| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… 22:39 - Apr 16 with 5737 views | unstableblue |
McKenna has been here 20 games, if his PPG so far was extrapolated across the season, we get to 83 points, and a low goal difference
Wycombe win 2 and draw one of their remaining games, which I expect, they get to 83, add in their better scoring record… and we miss out on a play-off place!
Let’s wake up to how hard this league is.
We need to be much more clinical, more energetic and more physical.., combined with the much improved shape, system and passing. And we need to bully the ‘weaker’ teams in the league.
In McKenna we trust, but we are not going to walk the league next season. |  |
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| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 11:55 - Apr 17 with 1246 views | 2-5-7 |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 22:41 - Apr 16 by pointofblue |
The big question is is this year an outlier? Most years, 75-78 would be enough for the play offs, let alone 83. |
Thats irrelevant though.
Doesn't matter if it's a high points tally year or a low points tally year - we need to be in that mix regardless.
Achieving that in whatever form the season plays out means we have been more competitive against the better teams.
Still falling short right now. |  | | |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 11:58 - Apr 17 with 1234 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 00:13 - Apr 17 by quirkie |
Actually most seasons 74 pts will get you 6th. Crazy how many points it is this season to get 6th. I can see Plymouth missing out with 80 pts.
I guess it is because there are two divisions in this league this year. |
The league is increasingly polarised between the clubs with big budgets and those with tiny budgets. The odd exception breaks through or falls through.
As a result, the bottom third lose most of their games v the top third. So, the points needed to get top 6 is higher than you'd expect in a more even league. I
We have seen this as we failed to get above 9th despite managing 2pts per game for such a long time, as others above us did that too... |  | | |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 12:11 - Apr 17 with 1222 views | NthQldITFC |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 11:35 - Apr 17 by ArnieM |
I think yesterdays game probably confirmed to the manager what he had suspected . This squad is not quite right for this division . We lack goals , physicality, and a streetwise approach . Nice though it is to watch , pretty , possession football will not get us out of this league . McKenna’s approach would be awesome in the championship and higher but not division Three! |
With a small number of additions, a pre-season and some psychological rebalancing of the attack it will be. |  |
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| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 12:39 - Apr 17 with 1197 views | timothyeo |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 11:51 - Apr 17 by PhilTWTD |
I was going to make a similar point, seems to have developed into more of a division of two halves than previously over the last year or so - perhaps Covid and reduced budgets have impacted the smaller clubs more - and that seems likely to continue next year.
Re the Championship, the success of clubs with lower budgets this season, Luton, QPR (until recently), Blackburn, Huddersfield etc, suggests that it's not quite as strong as it has been in previous years. Think we might have been in with a shout of being in the top half had we gone up this year. Think a lot of clubs are still adjusting after Covid and loss of income.
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Yeah, I take your point re the Championship but I wonder if that is primarily down to the Covid losses and a season of being incredibly prudent, not knowing if further lockdowns could have happened etc. My initial expectation is the Championship to have a similar disparity to our league now, but perhaps not. | | | |
| Arghhhhhh….. on 13:14 - Apr 17 with 1171 views | TheBoyBlue |
| Arghhhhhh….. on 23:50 - Apr 16 by unstableblue |
… I just don’t agree!
In case you hadn’t noticed this will be our FOURTH season in League One! This concept that we have a divine right to leave this league is becoming ridiculous. Sunderland are a bigger club, they’ve been mired in league one.
Our team has had quality attacking football sucked out of them for what 10 seasons?
It doesn’t just come back because we spend money on players. It takes time to change.
I think in McKenna we have the right man. But he is learning his craft.
We’ll get there, but the league is tough, a lottery, and we’ll to excel, and have some luck… and SIGNIFICANTLY improve |
I don't believe considering lack of promotion a failure equates to to feeling we have a divine right to promotion. We have the resources, players, the support, facilities and backing that the vast majority of the division would dearly love and should give us a head start. That we haven't taken advantage of that this season is a failure of management (I'll leave it to others to decree whose exactly) and if we fail to get promotion next season it would be a failure. Arguably an even bigger one as we should have a more settled side and the football management structure that the owners have chosen and set up. [Post edited 17 Apr 2022 13:17]
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| Arghhhhhh….. on 15:12 - Apr 17 with 1138 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Arghhhhhh….. on 23:50 - Apr 16 by unstableblue |
… I just don’t agree!
In case you hadn’t noticed this will be our FOURTH season in League One! This concept that we have a divine right to leave this league is becoming ridiculous. Sunderland are a bigger club, they’ve been mired in league one.
Our team has had quality attacking football sucked out of them for what 10 seasons?
It doesn’t just come back because we spend money on players. It takes time to change.
I think in McKenna we have the right man. But he is learning his craft.
We’ll get there, but the league is tough, a lottery, and we’ll to excel, and have some luck… and SIGNIFICANTLY improve |
No, no, no !!! No way !
First and foremost we are sick of this league and want to get out of this. Therefore Ipswich Town isn't a place for any manager to learn his trade/craft. If he wants to learn go somewhere else where there is no pressure.
MattinLondon is completely right. Anything less than promotion next season means a failure. There will be no more excuses and McKenna has to be sacked. Some people for some reason would have given him a free pass this season.
Despite some positive aspects HE HAS FAILED in his first attempt. He didn't get us into the top 6 and frankly we weren't even close to it. We are closer to the midtable than top six as we OCCASSIONALLY score goals and create chances.
Cook's immediate task was to get us promoted. Things weren't going well for him and he got rightly sacked. Why McKenna's task should be different next season? No promotion means he has to go. |  | | |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 15:39 - Apr 17 with 1116 views | TJS |
Another very sobering fact is that we have now failed to make the play-offs in any of our first three seasons.
I’ve checked and I’m confident that this is a new low for a club of our size at this level since 2000.
That includes Leeds, Sunderland, Nottm Forest, Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd, Charlton, Leicester, Wolves, Southampton, QPR and Norwich.
The only slight exception is Portsmouth who finished bottom but were in administration. |  | | |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 15:40 - Apr 17 with 1115 views | PhilTWTD |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 12:39 - Apr 17 by timothyeo |
Yeah, I take your point re the Championship but I wonder if that is primarily down to the Covid losses and a season of being incredibly prudent, not knowing if further lockdowns could have happened etc. My initial expectation is the Championship to have a similar disparity to our league now, but perhaps not. |
I think you're right, Covid and the effect on budgets probably has a lot to do with it. I've hardly watched any Championship games this season but various people have said it's not been a great division this year. Seems we might be in danger of getting our timing wrong when it comes to getting promoted! |  | | |
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| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 16:05 - Apr 17 with 1085 views | chicoazul |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 23:10 - Apr 16 by MattinLondon |
Anything other than promotion will be a total failure. |
Yep. We are now about to enter our 4th season of catastrophic failure. |  |
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| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 16:30 - Apr 17 with 1051 views | Dubtractor |
On the subject of PPG - I had a look earlier to see what PPG we will have needed under Mckenna in his 23 games to have reached the 83 point mark this season, seeing as that looks like the total 6th place will have this season. The answer is 2.35. That level of performance over a full season would see you hit 108 points!
So yes, we have fallen well short in the end, but even with a few better results we would still have fallen short. The season really was as good as over when we sacked Cook after 20 games (at 1.35 PPG for comparison).
Just comforting myself really that this typically flat end of season (results wise) is ultimately of no consequence whatsoever.
There must be NO excuses next season though - none of this 'needing to gel' nonsense if we throw the season away in the first 6 games. Next season we must get promoted, or at least make really good go of it. |  |
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| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 16:34 - Apr 17 with 1031 views | istanblue |
This league isn't hard though, is it? One of our worst ever managers (Lambert) had one of our worst ever squads at the top of this league in January of 2020. He also had us 1pt outside the play-offs when he left with a similar group of wasters. We now have a much more capable manager, infinitely better backroom staff and infrastructure, and an ownership that actually knows what they're doing. Couple that with a far superior squad and there is absolutely no reason we shouldn't be top 2 next season. Anything less will be failure. |  | | |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 16:38 - Apr 17 with 1021 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 16:34 - Apr 17 by istanblue |
This league isn't hard though, is it? One of our worst ever managers (Lambert) had one of our worst ever squads at the top of this league in January of 2020. He also had us 1pt outside the play-offs when he left with a similar group of wasters. We now have a much more capable manager, infinitely better backroom staff and infrastructure, and an ownership that actually knows what they're doing. Couple that with a far superior squad and there is absolutely no reason we shouldn't be top 2 next season. Anything less will be failure. |
It's not hard if you at least follow what those above you do.
Under the Paul's and under KM we have struggled to beat those around is. But not only that the latter paul and KM have struggled to beat the lower sides. |  |
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| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 16:47 - Apr 17 with 1012 views | 66notout |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 16:34 - Apr 17 by istanblue |
This league isn't hard though, is it? One of our worst ever managers (Lambert) had one of our worst ever squads at the top of this league in January of 2020. He also had us 1pt outside the play-offs when he left with a similar group of wasters. We now have a much more capable manager, infinitely better backroom staff and infrastructure, and an ownership that actually knows what they're doing. Couple that with a far superior squad and there is absolutely no reason we shouldn't be top 2 next season. Anything less will be failure. |
Where is the evidence that we have “an ownership that actually knows what they’re doing” if we are currently lower in League One than we finished last season? | | | |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 19:34 - Apr 17 with 958 views | Churchman |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 16:47 - Apr 17 by 66notout |
Where is the evidence that we have “an ownership that actually knows what they’re doing” if we are currently lower in League One than we finished last season? |
So by your reckoning, it was better to have a disinterred squad of 40+ players with one poor bloke in Lee O’Neill doing everything including sweeping the floor at a club that was literally falling apart.
No need for modern performance methods, a recruitment team scouting, CEO, community stuff, light bulbs, no trees removed from the roof, proper training facilities etc. just wheel in a bloke in a t shirt with a coffee cup and chums and hope for the best.
Fine, but I prefer what the club and KM is trying to do. |  | | |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 19:48 - Apr 17 with 940 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 16:47 - Apr 17 by 66notout |
Where is the evidence that we have “an ownership that actually knows what they’re doing” if we are currently lower in League One than we finished last season? |
Don't be such a silly tit. | | | |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 20:54 - Apr 17 with 905 views | Millsey |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 08:51 - Apr 17 by DBaldy |
"Fellow franchisees"??
Bore off scummer. |
Probably the same tvvat who writes in the EADT comments on ITFC subjects looking for a bite!!! |  | | |
| “This league isn’t hard though”…. Errrrr why are we going to finish 10th on 21:08 - Apr 17 with 897 views | unstableblue |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 16:34 - Apr 17 by istanblue |
This league isn't hard though, is it? One of our worst ever managers (Lambert) had one of our worst ever squads at the top of this league in January of 2020. He also had us 1pt outside the play-offs when he left with a similar group of wasters. We now have a much more capable manager, infinitely better backroom staff and infrastructure, and an ownership that actually knows what they're doing. Couple that with a far superior squad and there is absolutely no reason we shouldn't be top 2 next season. Anything less will be failure. |
About to enter our 4th season
Having never made the play offs
And with the league about to have its highest points tally for play off entry
And we’ve just been doubled by a rival, and can only take 2 points from 4 games against Cambridge and Cheltenham
Get the message!! It’s bloody hard to get out of this league… Rotherham may not make it and they’ve been far more effective than us
Those lambert seasons are already a long time ago | |
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| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 22:14 - Apr 17 with 834 views | noggin |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 09:39 - Apr 17 by Pilgrimblue |
Not sure that McK has what it takes to get us promoted. He'll certainly have support from the Owners but he's got very little experience so it may take him too long. I don't want to see any more changes but there are managers out there they know how to get out of L1. |
Remember Keane, Jewell, Mick, Hurst and Cook? They all knew how to get teams up innit. BCWYWF. |  |
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| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 22:31 - Apr 17 with 804 views | pointofblue |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 22:14 - Apr 17 by noggin |
Remember Keane, Jewell, Mick, Hurst and Cook? They all knew how to get teams up innit. BCWYWF. |
Be fair, Hurst and Lambert got us out of the Championship. | |
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| Oh and 3 wins in our last 35 live TV appearances on 22:32 - Apr 17 with 804 views | unstableblue |
| “This league isn’t hard though”…. Errrrr why are we going to finish 10th on 21:08 - Apr 17 by unstableblue |
About to enter our 4th season
Having never made the play offs
And with the league about to have its highest points tally for play off entry
And we’ve just been doubled by a rival, and can only take 2 points from 4 games against Cambridge and Cheltenham
Get the message!! It’s bloody hard to get out of this league… Rotherham may not make it and they’ve been far more effective than us
Those lambert seasons are already a long time ago |
Throughout last summer and this season, and as we look forward to next I continue to be flabbergasted by the p!ss the league and divine right, and auto promotion is only acceptable vibe from a minority on this board
Have you seen what’s been happening to this club, even up to recent form
It will take a huge shift in fortunes and play to get out of this league
I trust in McKenna to deliver… but it will take luck and some breaks
Tough tough league to exit, especially a club like ours that can’t win on the big occasion | |
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| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 22:37 - Apr 17 with 796 views | BigCommon |
| Quick sobering stat on McKenna record and the difficulty of this league… on 08:44 - Apr 17 by ElephantintheRoom |
It’s not coincidence that Wigan, Rotherham and our fellow franchisees at MK have ground out results while ‘big clubs’ like Sunderland, Sheff Wed and indeed Ipswich are well off the pace
I’m not sure that all this infrastructure and backroom staff is entirely beneficial in division three - with a tyro manager whose skill set might not be getting journeymen to knit together better than 21 other teams of so-so players. On thé évidence so far this season there is a danger that McKenna might be creating Burley’s Ipswich one division lower down - perhaps the best ´footballing team’ in the division - just not the best team. I doubt he’ll be given another season IF there’s a glorious play-off failure next season, let alone three failures. |
The structure we are putting in place, may not be 100% relevant or needed for L1... So, imo, it's refreshing to see us planning for bigger things.... In all honesty, I'm not bothered if it takes another 2 seasons to get promoted from L1.. The bigger picture, will be to be challenging for The Prem' within, say, 3-5 seasons... We will be better equipped to reach our longer term goals, but planning ahead somewhat, imo..... As for KMc. It's ludicrous to start spouting, "give him another season"... Not least, because he's directing most of what we are putting into place right now, in terms of training facilities, as per M.A.. But also, because he is well respected throughout the football fraternity, as we know. And for a club like us, to throw him under a bus after just 18 mnths, especially after being told to "look after him", by Man Utd.. I'm not sure would do our own credibility the world of good... Sit tight, be patient and get behind the clubs ambition... Get behind Keiren. ESPECIALLY, when things might be bumpy at any time next season... From what I've seen of him. There's a real good guy and good manager in there. Don't pour boiling water on it. Please... Quite honestly, if a few fans don't like what they see . It might be best for them to stay away for a few games. Rather than create a toxic atmosphere , for the very large number that are right behind Keiren and the club... That's not aimed at you personally. More a broadside at the spoilers out there, who don't realise that the world of ITFC doesn't revolve, soley, around them... |  | | |
| Arghhhhhh….. on 06:50 - Apr 18 with 734 views | ArnieM |
| Arghhhhhh….. on 23:55 - Apr 16 by pointofblue |
If we were still under Evans I would agree. But with the American ownership and the quality of players they managed to bring in last summer showing promise for this one? Promotion has to be the end destination next season. Will it be? I'm not so sure. |
But are these players the right TYPE of player to beat combative league one sides? Yesterdays gsme like do many others this season suggest not . And is a purest passing football approach the right tactic ALL the time? I’d suggest not. Is McKenna able ( willing?) to change that approach / “ profile” or will he ( just like Cook) stick to his beliefs / principles / current tactics going into next season , because if HE isn’t willing to change snd asap snd mix it up for certain games , then results like yesterday against teams like Rotherham, Wycombe, Fleetwood, etc etc will continue to thwart us in our efforts to get out of this league .
Next season is a massive one for McKenna…. And yet again this Club . FOUR years now at division THREE level snd we’ve only ever managed MIDTABLE! |  |
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