| *Club statement* 19:16 - Sep 11 with 22336 views | chrismakin |
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| It's just so sad that it's got to this stage..... on 22:21 - Sep 11 with 2860 views | Dyland |
| It's just so sad that it's got to this stage..... on 22:14 - Sep 11 by Bloots |
....but as you say it was inevitable to some degree.
He's obviously been let down by too many people, whether that's family, social care or "friends" I'm not sure (probably all of them), but it is genuinely sad to see.
It's all just upsetting really.
(Dyllers, you can respond in the traditional way to this post!) |
how bout that? |  |
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| *Club statement* on 22:23 - Sep 11 with 2846 views | chrismakin |
| *Club statement* on 22:18 - Sep 11 by HARRY10 |
I have just seen the tweets. From someone who by them alone has a condition that affects his ability to act rationally in these kind of circumstances.
Sadly I have heard worse, this season at that as well. However, without it being recorded and then posted to the wider world it disappears into the air. Anything beyond a comment is usually met by others with a challenge, and condemnation - so we are spared that hate being spread. Social media cannot react that quick.
Unfortunately, this is being blown out of all proportion.
One individuals comments do not represent other fans or this club. However, as with Trump and others the club should still exclude him from the ground as should social media exclude him.
It would help if those 'encouraging him were 'spoken to' - as there is a very thin line between being an innocent bystander in this matter, and having 'common purpose'. Many are across that line and into the latter area.
Lets condemn this by all means, take the necessary action to stop it happening again (where possible) but let's see this in perspective, as when set against nearly 20,000 who watched the game and not felt the need to do this, and the innumerable posts and comments made about the game on social media where no such offensive remarks were made either.
An isolated incident, by an isolated 'idiot' who society should be isolated from hearing him. |
Personally, those with him, if they are the usual ones who goad him and lead him to do things, they should have the book thrown at them for grooming. It's no different IMO. There is probably a better legal term for it of course, but that's what its like.
They are disgusting individuals who alot of the time make him do things he isn't fully aware of the consequences of. | |
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| *Club statement* on 22:29 - Sep 11 with 2794 views | borge |
| *Club statement* on 22:12 - Sep 11 by Dyland |
Being a canute isn't illegal though, so the tw@ats taking the piss won't get any comeuppance outside a Dead Man's Shoes scenario [Post edited 11 Sep 2021 22:15]
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Maybe there won't be any legal comeuppance for them, but there is every reason for the club to ban them. |  | | |
| *Club statement* on 22:51 - Sep 11 with 2685 views | Lord_Lucan |
I haven’t seen the tweets, I don’t do Twitter or Facebook and the like.
I’m kind of guessing what has gone on by reading between the lines.
I guess the club is in a difficult situation here but have little choice.
Not sure I’m ok with this public hanging to be honest and if you want the truth, I think it’s a bit of a disgrace as from what I have read of the guy over the years the bloke doesn’t really know how to handle life.
Very sad situation. |  |
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| *Club statement* on 22:55 - Sep 11 with 2659 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| *Club statement* on 22:51 - Sep 11 by Lord_Lucan |
I haven’t seen the tweets, I don’t do Twitter or Facebook and the like.
I’m kind of guessing what has gone on by reading between the lines.
I guess the club is in a difficult situation here but have little choice.
Not sure I’m ok with this public hanging to be honest and if you want the truth, I think it’s a bit of a disgrace as from what I have read of the guy over the years the bloke doesn’t really know how to handle life.
Very sad situation. |
Why does everyone think the club is ‘in a difficult situation’.
They really aren’t, Troy will be banned, or the club will be seen, under new, and not to mention American, ownership to be soft on racism.
He’ll be banned, for how long will come down to what else has gone on, but I suspect for three years. |  |
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| *Club statement* on 23:00 - Sep 11 with 2630 views | Terra_Farma |
| *Club statement* on 19:25 - Sep 11 by noggin |
If it is racism and the club are serious about stamping it out, only a lifetime ban is sufficient. Sad day for the club all round. |
Lifetime ban noggin - couldn't agree with you more.
WTF is wrong with these people? | | | |
| *Club statement* on 23:00 - Sep 11 with 2625 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| *Club statement* on 22:09 - Sep 11 by J2BLUE |
Spot on again. |
Did he stop posting on here? Does he still read it? |  |
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| *Club statement* on 23:07 - Sep 11 with 2594 views | Ipswich1984 |
| *Club statement* on 21:44 - Sep 11 by matt92 |
As mentioned previously, I went to the same specialist school as this guy.
I managed to find the video and it's absolutely typical of him mirroring his "mates" behaviour and trying to get a laugh out of them.
He referred to the player as being from a country that doesn't even exist, which is an indicator that he's not fully aware of what he's saying, however, he must have known that a reference to where a black player is from, in the context of a tirade of abuse, amounts to racism.
The inevitable stadium ban will definitely have a negative impact on his mental health, but I think it's for the best. So many people have tried to help him and got nowhere with it. Hopefully, if this goes to court then the authorities will identify the urgent need for him to be cared for by responsible adults, who can provide a much needed positive influence.
It's not entirely his fault, but we can't defend or make excuses for what he said. |
That was exactly my thoughts it if becomes a police matter while it's not a good situation it might allow for him to get the right support he so clearly needs.
Like many have said in the past he is easily manipulated and it can't continue otherwise at some point he could end up seriously hurt as he is so well known not just with ITFC fans but with other fans and some won't take too kindly to what has been said regardless of the situation |  |
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| *Club statement* on 23:15 - Sep 11 with 2565 views | Pinewoodblue |
| *Club statement* on 22:51 - Sep 11 by Lord_Lucan |
I haven’t seen the tweets, I don’t do Twitter or Facebook and the like.
I’m kind of guessing what has gone on by reading between the lines.
I guess the club is in a difficult situation here but have little choice.
Not sure I’m ok with this public hanging to be honest and if you want the truth, I think it’s a bit of a disgrace as from what I have read of the guy over the years the bloke doesn’t really know how to handle life.
Very sad situation. |
Agree about the public hanging. There really is no justification for a few posters to identified him.
As for those egging him on, the club don't need the police to take action before they ban them. Steward should, if doing their job properly, know who they are, be able to pull them out Tuesday interview them and ban until investigations are complete.
The club needs to bring this to a close asap. |  |
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| *Club statement* on 23:29 - Sep 11 with 2498 views | Lord_Lucan |
| *Club statement* on 22:55 - Sep 11 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Why does everyone think the club is ‘in a difficult situation’.
They really aren’t, Troy will be banned, or the club will be seen, under new, and not to mention American, ownership to be soft on racism.
He’ll be banned, for how long will come down to what else has gone on, but I suspect for three years. |
They are in a difficult situation as they probably have some understanding and realise that the lad is probably not a bad person but struggles with living life. Whoever mentioned the film Dead Mans Shoes looks to have come up with a good analogy.
I can’t understand the way some people are thinking about this. People like to bang on about privilege but have no empathy for a troubled man. | |
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| *Club statement* on 23:32 - Sep 11 with 2465 views | HARRY10 |
| *Club statement* on 22:23 - Sep 11 by chrismakin |
Personally, those with him, if they are the usual ones who goad him and lead him to do things, they should have the book thrown at them for grooming. It's no different IMO. There is probably a better legal term for it of course, but that's what its like.
They are disgusting individuals who alot of the time make him do things he isn't fully aware of the consequences of. |
That is the real cause of this (and his) problem.
There is almost an argument that he is not 'criminally responsible' as with the actions of a child under the age of 10. The latter know what is right and wrong, but the key point is they are not considered to have the mental capacity to understand the wider implications of their actions. They are not responsible, in other words.
Yes there are exceptions but the only way to set a point to work from is to set some arbitrary point (age) and then work from there.
Given previous actions, it appears this chap is not capable of rationally thinking through the consequences of his actions. Those encouraging him are, to the extent that he is saying something, they would probably like to say.
He needs help, not punishment - though banning him from the ground and removing his access to social media might appear that way to him. But it is no more than keeping an alcoholic out of a pub and stopping him from buying it elsewhere.
His is not a football problem, it is as societal problem in as much as it needs co-ordinated activity from various sources - not least the police who should now impress upon his 'followers' the likely consequences of their actions.
Address the causes of this rather than have a witch hunt.........however unacceptable any of it is. | | | |
| *Club statement* on 00:10 - Sep 12 with 2305 views | MerseyBlue |
| *Club statement* on 23:29 - Sep 11 by Lord_Lucan |
They are in a difficult situation as they probably have some understanding and realise that the lad is probably not a bad person but struggles with living life. Whoever mentioned the film Dead Mans Shoes looks to have come up with a good analogy.
I can’t understand the way some people are thinking about this. People like to bang on about privilege but have no empathy for a troubled man. |
I think most people on here have shown some degree of empathy for him. A ban is the right thing here, but as others have said, should go hand in hand with some form of rehabilitation for want of a better word. Not only is what happened not on, it also serves to put him at further risk of abuse and manipulation.
With the police involved you would like to think that some proper safeguarding can be carried out. It's really important that someone who can speak with authority makes it clear to him that these people that egg him on are not his friends. With the police and club's involvement I see no reason why something like a three year ban, coupled with some form of social working couldn't result in him being allowed back to Portman Road with a chaperone and under certain conditions being met.
Lessons have got to be learned first though, and as hard as that will be for him, it could well be a blessing in disguise. |  |
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| *Club statement* on 00:32 - Sep 12 with 2216 views | hillbillies |
This whole situation is incredibly sad.
I’m not condoning his behaviour, or comments but a situation like this sadly has been inevitable the past few years.
He used to sit in front of my with his mum in the west stand from about 2005-2015. Very pleasant and enjoyed supporting the Town.
When he moved seats and started hanging around with this new crowd, things have rapidly gone down hill clearly. He’s been terribly taken advantage of by some completely sickening so called ‘fans’ of ours. Social media hasn’t helped him at all.
As others have said, the club has no real choice other than to impose a ban on him. But in doing so, with help from the authorities hopefully he can get the help he desperately needs. The club MUST look into the people he goes to football with as well, and punish them accordingly as well.
A desperately sad day for the club on and off the pitch. Let’s hope it doesn’t get any lower than this. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 0:33]
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| *Club statement* on 01:02 - Sep 12 with 2145 views | timothyeo |
| *Club statement* on 19:58 - Sep 11 by Cheltenham_Blue |
But they won’t be banned, as certainly in the stadium, they appear to have thrown him under the bus. The stuff outside the stadium he appears to be on his own but may not be.
I’d be interested to know, if people know that this is the kind of thing his ‘mates’ do to him, especially away, why no one has had the balls to step in?
Seems from here that everyone knows they need a slap and warning off him, but no one wants to do it. |
I dont know the person or his mates, so I'm not much help.
But lots on here seem to and there are suggestions some of you on here even sit near them...why haven't you said anything? | | | |
| *Club statement* on 02:28 - Sep 12 with 2017 views | pointofblue |
| *Club statement* on 01:02 - Sep 12 by timothyeo |
I dont know the person or his mates, so I'm not much help.
But lots on here seem to and there are suggestions some of you on here even sit near them...why haven't you said anything? |
In fairness things have been said before. He himself has been told on numerous occasions the risk these scumbags carry and, as said previously, others have even offered him the opportunity to go to football with them, where he’d have been welcomed as one of the group but not encouraged to appeal to the lowest common denominator. He was advised that he needed to leave social media because he was being exploited and targeted. He ignored all advice given and, sadly, an outcome
like this was inevitable.
I hope he gets the help he needs but I cannot see anything but a long term ban coming his way, not to mention that the police may press charges. | |
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| Yep, that's my concern...... on 14:23 - Sep 12 with 1602 views | Parky |
| Yep, that's my concern...... on 21:50 - Sep 11 by Bluefish |
I didn't notice anything racist |
Calling a black footballer a “malaria c**t” is racist. | | | |
| Yep, that's my concern...... on 14:29 - Sep 12 with 1574 views | noggin |
| Yep, that's my concern...... on 14:23 - Sep 12 by Parky |
Calling a black footballer a “malaria c**t” is racist. |
What does that even mean? |  |
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| *Club statement* on 14:31 - Sep 12 with 1565 views | bluelagos |
Given that the individual is somewhat vulnerable, easily led and far from a mature adult, I'd hope the club / police and supporters take the appropriate steps to address this.
My understanding (speaking to a carer today who provides help to special needs adults) is that the club often offer "carer" tickets to supporters that means vulnerable fans are supported at Portman Rd. Seems to me crystal clear that as/when any ban (if it comes) is completed, such a solution has to be found.
I'd like to think the club can address this so we don't ever get a repeat of yesterday's events off the pitch. And if Troy refused such an offer, then I think a longer ban should be implemented. |  |
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| *Club statement* on 14:35 - Sep 12 with 1538 views | Reuser_is_God |
Where the fcuk are Troy’s parents? |  |
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| Yep, that's my concern...... on 14:41 - Sep 12 with 1506 views | Parky |
| Yep, that's my concern...... on 14:29 - Sep 12 by noggin |
What does that even mean? |
I’m not the one that said it, but baring in mind this was said after he also wished for their player to die from aids, I have no doubt that it’s racist. - Would he have said these if the opposing player was white? I think not. | | | |
| *Club statement* on 14:52 - Sep 12 with 1471 views | J2BLUE |
| *Club statement* on 14:35 - Sep 12 by Reuser_is_God |
Where the fcuk are Troy’s parents? |
Having an autistic family member is incredibly difficult even if you have a small army of people to help. For all we know his mum could be on her own.
It's a fair question to ask but in a more polite manner that doesn't assume they neglect him. |  |
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| *Club statement* on 15:09 - Sep 12 with 1422 views | ArnieM |
Whilst I do NOT condone the individuals action on social media , part of me asks what was the said player thinking of when he deliberately goaded the SBR stand as soon as he scored that first goal? WHY did he do it? The crowd had not even noticed him or paid any attention to him until he did what he did …. So in many respects he can’t complain when some individuals have reacted. I noticed their GK was also taking the piss at the SBR cried whenever his team scored …. WHY?
I think Bolton as a club , fans and team have always been a bunch of arse holes. I haven’t chdd as need my opinion after Saturdays game either . |  |
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| *Club statement* on 15:16 - Sep 12 with 1382 views | J2BLUE |
| *Club statement* on 15:09 - Sep 12 by ArnieM |
Whilst I do NOT condone the individuals action on social media , part of me asks what was the said player thinking of when he deliberately goaded the SBR stand as soon as he scored that first goal? WHY did he do it? The crowd had not even noticed him or paid any attention to him until he did what he did …. So in many respects he can’t complain when some individuals have reacted. I noticed their GK was also taking the piss at the SBR cried whenever his team scored …. WHY?
I think Bolton as a club , fans and team have always been a bunch of arse holes. I haven’t chdd as need my opinion after Saturdays game either . |
It's part of football for players to give a bit back. I still remember Crooks giving us some when he scored two for Rotherham. I still dislike that tw@t Maddison for the shh gesture.
His celebration does not lessen that video in any way. | |
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| *Club statement* on 15:20 - Sep 12 with 1369 views | SuperCoops |
| *Club statement* on 14:31 - Sep 12 by bluelagos |
Given that the individual is somewhat vulnerable, easily led and far from a mature adult, I'd hope the club / police and supporters take the appropriate steps to address this.
My understanding (speaking to a carer today who provides help to special needs adults) is that the club often offer "carer" tickets to supporters that means vulnerable fans are supported at Portman Rd. Seems to me crystal clear that as/when any ban (if it comes) is completed, such a solution has to be found.
I'd like to think the club can address this so we don't ever get a repeat of yesterday's events off the pitch. And if Troy refused such an offer, then I think a longer ban should be implemented. |
Having a son with Autism myself, what I would say is why is it the club's responsibility to take "appropriate steps to address this"?
It is not the club's issue whether Troy has an adult, support worker or "carer" to support Troy or be at games with him. That will be the authorities, so maybe they've failed Troy. But the club have a duty to adhere to their rules on such events and need to be seen to do so.
But the club has, unfairly, been brought into the spotlight on this by whoever published this video, as much as the "friends" Troy has around him that have undoubtedly egged him on.
I don't think Troy's vulnerability is the club's issue and I think they have to be seen to ban such behaviour. But I would hope they would investigate the people around him and ensure that some punishment is metered out to them as well as they've set Troy up to fail.
I can appreciate the human element of it, and presuming his ban isn't made permanent, they could recognise the potential impact and perhaps offer a condition that he does come with a "carer", but who that person is wouldn't be their responsibility. |  | | |
| *Club statement* on 15:24 - Sep 12 with 1346 views | SuperCoops |
| *Club statement* on 15:09 - Sep 12 by ArnieM |
Whilst I do NOT condone the individuals action on social media , part of me asks what was the said player thinking of when he deliberately goaded the SBR stand as soon as he scored that first goal? WHY did he do it? The crowd had not even noticed him or paid any attention to him until he did what he did …. So in many respects he can’t complain when some individuals have reacted. I noticed their GK was also taking the piss at the SBR cried whenever his team scored …. WHY?
I think Bolton as a club , fans and team have always been a bunch of arse holes. I haven’t chdd as need my opinion after Saturdays game either . |
Do you direct that at the likes of Vardy, Shearer, Adebayor etc? It's the nature of the beast to celebrate in front of the opposition. Even Robert Fleck did it, and Norwood! | | | |
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