| *Club statement* 19:16 - Sep 11 with 22337 views | chrismakin |
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| *Club statement* on 15:26 - Sep 12 with 2371 views | bluelagos |
| *Club statement* on 15:20 - Sep 12 by SuperCoops |
Having a son with Autism myself, what I would say is why is it the club's responsibility to take "appropriate steps to address this"?
It is not the club's issue whether Troy has an adult, support worker or "carer" to support Troy or be at games with him. That will be the authorities, so maybe they've failed Troy. But the club have a duty to adhere to their rules on such events and need to be seen to do so.
But the club has, unfairly, been brought into the spotlight on this by whoever published this video, as much as the "friends" Troy has around him that have undoubtedly egged him on.
I don't think Troy's vulnerability is the club's issue and I think they have to be seen to ban such behaviour. But I would hope they would investigate the people around him and ensure that some punishment is metered out to them as well as they've set Troy up to fail.
I can appreciate the human element of it, and presuming his ban isn't made permanent, they could recognise the potential impact and perhaps offer a condition that he does come with a "carer", but who that person is wouldn't be their responsibility. |
Agree with pretty much all of that.
From your opening sentence you seem to be of the opinion that I think it is the club's responsibility?
That's not my position, am firmly of the view that the individual should be better supported by his carers whether that is family and/or social services.
I was trying to point out some good work the club do to help other vulnerable fans, and hope they can do something similar for Troy. |  |
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| *Club statement* on 15:33 - Sep 12 with 2317 views | SuperCoops |
| *Club statement* on 15:26 - Sep 12 by bluelagos |
Agree with pretty much all of that.
From your opening sentence you seem to be of the opinion that I think it is the club's responsibility?
That's not my position, am firmly of the view that the individual should be better supported by his carers whether that is family and/or social services.
I was trying to point out some good work the club do to help other vulnerable fans, and hope they can do something similar for Troy. |
Maybe I read it wrong, but that's what I took from this paragraph of yours:
"Given that the individual is somewhat vulnerable, easily led and far from a mature adult, I'd hope the club / police and supporters take the appropriate steps to address this. "
The only issue that the club are really forced to take is banning Troy because of the nature of the comments. The issues of Troy being a vulnerable adult need to be addressed by others - not club, police, supporters etc. |  | | |
| *Club statement* on 15:34 - Sep 12 with 2312 views | wkj |
| *Club statement* on 15:26 - Sep 12 by bluelagos |
Agree with pretty much all of that.
From your opening sentence you seem to be of the opinion that I think it is the club's responsibility?
That's not my position, am firmly of the view that the individual should be better supported by his carers whether that is family and/or social services.
I was trying to point out some good work the club do to help other vulnerable fans, and hope they can do something similar for Troy. |
I think the club has to be tough in this situation and take a consistent approach. However, if down the line Troy (and any other banned fan) can make crystal clear they have learned from the mistake and the collaborating factors and/people ars are not influencing the actions of the individual - then empathy can be shown.
The club legally has to be consistent though, otherwise, they will be open to legal challenges that will highlight inconsistencies and potentially allow people back into PR who are utterly beyond reproach. |  |
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| *Club statement* on 17:23 - Sep 12 with 2111 views | Whataday78 |
| *Club statement* on 19:52 - Sep 11 by wkj |
I figured that the issue revolved around him. You, I and many others tried to tell him that social media was a terrible place to spend his time. It's sad that he has to come to realise this in such a serious manner.
It is a tough one really as the nature of what happened has to come with firm punishment no matter the back story and influences behind the person. However, it massively sucks as the lad is, as you say, not at all taken care of by his friends - and I have a hard time believing he'd do this if he wasn't being influenced. |
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m quite sure he sits with some of the fellas from Blue Action.. he certainly goes to the pub with them as I’ve seen them all together. |  | | |
| *Club statement* on 17:34 - Sep 12 with 2073 views | ArnieM |
| *Club statement* on 15:16 - Sep 12 by J2BLUE |
It's part of football for players to give a bit back. I still remember Crooks giving us some when he scored two for Rotherham. I still dislike that tw@t Maddison for the shh gesture.
His celebration does not lessen that video in any way. |
But that’s my point . Town fans did absolutely nothing towards him…. Then he took the piss like we’d been giving him flack throughout the game ( which we hadn’t at all).
I’m not saying he deserves racial abuse - ABSOLUTELY NOT!! But, him giving it large in front of the home end, it was going to happen that someone would “have a go back” on social media , and he shouldn’t be surprised to receive ….. |  |
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| *Club statement* on 17:51 - Sep 12 with 2024 views | SuperCoops |
| *Club statement* on 17:34 - Sep 12 by ArnieM |
But that’s my point . Town fans did absolutely nothing towards him…. Then he took the piss like we’d been giving him flack throughout the game ( which we hadn’t at all).
I’m not saying he deserves racial abuse - ABSOLUTELY NOT!! But, him giving it large in front of the home end, it was going to happen that someone would “have a go back” on social media , and he shouldn’t be surprised to receive ….. |
Are you seriously trying to justify what Troy did? Really? | | | |
| *Club statement* on 18:11 - Sep 12 with 1980 views | timothyeo |
| *Club statement* on 15:09 - Sep 12 by ArnieM |
Whilst I do NOT condone the individuals action on social media , part of me asks what was the said player thinking of when he deliberately goaded the SBR stand as soon as he scored that first goal? WHY did he do it? The crowd had not even noticed him or paid any attention to him until he did what he did …. So in many respects he can’t complain when some individuals have reacted. I noticed their GK was also taking the piss at the SBR cried whenever his team scored …. WHY?
I think Bolton as a club , fans and team have always been a bunch of arse holes. I haven’t chdd as need my opinion after Saturdays game either . |
What an absolutely pathetic, cringeworthy and despicable take. | | | |
| *Club statement* on 18:13 - Sep 12 with 1971 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| *Club statement* on 17:34 - Sep 12 by ArnieM |
But that’s my point . Town fans did absolutely nothing towards him…. Then he took the piss like we’d been giving him flack throughout the game ( which we hadn’t at all).
I’m not saying he deserves racial abuse - ABSOLUTELY NOT!! But, him giving it large in front of the home end, it was going to happen that someone would “have a go back” on social media , and he shouldn’t be surprised to receive ….. |
Nope sorry but that’s victim blaming. An absolutely nonsensical take on a serious issue and no matter how he celebrated, he shouldn’t have to expect that ‘someone would have a go back’ |  |
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| *Club statement* on 18:32 - Sep 12 with 1910 views | SuperCoops |
| *Club statement* on 18:13 - Sep 12 by The_Romford_Blue |
Nope sorry but that’s victim blaming. An absolutely nonsensical take on a serious issue and no matter how he celebrated, he shouldn’t have to expect that ‘someone would have a go back’ |
Exactly. I'm sure he probably expected a reaction of some kind, but in 2021 the "reaction" he got should never be accepted, condoned or tolerated. | | | |
| *Club statement* on 18:56 - Sep 12 with 1846 views | Ryorry |
| *Club statement* on 02:28 - Sep 12 by pointofblue |
In fairness things have been said before. He himself has been told on numerous occasions the risk these scumbags carry and, as said previously, others have even offered him the opportunity to go to football with them, where he’d have been welcomed as one of the group but not encouraged to appeal to the lowest common denominator. He was advised that he needed to leave social media because he was being exploited and targeted. He ignored all advice given and, sadly, an outcome
like this was inevitable.
I hope he gets the help he needs but I cannot see anything but a long term ban coming his way, not to mention that the police may press charges. |
With the best will in the world, the people on here who've tried to help aren't professionals with the skillsets this young man seems to need by all accounts. From what's been said previously by those who know him, the issue is exactly that he's unable to take on board serious stuff that's advised to him through reasoning/thought processes outside of any immediate 'here and now' situation.
If it weren't football, it'd be something else on social media that he could easily get into very hot water about. I hope being caught (relatively) early by this incident turns out to be a blessing in disguise for him (as someone else also said, sorry I can't remember who). |  |
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| *Club statement* on 19:19 - Sep 12 with 1769 views | textbackup |
| *Club statement* on 18:56 - Sep 12 by Ryorry |
With the best will in the world, the people on here who've tried to help aren't professionals with the skillsets this young man seems to need by all accounts. From what's been said previously by those who know him, the issue is exactly that he's unable to take on board serious stuff that's advised to him through reasoning/thought processes outside of any immediate 'here and now' situation.
If it weren't football, it'd be something else on social media that he could easily get into very hot water about. I hope being caught (relatively) early by this incident turns out to be a blessing in disguise for him (as someone else also said, sorry I can't remember who). |
if he were to get a ban from the club, I think it could have a potentially terrible outcome for him. hes tweeted many a time that hes felt like ending it etc |  |
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| *Club statement* on 19:21 - Sep 12 with 1759 views | Swansea_Blue |
| *Club statement* on 18:56 - Sep 12 by Ryorry |
With the best will in the world, the people on here who've tried to help aren't professionals with the skillsets this young man seems to need by all accounts. From what's been said previously by those who know him, the issue is exactly that he's unable to take on board serious stuff that's advised to him through reasoning/thought processes outside of any immediate 'here and now' situation.
If it weren't football, it'd be something else on social media that he could easily get into very hot water about. I hope being caught (relatively) early by this incident turns out to be a blessing in disguise for him (as someone else also said, sorry I can't remember who). |
Well said Ryorry. I don’t know anything about the guy’s background, but he seems to be lacking the support he needs. I don’t know who’s responsibility that is and I don’t know how far on the spectrum he is, but he obviously needs help. It’s a shame there’s not a parent or former guardian or reliable friend making sure he doesn’t get into situations like this. Racial abuse is obviously unacceptable, but if he’s got issues around autism/learning difficulties, etc., that is a mitigating circumstance imo and he needs professional support and a friend/family network to support him. |  |
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| *Club statement* on 19:26 - Sep 12 with 1731 views | SitfcB |
| *Club statement* on 15:09 - Sep 12 by ArnieM |
Whilst I do NOT condone the individuals action on social media , part of me asks what was the said player thinking of when he deliberately goaded the SBR stand as soon as he scored that first goal? WHY did he do it? The crowd had not even noticed him or paid any attention to him until he did what he did …. So in many respects he can’t complain when some individuals have reacted. I noticed their GK was also taking the piss at the SBR cried whenever his team scored …. WHY?
I think Bolton as a club , fans and team have always been a bunch of arse holes. I haven’t chdd as need my opinion after Saturdays game either . |
That’s football. I enjoy it. A shame a lot of fans cry about it. |  |
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| *Club statement* on 19:29 - Sep 12 with 1716 views | shamboy |
| *Club statement* on 18:56 - Sep 12 by Ryorry |
With the best will in the world, the people on here who've tried to help aren't professionals with the skillsets this young man seems to need by all accounts. From what's been said previously by those who know him, the issue is exactly that he's unable to take on board serious stuff that's advised to him through reasoning/thought processes outside of any immediate 'here and now' situation.
If it weren't football, it'd be something else on social media that he could easily get into very hot water about. I hope being caught (relatively) early by this incident turns out to be a blessing in disguise for him (as someone else also said, sorry I can't remember who). |
This is all so true.
For what it's worth, Troy and one of his collaborator's were captured on CCTV at Colchester United doing something totally unconnected with yesterday's event, but which was sufficiently serious to cause a ban. Not sure if it applied to one or both.
My two penn'orth is that yesterday's issue is all to do with mental illness and nothing to do with racism. I am sure his only motive was to gain favour and attention. I mention it as the powers that be need to focus on the root cause. | | | |
| *Club statement* on 19:37 - Sep 12 with 1687 views | Bluedicea |
I'm not going to comment on the situation.
A lot of you have said he was let down and he needs a responsible adult to supervise him.
Didn't the club, many years ago, used to have a chaperone service for vulnerable people, so they could attend games in safety?
I'm sure I remember a few of my clients talking about it? If they did, is it still there or was he just not eligible? |  |
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| *Club statement* on 19:47 - Sep 12 with 1655 views | J2BLUE |
24 hours later and not one of his 'mates' has come on here to defend themselves. Says it all. Keeping a low profile now until Troy is thrown under the bus.
Let me be clear that a ban is needed. The club have no choice. I just hope it's relatively short and he is allowed back if he agrees to move away from those idiots and sit with someone who will look after him. |  |
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| *Club statement* on 20:01 - Sep 12 with 1621 views | Superblue95 |
| *Club statement* on 19:47 - Sep 12 by J2BLUE |
24 hours later and not one of his 'mates' has come on here to defend themselves. Says it all. Keeping a low profile now until Troy is thrown under the bus.
Let me be clear that a ban is needed. The club have no choice. I just hope it's relatively short and he is allowed back if he agrees to move away from those idiots and sit with someone who will look after him. |
Do they post on here?
Hope they’re reading these comments pointing out what scum they are if so. |  |
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| *Club statement* on 20:03 - Sep 12 with 1614 views | chrismakin |
| *Club statement* on 20:01 - Sep 12 by Superblue95 |
Do they post on here?
Hope they’re reading these comments pointing out what scum they are if so. |
I saw some mention elsewhere that Blue action members are involved. I really hope that's not true | |
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| *Club statement* on 20:09 - Sep 12 with 1596 views | Reuser_is_God |
| *Club statement* on 20:03 - Sep 12 by chrismakin |
I saw some mention elsewhere that Blue action members are involved. I really hope that's not true |
Not true. |  |
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| *Club statement* on 20:13 - Sep 12 with 1572 views | J2BLUE |
| *Club statement* on 20:03 - Sep 12 by chrismakin |
I saw some mention elsewhere that Blue action members are involved. I really hope that's not true |
IIRC Blue Action were some of the good people who actually offered him a chance to join them and said they would look out for him. Unfortunately it was another offer Troy didn't take. | |
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| *Club statement* on 20:17 - Sep 12 with 1544 views | Seablu |
| *Club statement* on 15:09 - Sep 12 by ArnieM |
Whilst I do NOT condone the individuals action on social media , part of me asks what was the said player thinking of when he deliberately goaded the SBR stand as soon as he scored that first goal? WHY did he do it? The crowd had not even noticed him or paid any attention to him until he did what he did …. So in many respects he can’t complain when some individuals have reacted. I noticed their GK was also taking the piss at the SBR cried whenever his team scored …. WHY?
I think Bolton as a club , fans and team have always been a bunch of arse holes. I haven’t chdd as need my opinion after Saturdays game either . |
One of the most stupid and mindless things I’ve ever seen typed on here.
You should be thoroughly ashamed if that is seriously your viewpoint.
You are a huge part of the problem. |  | | |
| *Club statement* on 20:54 - Sep 12 with 1432 views | itfc_bucks |
| *Club statement* on 19:47 - Sep 12 by J2BLUE |
24 hours later and not one of his 'mates' has come on here to defend themselves. Says it all. Keeping a low profile now until Troy is thrown under the bus.
Let me be clear that a ban is needed. The club have no choice. I just hope it's relatively short and he is allowed back if he agrees to move away from those idiots and sit with someone who will look after him. |
What could any of them possibly say in their defence which any of us would give a sht about?
It would just make my div list a little easier to admin. | | | |
| *Club statement* on 20:56 - Sep 12 with 1419 views | Esseeja |
| *Club statement* on 21:44 - Sep 11 by matt92 |
As mentioned previously, I went to the same specialist school as this guy.
I managed to find the video and it's absolutely typical of him mirroring his "mates" behaviour and trying to get a laugh out of them.
He referred to the player as being from a country that doesn't even exist, which is an indicator that he's not fully aware of what he's saying, however, he must have known that a reference to where a black player is from, in the context of a tirade of abuse, amounts to racism.
The inevitable stadium ban will definitely have a negative impact on his mental health, but I think it's for the best. So many people have tried to help him and got nowhere with it. Hopefully, if this goes to court then the authorities will identify the urgent need for him to be cared for by responsible adults, who can provide a much needed positive influence.
It's not entirely his fault, but we can't defend or make excuses for what he said. |
I could only see this as positive if the ban is eventually lifted after what I can only hope is a successful period after (potential) court case. | | | |
| *Club statement* on 21:09 - Sep 12 with 1373 views | Blue_Order |
| *Club statement* on 20:03 - Sep 12 by chrismakin |
I saw some mention elsewhere that Blue action members are involved. I really hope that's not true |
Absolutely not true. As J2 said, some of our members have tried to help him previously.
He drinks in the same pub as us before games and we’re on friendly terms with him, but we don’t stand near him in the ground, and none of us are part of any group that’s around him outside. |  | | |
| *Club statement* on 02:03 - Sep 13 with 1126 views | Beyriey |
| *Club statement* on 21:09 - Sep 12 by Blue_Order |
Absolutely not true. As J2 said, some of our members have tried to help him previously.
He drinks in the same pub as us before games and we’re on friendly terms with him, but we don’t stand near him in the ground, and none of us are part of any group that’s around him outside. |
I'm rarely active on this forum, though first off I just want to put to the record that I obviously don't condone anything said during the video.
I've been fairly close to the individual recorded in the video for quite some time, as he would always comment on my Twitter posts about Ipswich, and would often just want to talk about football. His social media usage drastically changed when he met a bunch of fans on social media. I have a rough idea of who they are judging by what he's told me, though it would be unfair to throw out allegations against anybody.
There seems to be an element of peer pressure in the relationship that he has with them. He's often upset by things they've said to him or things that they've told him despite the fact that he still regularly attends games with them. They've also joked about his mental health, and have jokingly encouraged him to harm himself, which regardless, is absolutely not on. There was also an incident last year where one of these lads actively tried to prank him by convincing him that his season ticket had been taken away. In fact, there was a thread on it last year:
The club was incredibly supportive, though saying that, we need to be careful. I agree with those who've suggested that he should be taken to games by a responsible adult. We need to keep in mind the circumstances behind what has happened. It could also be helpful to let him know what was wrong with what he had said, as it is more than likely that he was coerced into saying those disgusting comments. [Post edited 13 Sep 2021 2:05]
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