| The same excuses for managerial failure? 22:19 - Aug 10 with 10241 views | MattinLondon |
Last season Cook was appalling - both the results and performances were poor - but his reputation was relatively unaffected. And today, I’ve read a number of comments stating that the result didn’t matter and that the match was entertaining.
So, why will questions be asked about Paul Cook’s position? Surly, by mid-September at the latest if the team is ‘still in progress’ then he should be sacked?
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| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:00 - Aug 10 with 1159 views | MattinLondon |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 22:55 - Aug 10 by TomTheWriter |
Do I have to keep reminding everyone that Oxford were in the relegation zone last December, and then made it into the play offs?
There is no ‘give him a couple more games’, ‘give him to October’. Such a backwards way of thinking. We will never get out of this league if at the first sign of a rebuild we throw the can in straight away. Cook has my full support until at least the end of the January window. You’re not out of the race until it is mathematically impossible. |
And how many teams go from the relegation zone to promotion? Very very few. Most teams are consistent in their results and don’t go from one extreme to the other.
You can’t win the league in August or September but you can lose it then. | | | |
| Errrrrrr.... on 23:01 - Aug 10 with 1156 views | unstableblue |
That is simply not the fixture or performance to being calling for Cook's head? or at least to start put a deadline on his tenure
I thought there were loads of positives tonight in a team with 10 changes.
Fans should back the team, manager and project.... |  |
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| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:02 - Aug 10 with 1149 views | MattinLondon |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 22:56 - Aug 10 by pointofblue |
And what would we have said if KVY, Evans or Harper had picked up a long term injury tonight? |
If managers were worried about injuries all of the time then the better players will never play.
And I know it’s all about managing risk, but they do need to gel on the pitch quickly. | | | |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:02 - Aug 10 with 1147 views | Funge |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 22:57 - Aug 10 by MattinLondon |
Whilst not disagreeing with your post I do think that the August matches should all be three points. |
Of course we need to be winning games, thats the bottom line.
The last two games have been enjoyable to watch, though - which could be said, in fairness, of about 3 of Lambert's games in his entire time here.
There are absolute signs of improvement. Of course, this doesn't insulate Cook from criticism, but we've got rid of almost all of the rot that had infected this club last year (Jackson being a notable exception to this).
This season will be better. |  | | |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:03 - Aug 10 with 1145 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 22:56 - Aug 10 by pointofblue |
And what would we have said if KVY, Evans or Harper had picked up a long term injury tonight? |
Best stop them training or playing in pre seasonfriendlies on that basis. |  |
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| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:03 - Aug 10 with 1145 views | gtsb1966 |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:00 - Aug 10 by MattinLondon |
And how many teams go from the relegation zone to promotion? Very very few. Most teams are consistent in their results and don’t go from one extreme to the other.
You can’t win the league in August or September but you can lose it then. |
Your last sentence. Utter cr@p. |  | | |
| Errrrrrr.... on 23:04 - Aug 10 with 1134 views | MattinLondon |
| Errrrrrr.... on 23:01 - Aug 10 by unstableblue |
That is simply not the fixture or performance to being calling for Cook's head? or at least to start put a deadline on his tenure
I thought there were loads of positives tonight in a team with 10 changes.
Fans should back the team, manager and project.... |
I’m not calling for his head now - just that a lot of fans are excusing the performances and results in the same way that typified Lambert’s reign. | | | |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:05 - Aug 10 with 1125 views | chrismakin |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:03 - Aug 10 by gtsb1966 |
Your last sentence. Utter cr@p. |
Weren't sunderland bottom 3 when keane took over |  |
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| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:05 - Aug 10 with 1125 views | pointofblue |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:03 - Aug 10 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Best stop them training or playing in pre seasonfriendlies on that basis. |
Tonight was treated like a pre season friendly - by both teams. |  |
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| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:06 - Aug 10 with 1122 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 22:58 - Aug 10 by chrismakin |
That's the thing isn't it. yes you can get injured in a league game, but these cup games are massive risks..... esp newport making their own changes, Players trying hard to impress in the tackle etc... |
...but we need time to gel? Players need to get to know each other...
Perfect opportunity. | |
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| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:06 - Aug 10 with 1120 views | Darth_Koont |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 22:57 - Aug 10 by MattinLondon |
Whilst not disagreeing with your post I do think that the August matches should all be three points. |
Why? This league is a fight – even Morecambe showed they have enough about them to beat teams.
Also the last couple of seasons should surely tell us that the start isn’t really a sign of anything. I want to see us building and getting better for once. |  |
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| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:06 - Aug 10 with 1120 views | textbackup |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 22:53 - Aug 10 by MattinLondon |
It’s was entertaining, but ultimately it doesn’t matter how well that team performed like because it’ll be the first team on Saturday. A first team that badly needs to gel and form an understanding. |
I do hear you, I just think if tonight is a style we as a club are trying to implement across whoever has the shirt, then I’m all aboard for that.
It’s a long old season, and personally I see us getting strong as it progresses.... hopefully the fans can buy into this project,m |  |
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| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:07 - Aug 10 with 1113 views | Trequartista |
I don't think he's going to be sacked in mid-September unless we are resembling something like a Paul Hurst outfit, but you are correct in that he has had his pass from last season, and whilst obviously a completely new team isn't going to gel immediately, both inferior teams we've played so far at home were blooding new players or resting them, so he needs to get wins on the board sharpish - if we're not in the playoff places by December he's in trouble.
I think we're going to click at some point and it will turn, but not yet, i see another struggle at Burton coming up. |  |
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| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:07 - Aug 10 with 1112 views | MattinLondon |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:03 - Aug 10 by gtsb1966 |
Your last sentence. Utter cr@p. |
How many league matches are there in August and September? How many wasted points will mean that the team will have to claw back. Constant loses in the early part of the season simply puts extra pressure on the team to win,win, win. | | | |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:09 - Aug 10 with 1096 views | DinDjarin |
Crikeys the flounce meter is off the charts.
Have a word with yourselves. |  | | |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:10 - Aug 10 with 1089 views | TomTheWriter |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:00 - Aug 10 by MattinLondon |
And how many teams go from the relegation zone to promotion? Very very few. Most teams are consistent in their results and don’t go from one extreme to the other.
You can’t win the league in August or September but you can lose it then. |
Wrote this on a thread at the end of July. League One is the most inconsistent league around:
Blackpool were 20th by the end of the September last season. Oxford were 22nd in November. Sunderland were 13th at the end of 2020. Peterborough were 19th after three games.
You flip that over - we were 4th in the middle of December. Accrington Stanley were 3rd at the beginning of December. Charlton were 2nd in the middle of December. Doncaster were 5th in February and finished 14th! Plymouth were 5th in the middle of November, finished 18th. Portsmouth were 1st at the end of 2020.
Happens a lot more than you think mate. Only Hull and Lincoln sustained a promotion push last season, all about what you can do over 46 games not 6 or 7. |  |
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| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:11 - Aug 10 with 1084 views | berkstractorboy |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 22:45 - Aug 10 by Swansea_Blue |
The question then is why does it have to be the reserve team match? He's signed a whole bunch of new players and needs to get them used to his system and to each other, yet he only played 3 of his signings in the starting line up. Surely he should use this as an opportunity to integrate the new signings into the first team and work on how you want them to play together? And maybe even work on his supposedly preferred formation.
On the flip side, despite throwing the game, he has had a look at some of the youth coming through. That's the only highlight that I can see - this game was only of benefit for Humphries, Clements and El Miz. The reserve/fringe players like Dobra, Donacian and Holy he should know all about already, so there's nothing for them that a reserve game couldn't do. Fitness time for Barry (I'm not sure where he's at) and Bonne may have been useful as well, but I'm really clutching at straws now as meaningful game time would be to play them with the first team if that's where they're going to end up. |
Exactly this. He needs time for players to gel he says, so tonight was perfect and to get more game time into players. Winning becomes a habit but you have to start winning games and so far cook not done a lot of that. Could and should have picked a much stronger team than that.
We want teams to fear coming to PR, so far Morecambe and Newport have been and conquered, quite frankly that's not good enough. | | | |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:11 - Aug 10 with 1084 views | Chrisd |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 22:30 - Aug 10 by JakeITFC |
I think if you’re looking to question the manager after what is effectively a reserve team match, the problem is yours. |
Agreed. It just appears some of our fans are itching to get PC out of the door as soon as possible. Think they actually thrive on us losing games, so they can weigh in with their utter negative nonsense. Makes for rather embarrassing reading. | |
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| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:13 - Aug 10 with 1074 views | textbackup |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:11 - Aug 10 by Chrisd |
Agreed. It just appears some of our fans are itching to get PC out of the door as soon as possible. Think they actually thrive on us losing games, so they can weigh in with their utter negative nonsense. Makes for rather embarrassing reading. |
Owner changed
Players changed
Manager changed
Only consistent thing now connected to utter failure is... the fans | |
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| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:15 - Aug 10 with 1062 views | Geomorph |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:00 - Aug 10 by MattinLondon |
And how many teams go from the relegation zone to promotion? Very very few. Most teams are consistent in their results and don’t go from one extreme to the other.
You can’t win the league in August or September but you can lose it then. |
Like Blackpool did? |  | | |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:19 - Aug 10 with 1041 views | chrismakin |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:13 - Aug 10 by textbackup |
Owner changed
Players changed
Manager changed
Only consistent thing now connected to utter failure is... the fans |
Also, there were some Boo's tonight at FT
Now, wouldn't have been alot granted. But, players won't forget it, and this is from a cup game!.
What made us succesful in the past was one club mentality. But if we're already booing 2 games into the season........ it's a long dark path ahead.
Sometimes, some fans don't deserve success. | |
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| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:21 - Aug 10 with 1040 views | MattinLondon |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:11 - Aug 10 by Chrisd |
Agreed. It just appears some of our fans are itching to get PC out of the door as soon as possible. Think they actually thrive on us losing games, so they can weigh in with their utter negative nonsense. Makes for rather embarrassing reading. |
Nope. Just don’t think he should be afforded any more excuses - there’s a difference between calling for a managers head and stating that a manager should be held accountable.
But embarrassing to read that some don’t know the difference. | | | |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:23 - Aug 10 with 1031 views | MattinLondon |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:19 - Aug 10 by chrismakin |
Also, there were some Boo's tonight at FT
Now, wouldn't have been alot granted. But, players won't forget it, and this is from a cup game!.
What made us succesful in the past was one club mentality. But if we're already booing 2 games into the season........ it's a long dark path ahead.
Sometimes, some fans don't deserve success. |
I didn’t boo. And even if I did, I doubt if anyone heard them going past my computer. | | | |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:25 - Aug 10 with 1018 views | noggin |
Blimey! We've played one meaningful game with the new squad and you're wetting your pants. |  |
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| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:28 - Aug 10 with 1011 views | MattinLondon |
| The same excuses for managerial failure? on 23:25 - Aug 10 by noggin |
Blimey! We've played one meaningful game with the new squad and you're wetting your pants. |
For crying out loud, it’s not wetting my pants or anyone else’s for that matter. It’s simply a case that Cook shouldn’t be afforded anymore excuses. He was poor last season and he should improve. | | | |
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