| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... 21:26 - Oct 2 with 3288 views | OriginalMarkyP |
How much time?
10 games. 2 wins. 4 draws. 4 losses.
A lot of people mentioned 10 games as a point at which to assess. (But let's forget we've lost 2 other games this season that it is politic to ignore).
And forget too, the games he was in charge of last season where he failed to motivate a team who couldve gone up, instead (if we believe what those ITK) choosing to tell them he was going to bring lots of his own players in almost as soon as he arrived.
So again, How Much Time?
15 games? 20? 30? |  |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 21:28 - Oct 2 with 2394 views | chrismakin |
Depends what the minimal target is for the owners
IF it's promotion this season, then PC has 3 games left imo
If it's not promotion then he'll be here until the summer |  |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 21:48 - Oct 2 with 2327 views | Iwasthere |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 21:28 - Oct 2 by chrismakin |
Depends what the minimal target is for the owners
IF it's promotion this season, then PC has 3 games left imo
If it's not promotion then he'll be here until the summer |
I don't think there is any doubt that the owners expect promotion this season, The question for them is can Cook deliver? It appears unlikely. so what have they got to lose in appointing another manager?
I expect Ashton is sounding out possible replacements currently..The players are mostly on long term contracts and, contrary to what they said when signing, they are not playing for him. IMO a new manager would have few problems with the players.
I believe Cook's days are numbered. |  | | |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 21:56 - Oct 2 with 2291 views | Oldboy |
The previous 3 games suggest more time should be given. I would say 3 more games to convince me that he is up to the job or not. |  | | |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 21:56 - Oct 2 with 2296 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I had given up on him after Bolton because I couldn't see it improving. The past 4 matches have shown the improvement I didn't think possible despite the backward step today.
I would say a minimum of 10 points from the next 5 matches. That is a minimum of 3 wins and a draw. That is also the sort of form we now need to sustain.
So, in short, 2 defeats from any of the next 5 matches and it's curtains for me. Fail to win in the next 3, it's curtains for me. 20 points from 15 matches is not great but it's a start. Fewer than that and we are too far short of where we should be for me. |  |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:00 - Oct 2 with 2262 views | Churchman |
I’m not interested in dredging last season’s team. They were awful. I’m not interested meaningless cup games this season either. Who cares.
I am interested in getting out of this tinpot league. It’s easy to do. It’s full of rubbish teams. All you need is a bit of organisation and players who will give 100% and play for each other. That’s us done then.
We are deservedly down the bottom of League One. No debate, we belong there. 10 games, 6 at home, relatively easy fixtures bar Lincoln away prove it. The big boys Portsmouth away, Wycombe, Oxford, Sunderland, twice before Christmas - I bet they can’t wait. They’ll be able to rest players if they want to. Why? Because they are up against soft little Ipswich. There for the taking, same as last year albeit with different faces.
It’s not good enough. The Board and Ashton need to sit down and identify the reason why we are yet again so poor and make some decisions. Cook gets the next 5 games for me. End of October. I don’t expect much now but he’s here and the decision makers need to identify a replacement before this latest pathetic shambles is ended or Cook gets his act together. |  | | |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:24 - Oct 2 with 2172 views | Fixed_It |
Not sure who is available who would improve us, and the risk is that further disruption mid-season could prove to be even more damaging. I think we need to hold our nerve, and believe we'll reap the rewards if we do. Tuesday showed us what this team is capable of. |  |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:29 - Oct 2 with 2133 views | chrismakin |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:24 - Oct 2 by Fixed_It |
Not sure who is available who would improve us, and the risk is that further disruption mid-season could prove to be even more damaging. I think we need to hold our nerve, and believe we'll reap the rewards if we do. Tuesday showed us what this team is capable of. |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:31 - Oct 2 with 2128 views | OriginalMarkyP |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:24 - Oct 2 by Fixed_It |
Not sure who is available who would improve us, and the risk is that further disruption mid-season could prove to be even more damaging. I think we need to hold our nerve, and believe we'll reap the rewards if we do. Tuesday showed us what this team is capable of. |
I admire your resolve and optimism.
But equally in most of the other games we've seen glaring evidence of what this team is not capable of, and a Plan B. | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:33 - Oct 2 with 2105 views | Fixed_It |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:29 - Oct 2 by chrismakin |
Paul warne |
Hmmmm. He hates us! | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:33 - Oct 2 with 2112 views | TheBoyBlue |
I don't know. We need to go up this season and personally I think there is more risk of that not happening by changing manager again and allowing them to bed in then just letting Cook develop the squad he has built, especially as the signs are there. I guess if we got to Christmas and we had stalled on the improvements then our best chance might be to give a new guy the January window to improve things as they see fit, but I'm confident that Cook will have got things well and truly going by then. | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:33 - Oct 2 with 2098 views | chrismakin |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:33 - Oct 2 by Fixed_It |
Hmmmm. He hates us! |
Oh maybe not then lol | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:38 - Oct 2 with 2075 views | Funge |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:24 - Oct 2 by Fixed_It |
Not sure who is available who would improve us, and the risk is that further disruption mid-season could prove to be even more damaging. I think we need to hold our nerve, and believe we'll reap the rewards if we do. Tuesday showed us what this team is capable of. |
You had blind optimism with Lambert too, well past the point when he'd palpably lost interest. |  | | |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:41 - Oct 2 with 2054 views | Churchman |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:24 - Oct 2 by Fixed_It |
Not sure who is available who would improve us, and the risk is that further disruption mid-season could prove to be even more damaging. I think we need to hold our nerve, and believe we'll reap the rewards if we do. Tuesday showed us what this team is capable of. |
Two wins in ten games, hardest fixtures to come, relegation zone how could a change be more damaging exactly? Paying off Cook and his mates might cost, but carrying on as are is surely more damaging.
This is League One. It should be a piece of cake, but we are miles off. Not even close. Coventry with no money and no ground at the time walzed out of this league season before last with ease and no little style. Wycombe with no resources murdered this league in the same season. It really isn’t that tough. [Post edited 2 Oct 2021 22:42]
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:45 - Oct 2 with 2013 views | SitfcB |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:29 - Oct 2 by chrismakin |
Paul warne |
No more Paul’s and no more scummers. |  |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 23:01 - Oct 2 with 1931 views | Fixed_It |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:38 - Oct 2 by Funge |
You had blind optimism with Lambert too, well past the point when he'd palpably lost interest. |
Not actually true. I wanted Lambert to succeed, but by November (when he was still interested) I realised that he was a busted flush and wanted him to go.
I don't believe this is the same situation, but I'll let you know if I change my mind. | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 23:03 - Oct 2 with 1918 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:24 - Oct 2 by Fixed_It |
Not sure who is available who would improve us, and the risk is that further disruption mid-season could prove to be even more damaging. I think we need to hold our nerve, and believe we'll reap the rewards if we do. Tuesday showed us what this team is capable of. |
Fail to win next Saturday and I think we will have Chris Wilder for the next game. |  |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 23:09 - Oct 2 with 1898 views | Vaughan8 |
Changing the manager rarely works. He's only been in the job less than a year. Most if that with the shambolic team of last season.
A lot of the players have come here partly because of cook so sacking him this early doesn't seem like the plan to me?
Then what? We give the next manager weeks/months to sort the team out?
Personally I would give him until Christmas/new year unless we go on a 5-6 game winless streak again. | | | |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 00:51 - Oct 3 with 1732 views | ketton_itfc |
Defo more time. We've just let him carve up a whole team and signed 19 players. To say his overall time here on the pitch has been underwhelming is an understatement.
But we've seen within 3 of the last 4 games progress. I think the next 10 games are critical and we need to be going into December, Xmas within touching distance of the play-offs. If we amass 10 over the next 10 games I'd be very surprised if he made it to the New Year.
It's got to be 15 points an absolute minimum preferably 18-20 points.
I think Cook can still turn this round. But he's in a tighter and tighter position after every loss. |  | | |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 03:04 - Oct 3 with 1665 views | Minneapolis_ITFC |
His record here is mostly sh1t since coming in. Not prepared to ramp up plaudits and give it time philosophies, I just see an individual struggling at a club set-up he should never have been placed at to begin with.
biggest concern is when we do - and we will - remove him from the payroll who's going to take charge next ? Not since Joe Royle have we had a manager that seemed anywhere near competent and the timeline there is 15 years back and more. I mean seriously, you have to put it into words to believe it.
Bottom line if the team isn't in the top six by end of year then Cook has to go. Do it while there's enough points left in the season to salvage it and pass the stick to someone else. Say again our record of attracting the right team coach in recent years isn't the best which always leaves an element of doubt. |  | | |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 04:09 - Oct 3 with 1639 views | BondiBlue |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:24 - Oct 2 by Fixed_It |
Not sure who is available who would improve us, and the risk is that further disruption mid-season could prove to be even more damaging. I think we need to hold our nerve, and believe we'll reap the rewards if we do. Tuesday showed us what this team is capable of. |
https://blog.marathonbet.co.uk/football-managers-out-of-work/#Out-of-Work_Manage
Some decent managers in that list. Ashton's convinced some good players to join us so maybe he could convince a steve cooper or chris wilder to join. | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 06:56 - Oct 3 with 1511 views | bluestandard |
This is a good question, but the answer isn’t straightforward imo. For what it’s worth, I think Cook deserves a lot more time than many on the forum are suggesting. The exact amount does depend on what emerges on the pitch.
Personally, I think Cook should be given the season to show what he can do with this squad of players. My only caveat to this is if he loses the dressing room in some major way. I know that doesn’t sit well with many on the board, but anyone who has ever tried to put a team of people together for a common goal in any walk of life will understand why it doesn’t always happen straight away. I get that we’re all desperate for Town to succeed so I do feel everyone’s pain here!
I will make a prediction though. ITFC to make the play offs this year. Let’s see how this ages lol! | | | |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 07:04 - Oct 3 with 1499 views | wkj |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 06:56 - Oct 3 by bluestandard |
This is a good question, but the answer isn’t straightforward imo. For what it’s worth, I think Cook deserves a lot more time than many on the forum are suggesting. The exact amount does depend on what emerges on the pitch.
Personally, I think Cook should be given the season to show what he can do with this squad of players. My only caveat to this is if he loses the dressing room in some major way. I know that doesn’t sit well with many on the board, but anyone who has ever tried to put a team of people together for a common goal in any walk of life will understand why it doesn’t always happen straight away. I get that we’re all desperate for Town to succeed so I do feel everyone’s pain here!
I will make a prediction though. ITFC to make the play offs this year. Let’s see how this ages lol! |
I am also of the point that Cook should probably see out the season. Not so much that Cook deserves more time, but because we are far too patient as fans with new managers.
Let's run this train of thought with the scenario being that Cook will not change our fortunes this season. If we get a new manager in now, and he fails to deliver promotion - we'll end up in another situation where we give someone a free ride for a partial season, then allow way too long in their first season to get running and end up with another manager who we're divided on.
If Cook is to go, then I would prefer it being right at the close of the season and his replacement coming in with a full summer to plan, train, manager friendlies and bond with his team - then hit the new season with a clean slate. |  |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 07:07 - Oct 3 with 1495 views | blueconscience |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:29 - Oct 2 by chrismakin |
Paul warne |
No more Pauls!!! |  |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 07:30 - Oct 3 with 1440 views | Yallop |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 06:56 - Oct 3 by bluestandard |
This is a good question, but the answer isn’t straightforward imo. For what it’s worth, I think Cook deserves a lot more time than many on the forum are suggesting. The exact amount does depend on what emerges on the pitch.
Personally, I think Cook should be given the season to show what he can do with this squad of players. My only caveat to this is if he loses the dressing room in some major way. I know that doesn’t sit well with many on the board, but anyone who has ever tried to put a team of people together for a common goal in any walk of life will understand why it doesn’t always happen straight away. I get that we’re all desperate for Town to succeed so I do feel everyone’s pain here!
I will make a prediction though. ITFC to make the play offs this year. Let’s see how this ages lol! |
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