| One thing the Boris reign taught me 13:37 - Jul 7 with 4934 views | The_Romford_Blue |
I think I (and probably many others) were way too harsh on Theresa May. She was way out of her depth and at the end it was tough to watch.
Realistically though she tried her best in a difficult job (the Brexit deal issue) but had every intention to serve the interests of the country. You never once felt she was deliberately lying or trying to cover up scandal after scandal. Compare that to the era of Boris who was quite clearly in it for himself with no care for his party, his constituents or his country.
My respect for her over the last three years have gone up 10-fold. Also respect that she carried on as an MP for her area where she’s apparently very popular (done a lot for the area so I read) and intending to stand in the next general election.
Good luck to her - the last PM with some actual morals |  |
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| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 13:44 - Jul 7 with 3085 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I hear what you say.
Theresa May was a bad PM. She made a lot of mistakes, some unforgivable "hostile environment".
But as a person she is light years ahead of Boris Johnson. That man is a complete disgrace. |  |
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| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 13:47 - Jul 7 with 3060 views | STYG |
May was hopeless. But I do think she tried her best and she was 100 times better than Boris.
This is often my argument with people that say Labour don't know what they are doing. I genuinely believe they'd try. They may not get everything right but I think they'd try to make everything better.
Whereas you know the majority of Tories only care about making it better for themselves and their ilk.
Give me Labour or a May, good intentions not executed perfectly over sheer deliberate greed and destruction any day. Although, it would be nice to think we could one day be lucky enough to have competent and good intentions. |  | | |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 13:48 - Jul 7 with 3035 views | SomethingBlue |
And yet when she's being held up a paragon it shows just how fcuked up — perhaps beyond repair — our politics and the public's perception if it really are. | |
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| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:01 - Jul 7 with 2969 views | MattinLondon |
Where were her morals when as Home Secretary she created an almost hateful atmosphere for asylum seekers. Where were her morals when as PM, she went so far right in order to court the voters of UKIP.
She has more than played her part in creating an atmosphere where Boris and his incompetent mates have been able to thrive. |  | | |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:14 - Jul 7 with 2888 views | PrideOfTheEast |
What you describe highlights the problem with the system in general. It just doesn't work. | | | |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:16 - Jul 7 with 2853 views | HARRY10 |
Handed the shtty end of the stick she was never going to 'get Brexit done', as what the implications of the UK leaving the EU were all too obvious, now as then.
Johnson saw the opportunity. and lied. All those inconvenient truths could be ignored by an 'over ready deal' - and as long as he was elected PM, fck the consequences was his thought.
Yes, this oduous shtbag has been booted out - and I have no doubt he will face a fair few enquiries over the coming months/years.
But we, the country, are stuck with the consequences of his sell out. Ask fishermen, hauliers, farmers, hoteliers, exporters.... as they see the consequences, before their eyes. . We cannot simply resign from being out of the EU.
This will be the real legacy of this shyster. | | | |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:16 - Jul 7 with 2853 views | Lord_Lucan |
It was a stupid idea from the start to put her up for the job in the first place, how can you have a staunch remainer negotiating a Brexit deal, it beggars belief.
I think she was completely unsuitable, a complete waste of three years.
Just looked at the clip posted by Grizzles and it seems Ben Wallace is favourite, I'd still prefer Penny Mordaunt but would be happy with Wallace.
Can't believe Liz Truss is seriously being considered, she's an absolute fool. |  |
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| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:19 - Jul 7 with 2821 views | itfcjoe |
She was a terrible PM, just because she wasn't on the take and totally unsuited to high office is no reason for kudos - that is the absolute minimum required |  |
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| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:23 - Jul 7 with 2785 views | Dubtractor |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:19 - Jul 7 by itfcjoe |
She was a terrible PM, just because she wasn't on the take and totally unsuited to high office is no reason for kudos - that is the absolute minimum required |
I think she appears better in hindsight because a) she wasn't Johnson and b) she seems to have softened some of her views, and become more 'decent' in her public persona.
None of that changes the fact she was a hopeless pm. |  |
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| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:28 - Jul 7 with 2748 views | HARRY10 |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:16 - Jul 7 by Lord_Lucan |
It was a stupid idea from the start to put her up for the job in the first place, how can you have a staunch remainer negotiating a Brexit deal, it beggars belief.
I think she was completely unsuitable, a complete waste of three years.
Just looked at the clip posted by Grizzles and it seems Ben Wallace is favourite, I'd still prefer Penny Mordaunt but would be happy with Wallace.
Can't believe Liz Truss is seriously being considered, she's an absolute fool. |
err, how can you have ANYONE negotiating brexit where the result will not be the same
The consequences of the UK being out of the EU are now all too apparent - with the absolute certainty that the current slide will continue
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/07/uk-dairy-farmers-warn-of-pri | | | |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:36 - Jul 7 with 2718 views | STYG |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:23 - Jul 7 by Dubtractor |
I think she appears better in hindsight because a) she wasn't Johnson and b) she seems to have softened some of her views, and become more 'decent' in her public persona.
None of that changes the fact she was a hopeless pm. |
Yep.
May is the ex who cheated on you twice and cleaned out your bank account that just looks alright because the one after also cheated, took the kids, your house, all your money and then got you a Norwich season ticket. | | | |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:37 - Jul 7 with 2710 views | homer_123 |
She was bad and Boris much much worse. |  |
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| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:39 - Jul 7 with 2695 views | MattinLondon |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:16 - Jul 7 by Lord_Lucan |
It was a stupid idea from the start to put her up for the job in the first place, how can you have a staunch remainer negotiating a Brexit deal, it beggars belief.
I think she was completely unsuitable, a complete waste of three years.
Just looked at the clip posted by Grizzles and it seems Ben Wallace is favourite, I'd still prefer Penny Mordaunt but would be happy with Wallace.
Can't believe Liz Truss is seriously being considered, she's an absolute fool. |
Hi LL
As a ‘remainder’ surly it would have been easier for her to deal with the EU than a staunch Brexiteer who would have taken great delight in being an absolute arse on the negotiation table. She went full circle in trying to appease the UKIPers of the Tory and country.
If she had entered brexit negotiations with a relatively soft agenda - but still adamant that the UK was leaving - then I think the country would have moved on. Still in the single market, still in the customs union which would have left the economy in a much better position. All my opinion of course. | | | |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:45 - Jul 7 with 2657 views | Blueschev |
She was awful, it's just her successor was worse. Same could be said for Cameron. That is why today is somewhat bittersweet, as I'm nervous of the pattern repeating itself once again. |  | | |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:46 - Jul 7 with 2652 views | Churchman |
Theresa May was loathed by the people I met in Home Office when she was there. As PM, she had her favourite advisors, was allegedly hard to deal with and worst of all, micro managed. Total opposite to Johnson and Cameron. That meant there was not a government document that went out that didn’t have her approval. Not good. It meant slow, poor government.
She was totally unsuited to be PM. You see instantly how much healthier she looked after she finished which says a lot.
Interesting that she’s highly regarded as an MP. Not surprised. She is diligent and cares. Believe it or not, despite being an oily slimeball, David Mellor was a really good constituency MP for Putney. He even laughed when my buddy told him to F off. BJs brother was apparently good too (Orpington).
I think the majority of people in public life go into it with good intentions. It just seems the wrong uns get to the top, for some reason. |  | | |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 15:03 - Jul 7 with 2592 views | HARRY10 |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:39 - Jul 7 by MattinLondon |
Hi LL
As a ‘remainder’ surly it would have been easier for her to deal with the EU than a staunch Brexiteer who would have taken great delight in being an absolute arse on the negotiation table. She went full circle in trying to appease the UKIPers of the Tory and country.
If she had entered brexit negotiations with a relatively soft agenda - but still adamant that the UK was leaving - then I think the country would have moved on. Still in the single market, still in the customs union which would have left the economy in a much better position. All my opinion of course. |
therein lies the great myth, as peddled by the brexiteers - there was something to negotiate. THERE WAS NOT
The UK was leaving the EU. It would then become a 'third country' ie non EU member
Ir would then have to follow the riles that apply to non members. It really is that simple.
Sadly I fear brexiteers will trip out the lie as with Germany re 1918 (stabbed in the back).
Perhaps at some point they will grasp it was their own stupidity in swallowing lies from the likes of Rees-Mogg, Farage and Johnson....known habitual liars, that is where the real blame lies.
Why they were so willing to turn a deaf ear to evidence, will be for them to work out.
The UK is out of the EU, the consequences are obvious. They are not unknowns, or unexpected. Nor could they ever be negotiated away.
Brexit was as stupid as ITFC voting to leave the FL, in the belief that we would then be able to arrange games against the worlds best, with our own rules and on our own terms. No more the FL telling is when we have to play, or who we have to play.
We would become an 'independent' football club, free to run our own affairs, manage if our money, transfer players in and out - all of which is currently banned by the FL.
Yes, it was that stupid | | | |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 15:10 - Jul 7 with 2585 views | BonneNIL |
Let's look at our PMs since the 80's.
Thatcher
Pushed Britain into a being neo-conservative, liberal economic, America-lite and destroyed our native industry and workforce
Major
Continued much of the same, was elected with a thumping majority to do so but his MP's were corrupt and the scandals finished him and his party.
Blair
Continued much the same as Thatcher/Major, but was far more reckless with the public spending element. Bombed and killed thousands of innocent Afghans and Iraqis to do the bidding of the United States
Brown
A scapegoat for Blairs overspending, too little too late and still inspired by Thatcherism
Cameron
More liberal than anyone previous, but equally invested in continuing the legacy left by Thatcher and co. Couldn't win an election outright, gambled to win one, the gamble was the referendum, he lost, and off he went.
May
The "not Boris Johnson" candidate the Tories pushed to try and save themselves over the Brexit mess, however, when it was clear that her and her party were not going to deliver the hard Brexit their parliamentary majority relied on, and ended up failing to deliver the soft-leave. She was right of Cameron and Blair.
Johnson
The "not a remainer" celebrity candidate with no real direction, plan, and a shocking record. Hounded out by his own MP's. People liked him because he was a character, not because he was qualified, and the Brexit mob-backed him as they had to, to get what they wanted.
So... the next PM will be a Thatcher-inspired, free market, America-lite liberal economic type as that's the only person that ever gets selected, nothing will change. |  |
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| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 15:31 - Jul 7 with 2529 views | Lord_Lucan |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 14:39 - Jul 7 by MattinLondon |
Hi LL
As a ‘remainder’ surly it would have been easier for her to deal with the EU than a staunch Brexiteer who would have taken great delight in being an absolute arse on the negotiation table. She went full circle in trying to appease the UKIPers of the Tory and country.
If she had entered brexit negotiations with a relatively soft agenda - but still adamant that the UK was leaving - then I think the country would have moved on. Still in the single market, still in the customs union which would have left the economy in a much better position. All my opinion of course. |
I disagree
I wanted to remain but if we were out then my feeling was we ought to be out out and tell EU to do one.
May would have kept us in single market and customs union which wasn't Brexit, I admit that it would have made life for me a whole lot easier but I just thought if we were out then we needed to be fully out | |
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| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 15:31 - Jul 7 with 2530 views | dickie |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 15:10 - Jul 7 by BonneNIL |
Let's look at our PMs since the 80's.
Thatcher
Pushed Britain into a being neo-conservative, liberal economic, America-lite and destroyed our native industry and workforce
Major
Continued much of the same, was elected with a thumping majority to do so but his MP's were corrupt and the scandals finished him and his party.
Blair
Continued much the same as Thatcher/Major, but was far more reckless with the public spending element. Bombed and killed thousands of innocent Afghans and Iraqis to do the bidding of the United States
Brown
A scapegoat for Blairs overspending, too little too late and still inspired by Thatcherism
Cameron
More liberal than anyone previous, but equally invested in continuing the legacy left by Thatcher and co. Couldn't win an election outright, gambled to win one, the gamble was the referendum, he lost, and off he went.
May
The "not Boris Johnson" candidate the Tories pushed to try and save themselves over the Brexit mess, however, when it was clear that her and her party were not going to deliver the hard Brexit their parliamentary majority relied on, and ended up failing to deliver the soft-leave. She was right of Cameron and Blair.
Johnson
The "not a remainer" celebrity candidate with no real direction, plan, and a shocking record. Hounded out by his own MP's. People liked him because he was a character, not because he was qualified, and the Brexit mob-backed him as they had to, to get what they wanted.
So... the next PM will be a Thatcher-inspired, free market, America-lite liberal economic type as that's the only person that ever gets selected, nothing will change. |
Oh how we wasted that AV referendum! | | | |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 15:36 - Jul 7 with 2498 views | MattinLondon |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 15:31 - Jul 7 by Lord_Lucan |
I disagree
I wanted to remain but if we were out then my feeling was we ought to be out out and tell EU to do one.
May would have kept us in single market and customs union which wasn't Brexit, I admit that it would have made life for me a whole lot easier but I just thought if we were out then we needed to be fully out |
That baggers the question ‘what was, or is Brexit?
Brexit - leaving the EU, yes I understand that. But non-EU countries have access to the singke market as well. Telling the largest most successful single market to ‘do one’ isn’t the most sensible thing to do. | | | |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 15:47 - Jul 7 with 2452 views | ITFC_Forever |
No, she was dreadful as well.
As with all changes, there’s two parts to it… the decision to make the change, and then who you replace them with. Deciding to make the change was correct, who was appointed instead was not. See also Mick McCarthy. |  |
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| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 16:01 - Jul 7 with 2396 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Just to clarify seeing some of the replies.. I did say I thought she was a bad PM. And rightfully had to go.
Just that she was at least someone with morals. Unlike Boris who is a disgrace not only to himself but as a representative of the UK as our PM | |
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| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 16:18 - Jul 7 with 2347 views | chicoazul |
I think she’s going to run and win this time. |  |
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| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 16:36 - Jul 7 with 2317 views | TractorWood |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 15:31 - Jul 7 by dickie |
Oh how we wasted that AV referendum! |
It was to appease the Lib Dems wasn't it? No one really wanted that referendum, no one cared enough to have a big campaign before it, no one turned up and no one voted for AV. |  |
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| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 16:50 - Jul 7 with 2276 views | Freddies_Ears |
| One thing the Boris reign taught me on 15:31 - Jul 7 by Lord_Lucan |
I disagree
I wanted to remain but if we were out then my feeling was we ought to be out out and tell EU to do one.
May would have kept us in single market and customs union which wasn't Brexit, I admit that it would have made life for me a whole lot easier but I just thought if we were out then we needed to be fully out |
May screwed us over massively by insisting on no to the SM, no to the CU, and no to a border on the island of Ireland. The those three "red lines", as she called them, are legally incompatible, or irreconcilable. The NI Protocol creates a border between UK and NI. BJ "got Brexit done" by lying, claiming there would be no such border.
May was clueless and dangerous. Remember her appalling "citizens of nowhere" speech...
She was worse than the useless and dangerous Cameron. BJ was worse again, utterly amoral, both personally and politically.
Even the Tories are going to struggle to find anyone worse. | | | |
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