistled our way to finishing dead last in 2019, then let the culprit have not one but two more goes. Where we all shrugged our shoulders at the current incumbent taking one point per game over more than a third of a season and a few are already saying it's cool if he fails this season too.
For better or worse this club has patience in abundance. |  |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 09:59 - Aug 4 with 2589 views | Guthrum |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 09:42 - Aug 4 by thebooks |
You can’t really say “you’re not part of our plans I’m removing you from the first team squad” but then “looks like we haven’t bought enough players, can you, erm, fill in”. This was always a problem with PC wiping his hands of the squad at the end of last season. |
It's only a problem if it is a problem, if you see what I mean. However, if Cook is confident he can put ot a team (plus subs) capable of winning the match on Saturday without Downes, then it isn't an issue.
To be fair, it's not a terrible lineup and ideally, with them working on fitness, we won't need so much to sub tired players after an hour. So the bench will mainly be needed to cover niggles and injuries - which hopefully won't happen.
Some others of the "bomb squad" have taken part in preseason (Kenlock, Jackson) so could be included without hypocrisy. It's really only Downes. |  |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 10:03 - Aug 4 with 2555 views | pete81 |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 09:59 - Aug 4 by Guthrum |
It's only a problem if it is a problem, if you see what I mean. However, if Cook is confident he can put ot a team (plus subs) capable of winning the match on Saturday without Downes, then it isn't an issue.
To be fair, it's not a terrible lineup and ideally, with them working on fitness, we won't need so much to sub tired players after an hour. So the bench will mainly be needed to cover niggles and injuries - which hopefully won't happen.
Some others of the "bomb squad" have taken part in preseason (Kenlock, Jackson) so could be included without hypocrisy. It's really only Downes. |
Yep, looking like the same line up that started against Millwall. 'Should' be enough to beat Morecambe let's be honest.... |  | | |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 10:03 - Aug 4 with 2544 views | Churchman |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 09:24 - Aug 4 by The_Realist_09 |
The patience is a slight worry of mine, it's a long old season and history tells us anyone can take points from anyone. Obviously it is good to have expectations but this is a big project. I was reading comments from Pompey fans just after they won the league under Cook. Lots of them were apologising for calling for his head when things were going a bit rough but praising him for implementing his plan in the end.
Interesting times ahead for sure! COYB! |
I agree. Patience is absolutely key. He and the club needs time. Sadly, Cook can whistle for that and I don’t think he will get anywhere near the time he got at Portsmouth. The supporters here won’t have it and I doubt the owners will have much more patience either.
If they don’t get a minimum of 10 or 12 points from the five August fixtures, I think Cook will be under enormous pressure. |  | | |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 10:04 - Aug 4 with 2554 views | Beckets |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 09:59 - Aug 4 by Guthrum |
It's only a problem if it is a problem, if you see what I mean. However, if Cook is confident he can put ot a team (plus subs) capable of winning the match on Saturday without Downes, then it isn't an issue.
To be fair, it's not a terrible lineup and ideally, with them working on fitness, we won't need so much to sub tired players after an hour. So the bench will mainly be needed to cover niggles and injuries - which hopefully won't happen.
Some others of the "bomb squad" have taken part in preseason (Kenlock, Jackson) so could be included without hypocrisy. It's really only Downes. |
Ken lock hasn’t been involved with the first team all pre season and appears to have disappeared completely. |  | | |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 10:07 - Aug 4 with 2541 views | Guthrum |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 10:04 - Aug 4 by Beckets |
Ken lock hasn’t been involved with the first team all pre season and appears to have disappeared completely. |
He did play in the Bury game, plus for the U23s once. | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 10:21 - Aug 4 with 2481 views | jayessess |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 10:03 - Aug 4 by Churchman |
I agree. Patience is absolutely key. He and the club needs time. Sadly, Cook can whistle for that and I don’t think he will get anywhere near the time he got at Portsmouth. The supporters here won’t have it and I doubt the owners will have much more patience either.
If they don’t get a minimum of 10 or 12 points from the five August fixtures, I think Cook will be under enormous pressure. |
I really don't think he will. It seems like August is going to be pretty stop-start anyway, punctuated with (up to 6!) new players coming in, players going out, players like Edmondson, Chaplin, Fraser and Nolan coming into contention. If those games go badly then most people will (rightly) give leeway for the new team coming together.
After 10 games (end of September) I think people will start to make judgements. Not league position necessarily, but certainly on what direction we're heading and how we're looking. | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 10:21 - Aug 4 with 2476 views | Herbivore |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 09:29 - Aug 4 by Wallingford_Boy |
We may well be nowehere near the top come Christmas, but if any fans are seriously calling for PC's head after the summer of transition we have had/are having, then they have a screw loose.
This is not an overnight project, you cannot buy league one, it may well take another season to get up.
Patience is required! |
Failure to go up this season would represent a huge failure. We can't write off another season. Other teams have been promoted after big turnover of players and on a fraction of our budget.
It may take time to gel of course but this lowering of expectations from some is ridiculous. We've only been a few points off the top 6 the past 2 years in this league with dysfunctional ownership and management. We should be expecting Cook under the new regime to take us up this year and if he doesn't then I expect he'll be moved on. |  |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 10:30 - Aug 4 with 2416 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 09:42 - Aug 4 by Steve_M |
We look a bit short, always a big risk with making as many changes as Cook wanted to this Summer. I still think we've been a bit careless with those players we've let go but still a month to go but we should still have enough to get off to an ok start. |
Careless in what sense, Steve?
Other than Bishop and Lankester, who I'd have kept personally, I think the other business we have done has been the best for the club. Would've liked to have kept Dozzell as well, but we was bound by the clause in his contract.
As you say, a big risk with the changes that were needed, but I'm pleasantly surprised at the standard of players we have already got through the door (Penney aside), and I think it's clear we're not signing players for the sake of it.
Tough first month ahead IMO, but after that I think we'll be okay. |  |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 10:31 - Aug 4 with 2415 views | itfcjoe |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 10:03 - Aug 4 by Churchman |
I agree. Patience is absolutely key. He and the club needs time. Sadly, Cook can whistle for that and I don’t think he will get anywhere near the time he got at Portsmouth. The supporters here won’t have it and I doubt the owners will have much more patience either.
If they don’t get a minimum of 10 or 12 points from the five August fixtures, I think Cook will be under enormous pressure. |
I can't imagine that will be the case, but by time we get to end of October we'll see the direction we are heading.
I'm pretty confident that with the squad we have, and with Cook's record and having a couple of his generals here (with at least one more to come) we'll be right up there.
If we aren't right up there, and not going in the right direction - it isn't the patience of the fans that will be the issue | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 10:33 - Aug 4 with 2399 views | TomTheWriter |
Saving grace, not just us in this position.
Accrington have a good XI, but kids after that.
Wimbledon have three good attackers, but nothing after that.
Burton have zero strikers right now.
Cambridge have two centre backs.
Charlton have one winger to pick from.
Crewe lose Kirk or Dale, they’ve got big problems.
Doncaster just played 6 trialists on weekend.
Gillingham have no width.
Lincoln’s attack shot to bits after loan departures.
MK just lost Martin.
Oxford have 5 defenders.
Portsmouth have zero injuries, last friendly was full strength + 1 sub.
Sheff Wed have two centre backs.
Shrewsbury have 16 senior players.
Sunderland have zero full backs.
Wigan have 1 senior centre back.
Wycombe have 2 centre backs.
Only team with a full and settled squad are Bolton. We may need 4-5 more players, but a lot of teams in our league need 5+ players as well. |  |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 10:34 - Aug 4 with 2392 views | Chrisd |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 08:58 - Aug 4 by pointofblue |
Obviously there's still a month of the transfer window but going into first day so light is not good. Just having a couple more in to pad out the bench would be a plus. |
Hang on, I thought we had the best squad in L1 over the last 2 seasons and now we’ve brought in better players? Yes, it’s a little light in certain areas, but we should still have more than enough to get the job done against Morecambe on Saturday. At least Ashton and Cook have already said we need 4,5 or 6 more in, that suggests they recognise we need squad reinforcements and we aren’t finished yet in the transfer market which is reassuring. [Post edited 4 Aug 2021 11:33]
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:05 - Aug 4 with 2258 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 10:21 - Aug 4 by Herbivore |
Failure to go up this season would represent a huge failure. We can't write off another season. Other teams have been promoted after big turnover of players and on a fraction of our budget.
It may take time to gel of course but this lowering of expectations from some is ridiculous. We've only been a few points off the top 6 the past 2 years in this league with dysfunctional ownership and management. We should be expecting Cook under the new regime to take us up this year and if he doesn't then I expect he'll be moved on. |
It's not ridiculous it's logical. What went before is irrelevant; we have an entirely new team... and that team will take time to gel. How long do teams take to gel? I guess it's a length of a piece of string question. But I think no promotion = huge failure/the sack is short-sighted. If we're heading in the right direction, that'll do for me. But then I seem to be more patient than many on here. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:09 - Aug 4 with 2256 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 08:59 - Aug 4 by SitfcB |
5-0 win |
Will all depend on an early goal or lack of.
Get an early breakthrough and we could have a good afternoon. The longer they hold out, the more frustrating we could find it. |  |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:15 - Aug 4 with 2221 views | jayessess |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:05 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's not ridiculous it's logical. What went before is irrelevant; we have an entirely new team... and that team will take time to gel. How long do teams take to gel? I guess it's a length of a piece of string question. But I think no promotion = huge failure/the sack is short-sighted. If we're heading in the right direction, that'll do for me. But then I seem to be more patient than many on here. |
High standards isn't impatience. | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:19 - Aug 4 with 2195 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:05 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's not ridiculous it's logical. What went before is irrelevant; we have an entirely new team... and that team will take time to gel. How long do teams take to gel? I guess it's a length of a piece of string question. But I think no promotion = huge failure/the sack is short-sighted. If we're heading in the right direction, that'll do for me. But then I seem to be more patient than many on here. |
That wouldn't be good enough fo the outlay and backing he has had. The squad is thin now because he made it so |  | | |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:22 - Aug 4 with 2178 views | JDB23 |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:05 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's not ridiculous it's logical. What went before is irrelevant; we have an entirely new team... and that team will take time to gel. How long do teams take to gel? I guess it's a length of a piece of string question. But I think no promotion = huge failure/the sack is short-sighted. If we're heading in the right direction, that'll do for me. But then I seem to be more patient than many on here. |
No matter what situation we are in, Ipswich Town being in league 1 is failure. I agree that there are scenarios where we don’t go up but I’d still keep Cook, but it would still be a failure. This league is very poor, let’s not forget that. With the structure we have in place now we should be pounding teams like Morecambe once the team is settled in post October. | | | |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:26 - Aug 4 with 2162 views | jayessess |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:22 - Aug 4 by JDB23 |
No matter what situation we are in, Ipswich Town being in league 1 is failure. I agree that there are scenarios where we don’t go up but I’d still keep Cook, but it would still be a failure. This league is very poor, let’s not forget that. With the structure we have in place now we should be pounding teams like Morecambe once the team is settled in post October. |
Last year, Blackpool's new team "gelled" from Game 8, Lincoln's new team gelled from Game 1. Ipswich Town has a bigger budget than both. I don't think "better than Michael Appleton and Neil Critchley" is an unfair standard to hold Paul Cook to. | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:37 - Aug 4 with 2122 views | Chrisd |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:26 - Aug 4 by jayessess |
Last year, Blackpool's new team "gelled" from Game 8, Lincoln's new team gelled from Game 1. Ipswich Town has a bigger budget than both. I don't think "better than Michael Appleton and Neil Critchley" is an unfair standard to hold Paul Cook to. |
Massively overreacting to a poor result or display is my biggest fear this season. Can't understand the negativity some have regarding PC, it's like they are just waiting for him to slip up or fail?! He's had success with the teams he's managed in L1 and L2, so that should exude confidence and belief. Lets not forget, not even Manchester City - with all their wealth - go through a whole season winning every game. We need to have a bit of perspective, show some patience and trust in what is trying to be created here. [Post edited 4 Aug 2021 13:45]
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:46 - Aug 4 with 2092 views | Herbivore |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:05 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's not ridiculous it's logical. What went before is irrelevant; we have an entirely new team... and that team will take time to gel. How long do teams take to gel? I guess it's a length of a piece of string question. But I think no promotion = huge failure/the sack is short-sighted. If we're heading in the right direction, that'll do for me. But then I seem to be more patient than many on here. |
You say patience, I say low expectations. | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:50 - Aug 4 with 2084 views | PhilTWTD |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 09:02 - Aug 4 by itfcjoe |
I saw him walk across Playford Road in training kit so looks like he is 'back on the grass' so to speak......but not a minute in pre season so doubt he's available.
We have an U23s game tonight v Chelmsford - I wonder if any seniors use it as an opportunity to get minutes, I doubt it though. |
I think someone told me they'd seen him in training kit a couple of weeks ago so think he's been back for a bit. Might well be ready for a friendly, so perhaps he might be involved this evening. |  | | |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:55 - Aug 4 with 2065 views | jayessess |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:37 - Aug 4 by Chrisd |
Massively overreacting to a poor result or display is my biggest fear this season. Can't understand the negativity some have regarding PC, it's like they are just waiting for him to slip up or fail?! He's had success with the teams he's managed in L1 and L2, so that should exude confidence and belief. Lets not forget, not even Manchester City - with all their wealth - go through a whole season winning every game. We need to have a bit of perspective, show some patience and trust in what is trying to be created here. [Post edited 4 Aug 2021 13:45]
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Pointing out what other (smaller, poorer) teams did with new squads last season is "perspective", isn't it? Cook's got a great track record, better than Appleton and Critchley, I'm confident this isn't too high a bar I'm setting. | |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 13:59 - Aug 4 with 2044 views | Moriarty |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 10:21 - Aug 4 by Herbivore |
Failure to go up this season would represent a huge failure. We can't write off another season. Other teams have been promoted after big turnover of players and on a fraction of our budget.
It may take time to gel of course but this lowering of expectations from some is ridiculous. We've only been a few points off the top 6 the past 2 years in this league with dysfunctional ownership and management. We should be expecting Cook under the new regime to take us up this year and if he doesn't then I expect he'll be moved on. |
Agreed.
Cook's record on the pitch since he arrived is a source of concern, but has drifted by. He unequivocally laid the blame with the players for that and embarked on a hatchet job of the squad. Whereas some departures were expected, we've lost players like Dozzell and Gibbs to other clubs and players like Downes to, I guess, ourselves.
Worrying that some posters on here have been wondering what our system is of late with different views on whether its a 4231, 4411, or 442.
If Cook was allowed to wield the axe on the players as he did, then he can have little complaint if the same lack of forbearance is afforded to him. Time to gel is only natural but there was some schoolboy errors in some of the goals we were leaking pre season. It was also his decision to deal with the squad as he did.
The gel process will become more of an uphill struggle if we start badly. so imho It is imperative we come out all guns blazing and boss this league from the outset this season. |  |
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| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 14:42 - Aug 4 with 1964 views | NthQldITFC |
| Looks like we will go into Morecambe with what we have now..... on 10:03 - Aug 4 by Churchman |
I agree. Patience is absolutely key. He and the club needs time. Sadly, Cook can whistle for that and I don’t think he will get anywhere near the time he got at Portsmouth. The supporters here won’t have it and I doubt the owners will have much more patience either.
If they don’t get a minimum of 10 or 12 points from the five August fixtures, I think Cook will be under enormous pressure. |
If anybody (supporters or owners) are putting Cook under 'enormous pressure' after one month of competitive fixtures with the new squad not even completely recruited, they want f&*(ing shooting. That would be absolute insanity.
Last season's dozen or so games are completely irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. That was like an entirely different club with deeply embedded psychological problems, which have hopefully now been cleared.
Paul Cook's Ipswich starts on Saturday, and has been hampered by having too much to do in too short a time, so needs more patience than a normal season start, not less. I know that it's the normal way of things these days to petulantly demand instant success, but any of us who are stirring up discontent at this stage in ITFC history are, imho, trying to destroy the thing they profess to love. |  |
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