| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner 14:26 - Oct 18 with 19665 views | MaySixth |
when we do win a game under Cook there can be no bandwagon jumping or changing their minds
no coming back now though for those who have nailed their colours to the mast
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 16:15 - Oct 20 with 1463 views | jayessess |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 15:39 - Oct 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Except this thread was started before the win... |
But bumped after the win and started specifically for the purpose of "I-told-you-soing", wasn't it? |  |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 21:00 - Oct 20 with 1382 views | ScottCandage |
Who made you king? I didn't vote for you. |  | | |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 21:49 - Oct 21 with 1293 views | MaySixth |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 16:15 - Oct 20 by jayessess |
But bumped after the win and started specifically for the purpose of "I-told-you-soing", wasn't it? |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 22:16 - Oct 21 with 1257 views | jayessess |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 21:49 - Oct 21 by MaySixth |
and? |
I mean, taunting other Ipswich supporters seems like a pretty sad way to enjoy a win, but each to their own. | |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 23:05 - Oct 21 with 1212 views | Swansea_Blue |
What's wrong with people changing their minds?
I haven't settled on a view of Cook yet, as i've been waiting patiently like a good little Suffolk-un for something to come right. But I'd have no problem with vocal critics changing their mind as things start to improve. |  |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 23:21 - Oct 21 with 1204 views | Whos_blue |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 07:40 - Oct 20 by portmanking |
This. With bells on.
I'd argue the last 20 years have actually meant our fanbase are less patient than ever before. Every defeat is microanalysed to the inch of its life. Why certain fans simply cannot get on board with the project and accept it was never going to be an overnight process beggars belief.
Why can't we just enjoy growing as a team and club again? We'd all like to be winning week in, week out, but there are so many variables involved with rebuilding a squad and club. As various players have intimated in press interviews of late, many have had their own personal issues/battles off the field to contend with too. It's not always so black and white. Just stick with them. Don't be part of the Sky Sports generation. |
Well said that man.
My position exactly.
Back in the mid 90s we had to be patient as Burley built. We had set back after setback, but we all got on board and that patience paid off. I'm sure there would've been murmurings of discontent, but not to the polarised levels I see today. That may be down to this place being a little quieter back then and limited discussion on social media.
I accept the last 20 years have been painful. I've sat through it too, but I've also sat through a 2-0 home defeat to Grimsby in the freezing rain in our building years in the late 90s.
I'd say we had 2 maybe 3 good seasons under Joe and possibly a similar period with Mick.
The rest has been pretty terrible.
Yes I want success, but I look around and see some of the clubs in this division and even the 4th division (old school!) and think we have no divine right to success just because we're Ipswich.
Of the last 40 years, we've only spent 10 of those in the top division. 10.
Whilst I take no joy in being a 3rd division team, maybe the reality is that we'll never eat at the top table again.
I hope we can get promoted this season, but there's every chance that may not happen, but what do we do? Do we sack a manager every close season? We criticise clubs that do that. I don't want us to become that club.
It might be blind faith, but I've just got a feeling about this team and whilst the inconsistency is sometime infuriating, I still remain excited about the next game. |  |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 05:23 - Oct 22 with 1145 views | powinswitch |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 09:10 - Oct 20 by Herbivore |
Why are you telling me to give it time? I've not called for Cook to be sacked. But we need to put a genuine run together quickly. Teams that start as poorly as us rarely go on to win promotion. You will point to Blackpool I'm sure but the vast majority of sides that go up are top half or top 8 at least at this stage of the season 9 times out of 10. That doesn't mean we can't still get promoted, although automatic looks out of reach already, but it needs a run of promotion form for us to get there and that needs to start ASAP. We can't afford much more of the season to pass with us not able to win games back to back. And I disagree that Cambridge wasn't bad, we threw away a two goal lead and lost control of the game in the final quarter. That is bad and the sort of performance we can't afford too often. Same goes for the Accrington game. The Shrewsbury game wasn't loads better either performance wise. We've got to string performances and results together if we don't want to write off yet another season in League 1. Last night was encouraging but we've got to back it up. And Cook has been here 8 months now, it's not like people are getting on his back after 3 games. |
Last 3 full seasons have seen 17/18, Blackburn in 10th and Scunthorpe in 12th at this point who finished 2nd and 5th. 18/19 Luton in 10th and Charlton in 11th who finished champions and 3rd. Last season Blackpool in 15th and Oxford in 18th who finished 3rd and 6th. Luton had 19 points, that’s two more than us, and finished with 94. Top 8 at least, nine times out of ten. Ha. |  | | |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 06:28 - Oct 22 with 1120 views | Keaneish |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 23:05 - Oct 21 by Swansea_Blue |
What's wrong with people changing their minds?
I haven't settled on a view of Cook yet, as i've been waiting patiently like a good little Suffolk-un for something to come right. But I'd have no problem with vocal critics changing their mind as things start to improve. |
It’s a bit flakey though isn’t it? It basically says Cook will get my support if he does well, which is in the same vein as glory hunting. I think the other factor is that it would mean only judging him on results alone when he should also be judged on everything else he’s done for the club too.
I don’t mind people changing their minds but some of the posts people write on here are pretty irreversible. |  |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 07:22 - Oct 22 with 1082 views | Churchman |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 23:21 - Oct 21 by Whos_blue |
Well said that man.
My position exactly.
Back in the mid 90s we had to be patient as Burley built. We had set back after setback, but we all got on board and that patience paid off. I'm sure there would've been murmurings of discontent, but not to the polarised levels I see today. That may be down to this place being a little quieter back then and limited discussion on social media.
I accept the last 20 years have been painful. I've sat through it too, but I've also sat through a 2-0 home defeat to Grimsby in the freezing rain in our building years in the late 90s.
I'd say we had 2 maybe 3 good seasons under Joe and possibly a similar period with Mick.
The rest has been pretty terrible.
Yes I want success, but I look around and see some of the clubs in this division and even the 4th division (old school!) and think we have no divine right to success just because we're Ipswich.
Of the last 40 years, we've only spent 10 of those in the top division. 10.
Whilst I take no joy in being a 3rd division team, maybe the reality is that we'll never eat at the top table again.
I hope we can get promoted this season, but there's every chance that may not happen, but what do we do? Do we sack a manager every close season? We criticise clubs that do that. I don't want us to become that club.
It might be blind faith, but I've just got a feeling about this team and whilst the inconsistency is sometime infuriating, I still remain excited about the next game. |
I had to laugh at your reference to losing to Grimsby at home. I can go back further to watching us getting humped by Stockport at home in the Duncan years in the rain with about 9000 depressed others. Plymouth too.
The point about Burley’s team is interesting. You could argue that he took longer than he should have to get us promoted. At the time there was a feeling that we were a bit ‘soft’ - an accusation that could be levelled at Cook’s team now. However I look back at Burley’s team with a lot of fondness. They weren’t the best, but by and large, they were great to watch and you could see (to use a horrible phrase) the direction of travel.
This is where I’m struggling a bit with Cook. I know he has a good track record, but let’s face it, he’s been all over the shop with us. Unfortunately in the 20 years since Burley, the game has changed and managers are expected to deliver quickly. I’ve seen the odd post on here having a go at Watford’s approach. They are in the PL, we are not. Norwich fired Bryan Gunn after one game. It was the right thing to do. It’s a results business. Hire and fire isn’t the only way. Patience still has its place, in my view.
I’d prefer with all the change going on at the club, hopefully the building up of it, that we can have some stability with the first team and that includes the manager. But that only works if the team is improving. If it is not, then Cook will have to go. Like you, I’ve got a feeling we will be ok and PC will get it right. Naively, I’d hoped for spectacular progress, but gradual is ok as long as it’s for real, especially after so long as a club drifting to oblivion. [Post edited 22 Oct 2021 7:31]
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 07:40 - Oct 22 with 1069 views | DanTheMan |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 06:28 - Oct 22 by Keaneish |
It’s a bit flakey though isn’t it? It basically says Cook will get my support if he does well, which is in the same vein as glory hunting. I think the other factor is that it would mean only judging him on results alone when he should also be judged on everything else he’s done for the club too.
I don’t mind people changing their minds but some of the posts people write on here are pretty irreversible. |
"It basically says Cook will get my support if he does well, which is in the same vein as glory hunting"
It's nothing like glory hunting? Saying you're unsure whether Cook is the right man for the job when he was doing very poorly and then changing your mind when he starts to do well consistently seems perfectly reasonable.
"I think the other factor is that it would mean only judging him on results alone when he should also be judged on everything else he’s done for the club too."
What other things has he done for the club? The only other things I can think of is transfers really, but everything else that's been going on has way more to do with the takeover than Cook. |  |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 07:55 - Oct 22 with 1048 views | Herbivore |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 05:23 - Oct 22 by powinswitch |
Last 3 full seasons have seen 17/18, Blackburn in 10th and Scunthorpe in 12th at this point who finished 2nd and 5th. 18/19 Luton in 10th and Charlton in 11th who finished champions and 3rd. Last season Blackpool in 15th and Oxford in 18th who finished 3rd and 6th. Luton had 19 points, that’s two more than us, and finished with 94. Top 8 at least, nine times out of ten. Ha. |
"Top half or top 8" - of the sides you listed only Blackpool were bottom half and ended up being promoted. The others were all top half and not as far adrift of the top 2 as we are currently, a couple of them didn't even go up so not sure why you included them other than to back me up. Thanks for reinforcing my point though, appreciate it. [Post edited 22 Oct 2021 8:09]
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:05 - Oct 22 with 1046 views | Herbivore |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 07:40 - Oct 22 by DanTheMan |
"It basically says Cook will get my support if he does well, which is in the same vein as glory hunting"
It's nothing like glory hunting? Saying you're unsure whether Cook is the right man for the job when he was doing very poorly and then changing your mind when he starts to do well consistently seems perfectly reasonable.
"I think the other factor is that it would mean only judging him on results alone when he should also be judged on everything else he’s done for the club too."
What other things has he done for the club? The only other things I can think of is transfers really, but everything else that's been going on has way more to do with the takeover than Cook. |
Precisely this. It's bizarre logic to suggest we should blindly support a manager who is failing on the pitch otherwise we are glory hunters. When you come into one of the bigger clubs in the division and they are sat just outside the top 6 and you tell everyone the aim is automatic promotion, to then only manage a handful of wins in the next 25-30 games even after a squad overhaul, that's not the kind of performance that earns you unwavering support. And rightly so. It's perfectly legitimate to question Cook given his results here and given some of the recurring issues with performances, even as recently as last weekend. | |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:20 - Oct 22 with 1014 views | Bluefish |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:05 - Oct 22 by Herbivore |
Precisely this. It's bizarre logic to suggest we should blindly support a manager who is failing on the pitch otherwise we are glory hunters. When you come into one of the bigger clubs in the division and they are sat just outside the top 6 and you tell everyone the aim is automatic promotion, to then only manage a handful of wins in the next 25-30 games even after a squad overhaul, that's not the kind of performance that earns you unwavering support. And rightly so. It's perfectly legitimate to question Cook given his results here and given some of the recurring issues with performances, even as recently as last weekend. |
Such an odd poster he sets the lowest bar on here so much so that you wonder if it is an act. We should also heroworship all players regardless of performance, Leon best should be held in the same light as Marcus Stewart or it is just glory hunting.
Keaneish is known on here for his staunch backing of keane and Lambert, what a record |  |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:24 - Oct 22 with 1025 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:05 - Oct 22 by Herbivore |
Precisely this. It's bizarre logic to suggest we should blindly support a manager who is failing on the pitch otherwise we are glory hunters. When you come into one of the bigger clubs in the division and they are sat just outside the top 6 and you tell everyone the aim is automatic promotion, to then only manage a handful of wins in the next 25-30 games even after a squad overhaul, that's not the kind of performance that earns you unwavering support. And rightly so. It's perfectly legitimate to question Cook given his results here and given some of the recurring issues with performances, even as recently as last weekend. |
we all want Cook to do well. Because if he does well then Ipswich do well. An nobody can fail to be a little more optimistic with our recent results but I think it’s still fair to have concerns.
When Plan A is going well then it’s all good. We saw that against Doncaster and Portsmouth.
But I’m still not convinced this coaching team have the tactical ability to see out a win when we are under relentless pressure or get back into a game when we are behind.
A reappearing pattern in our play seems to be how we fall apart if we concede a goal. The confidence drains and we go into a shell.
With our squad, the quality in every starting 11 we put out and Bonne’s amazing goal record we are always going to win a decent number of games. But unless we become better tactically then we aren’t going to put together the sort of four or five game winning run that we will need to get in promotion contention. [Post edited 22 Oct 2021 9:27]
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:26 - Oct 22 with 1021 views | Herbivore |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:20 - Oct 22 by Bluefish |
Such an odd poster he sets the lowest bar on here so much so that you wonder if it is an act. We should also heroworship all players regardless of performance, Leon best should be held in the same light as Marcus Stewart or it is just glory hunting.
Keaneish is known on here for his staunch backing of keane and Lambert, what a record |
Leon Best was signed by Mick so must be vilified, there are rules here. Mick and anything associated with Mick = bad and unworthy of support. Anything that's happened since = good, because it is not the one they call Mick. | |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:26 - Oct 22 with 1026 views | Keaneish |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 07:40 - Oct 22 by DanTheMan |
"It basically says Cook will get my support if he does well, which is in the same vein as glory hunting"
It's nothing like glory hunting? Saying you're unsure whether Cook is the right man for the job when he was doing very poorly and then changing your mind when he starts to do well consistently seems perfectly reasonable.
"I think the other factor is that it would mean only judging him on results alone when he should also be judged on everything else he’s done for the club too."
What other things has he done for the club? The only other things I can think of is transfers really, but everything else that's been going on has way more to do with the takeover than Cook. |
Being unsure of whether Cook is right for the job until we start winning is exactly glory hunting, after all, what else is winning? Supporting a manager and being patient with him when we’re not, listening to what he says and acknowledging the incremental differences and small areas of progression is the opposite.
What else has Cook done for the club?
- Built a squad that’s competitive and balanced in all areas of the pitch.
- Created a clear cohesive style of play
- Adapted in games always trying to win football matches
- Brought a positive, mental approach back to winning games and what it means to play for the club
- Eradicated and cleared out a complacent squad
- Provided consistently honest assessments and insights ie: been transparent with fans
- Rejuveinated belief in the dressing room and made training fun by all accounts
- Most importantly, he’s made Portman Road fun to go to again
Personally, I find it staggering there are some still not on board and some who still fail to acknowledge we’re on the up. | |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:33 - Oct 22 with 1012 views | Herbivore |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:26 - Oct 22 by Keaneish |
Being unsure of whether Cook is right for the job until we start winning is exactly glory hunting, after all, what else is winning? Supporting a manager and being patient with him when we’re not, listening to what he says and acknowledging the incremental differences and small areas of progression is the opposite.
What else has Cook done for the club?
- Built a squad that’s competitive and balanced in all areas of the pitch.
- Created a clear cohesive style of play
- Adapted in games always trying to win football matches
- Brought a positive, mental approach back to winning games and what it means to play for the club
- Eradicated and cleared out a complacent squad
- Provided consistently honest assessments and insights ie: been transparent with fans
- Rejuveinated belief in the dressing room and made training fun by all accounts
- Most importantly, he’s made Portman Road fun to go to again
Personally, I find it staggering there are some still not on board and some who still fail to acknowledge we’re on the up. |
I genuinely can't work out whether you're trolling here. | |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:35 - Oct 22 with 1021 views | DanTheMan |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:26 - Oct 22 by Keaneish |
Being unsure of whether Cook is right for the job until we start winning is exactly glory hunting, after all, what else is winning? Supporting a manager and being patient with him when we’re not, listening to what he says and acknowledging the incremental differences and small areas of progression is the opposite.
What else has Cook done for the club?
- Built a squad that’s competitive and balanced in all areas of the pitch.
- Created a clear cohesive style of play
- Adapted in games always trying to win football matches
- Brought a positive, mental approach back to winning games and what it means to play for the club
- Eradicated and cleared out a complacent squad
- Provided consistently honest assessments and insights ie: been transparent with fans
- Rejuveinated belief in the dressing room and made training fun by all accounts
- Most importantly, he’s made Portman Road fun to go to again
Personally, I find it staggering there are some still not on board and some who still fail to acknowledge we’re on the up. |
I don't support Paul Cook, I support Ipswich Town, not sure about you. I can't glory hunt a manager, but I can have an opinion on whether they are doing a good job or not.
I also don't remember this level of blind praise being given to the members of the squad or Lambert last year, or Hurst. Should we have been supportive of Lambert and the squad last year, and been patient with them? After all, they didn't have the resources that we do now.
All those bullet points can just be summed up into "doing his job". | |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:43 - Oct 22 with 993 views | Herbivore |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:35 - Oct 22 by DanTheMan |
I don't support Paul Cook, I support Ipswich Town, not sure about you. I can't glory hunt a manager, but I can have an opinion on whether they are doing a good job or not.
I also don't remember this level of blind praise being given to the members of the squad or Lambert last year, or Hurst. Should we have been supportive of Lambert and the squad last year, and been patient with them? After all, they didn't have the resources that we do now.
All those bullet points can just be summed up into "doing his job". |
Again, I agree. It's because we support Ipswich and want to see them do well that we might question a manager who is patently underperforming. That has nothing to do with glory hunting. The notion that certain managers should be blindly backed regardless of results and performances is utterly bizarre. | |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:45 - Oct 22 with 988 views | Dubtractor |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:35 - Oct 22 by DanTheMan |
I don't support Paul Cook, I support Ipswich Town, not sure about you. I can't glory hunt a manager, but I can have an opinion on whether they are doing a good job or not.
I also don't remember this level of blind praise being given to the members of the squad or Lambert last year, or Hurst. Should we have been supportive of Lambert and the squad last year, and been patient with them? After all, they didn't have the resources that we do now.
All those bullet points can just be summed up into "doing his job". |
Personally, I just love the idea that the term glory hunting can be used in relation to any Ipswich fan right now. Even if we have a good season, it will still be in the 3rd division FFS.
Glory hunting indeed.
FWIW I think the whole Cook Out vs Cook is the messiah (both ends of the spectrum are tedious) nonsense needs to take a rest for a bit. We're on a decent run of form and we all need to see where it takes us. But that means constructive criticism shouldn't be shouted down if we have a bad game, as well as those being positive being allowed to be. |  |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:49 - Oct 22 with 970 views | DanTheMan |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:45 - Oct 22 by Dubtractor |
Personally, I just love the idea that the term glory hunting can be used in relation to any Ipswich fan right now. Even if we have a good season, it will still be in the 3rd division FFS.
Glory hunting indeed.
FWIW I think the whole Cook Out vs Cook is the messiah (both ends of the spectrum are tedious) nonsense needs to take a rest for a bit. We're on a decent run of form and we all need to see where it takes us. But that means constructive criticism shouldn't be shouted down if we have a bad game, as well as those being positive being allowed to be. |
Agreed, this tedious goading should stop. Talk about it sure, but some of the threads are getting a bit ridiculous. | |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:56 - Oct 22 with 950 views | Darth_Koont |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:45 - Oct 22 by Dubtractor |
Personally, I just love the idea that the term glory hunting can be used in relation to any Ipswich fan right now. Even if we have a good season, it will still be in the 3rd division FFS.
Glory hunting indeed.
FWIW I think the whole Cook Out vs Cook is the messiah (both ends of the spectrum are tedious) nonsense needs to take a rest for a bit. We're on a decent run of form and we all need to see where it takes us. But that means constructive criticism shouldn't be shouted down if we have a bad game, as well as those being positive being allowed to be. |
Yep. Let’s see where we go. There’s no need for blind praise, just as there’s no need for the blind criticism.
On a positive note, the Pompey game and result seems to have almost unanimously been enjoyed without launching arguments. It’s certainly been a while since that’s happened. But a refreshing change! |  |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 09:13 - Oct 22 with 922 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 08:24 - Oct 22 by GlasgowBlue |
we all want Cook to do well. Because if he does well then Ipswich do well. An nobody can fail to be a little more optimistic with our recent results but I think it’s still fair to have concerns.
When Plan A is going well then it’s all good. We saw that against Doncaster and Portsmouth.
But I’m still not convinced this coaching team have the tactical ability to see out a win when we are under relentless pressure or get back into a game when we are behind.
A reappearing pattern in our play seems to be how we fall apart if we concede a goal. The confidence drains and we go into a shell.
With our squad, the quality in every starting 11 we put out and Bonne’s amazing goal record we are always going to win a decent number of games. But unless we become better tactically then we aren’t going to put together the sort of four or five game winning run that we will need to get in promotion contention. [Post edited 22 Oct 2021 9:27]
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"Dies well"???
That's a bit harsh GB! :-) |  |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 09:28 - Oct 22 with 883 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 09:13 - Oct 22 by Ewan_Oozami |
"Dies well"???
That's a bit harsh GB! :-) |
Ha. Edited. | |
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| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 10:53 - Oct 22 with 828 views | MaySixth |
| Everyone who has gone Cook Out has boxed themselves into a corner on 22:16 - Oct 21 by jayessess |
I mean, taunting other Ipswich supporters seems like a pretty sad way to enjoy a win, but each to their own. |
not taunting anyone, just stating a fact which some people can't take | |
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