| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer 14:27 - Oct 27 with 7882 views | Illinoisblue |
Who would you take? Bishop for me. |  |
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 21:11 - Oct 27 with 1432 views | HighgateBlue |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 17:38 - Oct 27 by positivity |
been fit for more than half the season? |
Well I would take the smarty pants response on the chin, but for the fact that Wilson has played 12 league games for Plymouth this season.
The question was who would you take back - if you're saying you wouldn't take Wilson back because of fitness, you would do well to acknowledge that he has started more league games this season than Edmundson, Burgess, Nsiala, Woolfenden, Vincent-Young, Donacien, Penney, Coulson.
He's started more league games than any of our defenders. And he's top of the league. I hope he's not come Saturday night, of course, but I would have kept him, and we would have conceded fewer goals in August, September and October. |  | | |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 21:51 - Oct 27 with 1385 views | tommy1 |
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The club needed them gone. |  | | |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 22:08 - Oct 27 with 1361 views | Vic |
I was sad to see many oth them go as I’d hoped they would be the ones to change our fortunes. But in reality they didn’t do it and didn’t really look like doing it. I certainly didn’t like the way they were packed off. I’m pleased that Downes is doing well.
But given the squad that was subsequently assembled I’m not really missing any of them. In my opinion, like for like this squad knocks spots off the one it replaced. |  |
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 22:12 - Oct 27 with 1346 views | chrismakin |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 21:11 - Oct 27 by HighgateBlue |
Well I would take the smarty pants response on the chin, but for the fact that Wilson has played 12 league games for Plymouth this season.
The question was who would you take back - if you're saying you wouldn't take Wilson back because of fitness, you would do well to acknowledge that he has started more league games this season than Edmundson, Burgess, Nsiala, Woolfenden, Vincent-Young, Donacien, Penney, Coulson.
He's started more league games than any of our defenders. And he's top of the league. I hope he's not come Saturday night, of course, but I would have kept him, and we would have conceded fewer goals in August, September and October. |
12 for Plymouth so far
18 total for us last season and 22 the season before.
The poster was right in bringing up fitness. How long will ward last.. that will be interesting. |  |
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 22:20 - Oct 27 with 1342 views | farkenhell |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 19:39 - Oct 27 by footers |
Indeed.
If one goes to eat at Nando's, one is a basic bitch.
If one eats Tesco rotisserie chicken at home in one's underwear, one is an accomplished bitch.
It really is that simple of a distinction. |
Eating chicken in your underwear? Couldn't you find a plate? | | | |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 22:34 - Oct 27 with 1329 views | Vic |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 19:17 - Oct 27 by itfcjoe |
I think things are exaggerated - if Cook has decided our best 2 CBs are Edmundson and Toto, then id rather see Woolf and a 36 year old Chambers on a small deal as 3 and 4 than having spent £750k on Burgess and giving him a 3 (or 4, can’t remember) year deal as he doesn’t look like one who will be able to come through the division with us.
If we were talking Bradley, Edmundson, Toto and Woolf it’s a different matter but feels as though Burgess ends up being a bit of a waste, like Hladky is looking like being too |
It was inevitable that not all the signings would work wasn’t it. Fwiw, I think Burgess could well be a useful player in the future. LC, for all his passion would surely have been a bit part player had he stayed. Over all the strength of this squad is far, far better than last years. | |
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 23:09 - Oct 27 with 1303 views | OriginalMarkyP |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 15:37 - Oct 27 by chrismakin |
Drinan |
We tried to keep Drinan but then Leyton Orient came in with the big bucks and now he's the 4 tier Lewandowski. |  |
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 23:19 - Oct 27 with 1286 views | TrumptonBlue |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 22:12 - Oct 27 by chrismakin |
12 for Plymouth so far
18 total for us last season and 22 the season before.
The poster was right in bringing up fitness. How long will ward last.. that will be interesting. |
Wilson was in the matchday 18 for all but one league game in the 19/20 season. The only one he missed was due to suspension. |  | | |
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 23:31 - Oct 27 with 1259 views | chrismakin |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 23:19 - Oct 27 by TrumptonBlue |
Wilson was in the matchday 18 for all but one league game in the 19/20 season. The only one he missed was due to suspension. |
Good spot r.e 2019/2020.. but are we now saying we would prefer someone at cb who was injured for most of 2020/2021 but on bench for half a season the season before? | |
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 06:43 - Oct 28 with 1204 views | textbackup |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 22:34 - Oct 27 by Vic |
It was inevitable that not all the signings would work wasn’t it. Fwiw, I think Burgess could well be a useful player in the future. LC, for all his passion would surely have been a bit part player had he stayed. Over all the strength of this squad is far, far better than last years. |
with the change in direction, new captain, new voices, why would any want chambers to have remained?
without being too disrespectful he was the consistent voice of failure, sure there were other factors adding to that, but i genuinely see no way he could have stayed here. i dont think PC particularly rated him as a player anyway.
and for all the "id rather have him over burgess" he's been here 5mins. chambers had his time here, let someone else have a go, you never know, it could work out alot more successful, i mean, it couldnt get much worse could it. |  |
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 07:06 - Oct 28 with 1196 views | franz_tyson |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 06:43 - Oct 28 by textbackup |
with the change in direction, new captain, new voices, why would any want chambers to have remained?
without being too disrespectful he was the consistent voice of failure, sure there were other factors adding to that, but i genuinely see no way he could have stayed here. i dont think PC particularly rated him as a player anyway.
and for all the "id rather have him over burgess" he's been here 5mins. chambers had his time here, let someone else have a go, you never know, it could work out alot more successful, i mean, it couldnt get much worse could it. |
Agreed - as a player Chambers is obviously running down his career. As a captain, it’s best he stepped aside and we try another direction. Whatever anyone’s thoughts about Chambers role as captain, he’s carrying a lot of baggage. Him being in the building is more likely to hinder any new leadership growing. Not easy being the skipper for eight years and then stepping aside to be a bit-part player.
I’d prefer a gnarled experienced CB/skipper coming in, but we didn’t get that. Just because we’ve had teething troubles with our cb’s, doesn’t mean a Chambers/Woolf cb partnership would have been any better. I doubt they’ve hardly played together as a CB partnership before anyway- certainly not in a Cook team.
I know the narrative’s been written that we had a more than capable squad and just needed a competent manager but that’s a bit too convenient. They had their chances and time to move on. | | | |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 07:23 - Oct 28 with 1174 views | itfcjoe |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 06:43 - Oct 28 by textbackup |
with the change in direction, new captain, new voices, why would any want chambers to have remained?
without being too disrespectful he was the consistent voice of failure, sure there were other factors adding to that, but i genuinely see no way he could have stayed here. i dont think PC particularly rated him as a player anyway.
and for all the "id rather have him over burgess" he's been here 5mins. chambers had his time here, let someone else have a go, you never know, it could work out alot more successful, i mean, it couldnt get much worse could it. |
Things just get latched on when Chambers involved - I’d already said we should’ve kept Wilson rather than him but that really gets ignored. |  |
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 07:50 - Oct 28 with 1137 views | gordon |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 19:17 - Oct 27 by itfcjoe |
I think things are exaggerated - if Cook has decided our best 2 CBs are Edmundson and Toto, then id rather see Woolf and a 36 year old Chambers on a small deal as 3 and 4 than having spent £750k on Burgess and giving him a 3 (or 4, can’t remember) year deal as he doesn’t look like one who will be able to come through the division with us.
If we were talking Bradley, Edmundson, Toto and Woolf it’s a different matter but feels as though Burgess ends up being a bit of a waste, like Hladky is looking like being too |
Agree with the general point here - if things were to go pear shaped, i.e. two seasons where we fail to get promotion (which is very much possible), then signings like Burgess, Harper, Edwards (assuming they are on very decent salaries, and don't contribute a great deal) , aren't going to look too brilliant in the aftermath, compared to the option of e.g. keeping on players like Wilson and Bishop as backup - not saying they are better or worse players, just from a financial standpoint we've presumably got some very well-paid players on long contracts who might end up not contributing a great deal, and that obviously carries a lot of risk. |  | | |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 08:04 - Oct 28 with 1116 views | textbackup |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 07:23 - Oct 28 by itfcjoe |
Things just get latched on when Chambers involved - I’d already said we should’ve kept Wilson rather than him but that really gets ignored. |
i'd seen LC mentioned more than once on this thread, so reply was in general about that, not to one specific person | |
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 08:06 - Oct 28 with 1114 views | franz_tyson |
What is the story with Wilson leaving? Did he want to stay?
I think he left Lincoln even though he was offered a contract because he was out of the picture. He might have turned down a new contract anyway so as to get first team action. Got a contract with Plymouth straight away so maybe knew he was leaving and was OK with it. Can see why we released him as he had injury problems and he’s 32…. even though he’s a handy player. | | | |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 08:36 - Oct 28 with 1079 views | StokieBlue |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 15:37 - Oct 27 by chrismakin |
Drinan |
I am assuming that you're not serious but it gives me a chance to explore my "Quantum Makin" theory.
All opinions exist within you in a state of superposition and then when you are asked a question the state is observed and the random opinion posted.
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 08:48 - Oct 28 with 1060 views | positivity |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 21:11 - Oct 27 by HighgateBlue |
Well I would take the smarty pants response on the chin, but for the fact that Wilson has played 12 league games for Plymouth this season.
The question was who would you take back - if you're saying you wouldn't take Wilson back because of fitness, you would do well to acknowledge that he has started more league games this season than Edmundson, Burgess, Nsiala, Woolfenden, Vincent-Young, Donacien, Penney, Coulson.
He's started more league games than any of our defenders. And he's top of the league. I hope he's not come Saturday night, of course, but I would have kept him, and we would have conceded fewer goals in August, September and October. |
take your point about taking back rather than keeping, though i read your post as saying "what more could he have done to stay"
a player's fitness record can change, but it's generally a good indicator going forward. it might have made sense having him as a continuity player on a short term deal until the new players were in the building, but would he agree to that?
I wouldn't have him above any of our top 4 (burgess & woolf primarily due to age & potential ceiling) [Post edited 28 Oct 2021 9:33]
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 09:25 - Oct 28 with 1027 views | itfcjoe |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 08:06 - Oct 28 by franz_tyson |
What is the story with Wilson leaving? Did he want to stay?
I think he left Lincoln even though he was offered a contract because he was out of the picture. He might have turned down a new contract anyway so as to get first team action. Got a contract with Plymouth straight away so maybe knew he was leaving and was OK with it. Can see why we released him as he had injury problems and he’s 32…. even though he’s a handy player. |
He still lives here so presumably would have liked to have stayed but you never know | |
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 10:30 - Oct 28 with 985 views | BlueForYou |
I'm glad that Cook was able to have a huge clearout. Starting again is better than going nowhere. |  | | |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 10:59 - Oct 28 with 962 views | Mullet |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 10:30 - Oct 28 by BlueForYou |
I'm glad that Cook was able to have a huge clearout. Starting again is better than going nowhere. |
True. But we don’t want to do both. |  |
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 13:11 - Oct 28 with 910 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
Downes due to his ability but only the committed Downes. Not a wantaway one.
Wilson maybe too as his partnership with Nsiala was the reason that we hadn't been conceding many goals.
Lankester perhaps (when fit) just because he'd show some promising moments in the relegation season.Â
As for the rest I don't miss any of them in the slightest. They are the reason of where we are in the footballing hierarchy. They took us down without a fight and that was followed by the two bleak seasons in League One. No passion for the shirt. The worst ever group of players in the history of the club who would conduct a cushy life whilst with us. Utter frauds. A cushy life, no pressure, easy payday while repeating the same soundbites and cliches in the interviews.
They'd ask Evans to sack Hurst. They got their wish eventually and still couldn't perform following his departure. They failed to turn up for Hurst, Lambert and Cook. Three managers so it is very telling about these 'good professionals'.Â
To think they were clapped and cheered for the relegation and its manner. To think that some people say that Cook should have been more respectful to them when telling them to go FFS ! The worst ever mob. |  | | |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 13:23 - Oct 28 with 883 views | Herbivore |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 13:11 - Oct 28 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Downes due to his ability but only the committed Downes. Not a wantaway one.
Wilson maybe too as his partnership with Nsiala was the reason that we hadn't been conceding many goals.
Lankester perhaps (when fit) just because he'd show some promising moments in the relegation season.Â
As for the rest I don't miss any of them in the slightest. They are the reason of where we are in the footballing hierarchy. They took us down without a fight and that was followed by the two bleak seasons in League One. No passion for the shirt. The worst ever group of players in the history of the club who would conduct a cushy life whilst with us. Utter frauds. A cushy life, no pressure, easy payday while repeating the same soundbites and cliches in the interviews.
They'd ask Evans to sack Hurst. They got their wish eventually and still couldn't perform following his departure. They failed to turn up for Hurst, Lambert and Cook. Three managers so it is very telling about these 'good professionals'.Â
To think they were clapped and cheered for the relegation and its manner. To think that some people say that Cook should have been more respectful to them when telling them to go FFS ! The worst ever mob. |
Glad to see you're moving on. |  |
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 13:24 - Oct 28 with 877 views | chrismakin |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 08:36 - Oct 28 by StokieBlue |
I am assuming that you're not serious but it gives me a chance to explore my "Quantum Makin" theory.
All opinions exist within you in a state of superposition and then when you are asked a question the state is observed and the random opinion posted.
SB |
So you think 'Drinan' is a serious answer to the question of the thread.
strange old man | |
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 13:35 - Oct 28 with 866 views | StokieBlue |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 13:24 - Oct 28 by chrismakin |
So you think 'Drinan' is a serious answer to the question of the thread.
strange old man |
Not really, hence my first few words. It did however present me the opportunity to postulate my theory which I most enjoyed.
Old? That seems harsh.
Time is not constant, it depends how fast you are travelling in relation to the observer. Perhaps I'm just travelling much slower than you.
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| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 13:41 - Oct 28 with 847 views | footers |
| If you had to take back one player from those bombed out in the summer on 13:24 - Oct 28 by chrismakin |
So you think 'Drinan' is a serious answer to the question of the thread.
strange old man |
You think Edwards isn't very good so it's difficult to tell with you what's real and what's a pisstake. |  |
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