| Radio Suffolk ... no more 16:29 - Aug 11 with 11868 views | DJR |
as the Proclaimers might say.
I emailed Marcus Nash first and then Scott Paul to request the club retain BBC Radio Suffolk for the audio coverage, just as Forest TV last season used BBC Radio Nottingham for the audio coverage last season.
The following response from Scott Paul (thanks, but no thanks) indicates they won't be shifted whatever we say. It's clearly engagement with the fans but only on their terms. And the reference to a careful process of consideration hides the fact that they didn't even consider fans who might be listening on audio only until it was pointed out to them.
"Whilst I understand your disappointment at the switch away from BBC Radio Suffolk commentary on iFollow, I do thank you for your continued support over this, past, and seasons to come.
As with anything of this nature, a careful process of consideration was completed before the Club decided to proceed with an in-house commentary team. Chiefly, this decision was formed due to the phase-out of iFollow that is planned towards the end of this campaign, when the Club plans to introduce TownTV.
The move away from BBC Radio Suffolk has allowed us to introduce a more contemporary show presentation, where co-commentary from current players and recent ex-players allows the Club to provide a unique voice/perspective to proceedings. In turn , this will enable us to convey more key Club messages to a greater extent than we would be permitted via BBC Radio Suffolk
As you will have noticed from comments during my recent interview, Glenn Wheeler (our chief commentator) has been briefed to commentate with a more radio audio-descriptive style in future, which will only improve as he voices more iFollow presentations. I am sure that people soon become more accustomed to his commentary style and be able to enjoy the Ipswich games that he brings to life.
Many thanks for your email and observations."
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| Oh ffs on 23:12 - Aug 11 with 1337 views | textbackup |
| Oh ffs on 23:00 - Aug 11 by jeera |
He does and there's no getting away from it.
But of course all he's really doing is creating an atmosphere for the listeners. As we've established ourselves it's a different ball game, so to speak, to TV coverage and the enthusiasm is a major part of that.
Trouble is when it's our team that's just suffered a goal in the wrong direction we tend to take it personally and that bleeds into our perception of the commentary.
I curse him, or anyone, who sounds remotely excited when someone scores again us and it's hard to care at that moment if it's his job!
We were also spoilt for a few years with Baxter and Beattie who also took it very personally when the opposition scored.
I used to like that biased vibe of two Town fans conveying the game to the listeners! |
"But of course all he's really doing is creating an atmosphere for the listeners."
is he though? because at no point have i ever heard anyone say "cor old Brenner had a right atmosphere on the radio saturday, loved how he sounded so joyful when X scored"
that also doesnt explain the way he acted when Morsy score a brilliant goal, a goal we never score, from outside the box!
Baxter and Bracey on a tuesday night, away games, listening in parents kitchen whilst cleaning my football boots in the sink, ah TWTD indeeed |  |
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| Oh ffs on 23:31 - Aug 11 with 1315 views | jeera |
| Oh ffs on 23:12 - Aug 11 by textbackup |
"But of course all he's really doing is creating an atmosphere for the listeners."
is he though? because at no point have i ever heard anyone say "cor old Brenner had a right atmosphere on the radio saturday, loved how he sounded so joyful when X scored"
that also doesnt explain the way he acted when Morsy score a brilliant goal, a goal we never score, from outside the box!
Baxter and Bracey on a tuesday night, away games, listening in parents kitchen whilst cleaning my football boots in the sink, ah TWTD indeeed |
"Baxter and Bracey on a tuesday night, away games, listening in parents kitchen whilst cleaning my football boots in the sink, ah TWTD indeeed"
+ 1 for that. Brilliant together weren't they.
You know what I mean. Commentary isn't something I could do. I would be shouting with joy every time we have the ball and screaming obscenities every time 'they' get near to our goal.
Does he honestly favour the opposition? I'm not so sure about that which is what I was saying about us as fans being biased.
He's still a better bet for audio than the other option right now.
Maybe that says more about the lack of competition for the role. |  |
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| Oh ffs on 23:35 - Aug 11 with 1308 views | textbackup |
| Oh ffs on 23:31 - Aug 11 by jeera |
"Baxter and Bracey on a tuesday night, away games, listening in parents kitchen whilst cleaning my football boots in the sink, ah TWTD indeeed"
+ 1 for that. Brilliant together weren't they.
You know what I mean. Commentary isn't something I could do. I would be shouting with joy every time we have the ball and screaming obscenities every time 'they' get near to our goal.
Does he honestly favour the opposition? I'm not so sure about that which is what I was saying about us as fans being biased.
He's still a better bet for audio than the other option right now.
Maybe that says more about the lack of competition for the role. |
yeah i defiantly don't believe he favours the opposition, but could do with reining it in.
the normal fan would be awful at that job, considering what you hear all around you at PR these days!
i must say ive not heard the new team on ifollow. and as much as i moan about Brenner i will still flick the radio on for away games i'm not at | |
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| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 00:06 - Aug 12 with 1267 views | Matt_Netherlands |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 20:02 - Aug 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
How is it my Google Nest plays commentary/chat when my laptop has that annoying rights message then? Have I discovered a loophole? Or a wormhole in the space-time continuum?
I expect you to know these technical questions Phillis. |
Was this on Tuesday night by any chance? If so the cup games were available for online BBC radio suffolk streaming |  | | |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 00:07 - Aug 12 with 1266 views | Matt_Netherlands |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 18:53 - Aug 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We should all chip in to get them those rights. I'm willing to donate an Audi. |
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| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 00:42 - Aug 12 with 1246 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 16:35 - Aug 11 by ZXBlue |
Unfortunately his "commentary style" is poor, and even the more descriptive versin last week was well short of being useful for audio only listeners. |
It was better than the first game, as a video commentary. I would go so far as to say he was fine for video commentary. He needs to be given time, it's not his fault. |  | | |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 08:05 - Aug 12 with 1185 views | DJR |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 22:44 - Aug 11 by itfcjoe |
I thought TV commentary was ok on Saturday, not great and to be expected when pulling in a young 3rd choice keeper to co commentate. Commentary is a job and not something anyone can just do, and Brennar tends to be good at helping those.
But I hadn’t realised, and seemingly neither had the club, that they were sticking this out on the audio feed. That just isn’t going to work, radio commentary can overlay TV pictures and it may be sub optimal at times - but tv commentary is never going to work audio only.
Just ask any blind person following a game of football whether they’d listen to 5 live or the tv commentary on a big game. It’s setting the commentator up to fail and they need to put the Suffolk feed back down the audio only option. |
With your connections, and Blue Monday's profile, I wonder if this is something you could take up with the club, Joe, as we as mere fans are obviously getting nowhere? As I mentioned earlier, listening to audio only on Saturday, I had no idea what was going on, and feel I was cheated for my £2.50 payment. I might add that none of this is meant as criticism of the commentator who is clearly doing his best, but it is interesting to note, for example, that Norwich offer the BBC Norfolk commentary, and there must be other ways of reaching audio subscribers (email, adverts in video highlights) if the plan is to increase Blue Planet sales. [Post edited 12 Aug 2022 8:07]
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| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 08:24 - Aug 12 with 1181 views | xrayspecs |
"Its clearly engagement... but only on their terms".
What entitled nonsense.
They engaged with you and have not agreed to your request.
A little bit like the scoreboard and the in-house catering, ir will not be perfect from day 1 but as per interview with stadium chap the other week, and subsequent changes, the club appear to be committed to making things work,
I am sure it will be no different with the in-house commentary. | | | |
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| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 08:35 - Aug 12 with 1174 views | DJR |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 08:24 - Aug 12 by xrayspecs |
"Its clearly engagement... but only on their terms".
What entitled nonsense.
They engaged with you and have not agreed to your request.
A little bit like the scoreboard and the in-house catering, ir will not be perfect from day 1 but as per interview with stadium chap the other week, and subsequent changes, the club appear to be committed to making things work,
I am sure it will be no different with the in-house commentary. |
I am a season ticket holder and don't care about the catering or the scoreboard, and don't have to pay £2.50 for either, but I did pay £2.50 on Saturday for a hopeless service. This thread has generated over 3,500 views, so it suggests I am not alone in my concerns. The fact is that there are different ways of doing things, and we appear to be going down the Robins TV route, rather than, say, the Forest TV route, which last season offered BBC Nottingham for the audio coverage. What makes things even more galling is that they went down this route without even considering audio only fans, and in my view a TV commentary will never be adequate for audio-only listeners. [Post edited 12 Aug 2022 8:41]
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| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 08:50 - Aug 12 with 1165 views | Darth_Koont |
I haven't listened to Glenn Wheeler audio only. So I appreciate that it's literally a different story.
But I quite like him as a commentator more generally. I think the key is that he and TownTV have taken on the "radio commentary" concerns. So we need to give them a little time to sort it out and get better..
Of course, you can also understand that with TownTV they've also tried to go towards TV-style commentary too, so it'll be about a semi-happy medium where not everyone is thrilled with the result whatever happens.
And just to add on a related note that, even though I've listened to Brenner et al over the years and think they've done an overall very good job, listening to the radio commentary on Tuesday bored me a little. Felt like time to move on from thinking about and talking about the team in pretty much the same way for the last dozen years. |  |
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| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 10:32 - Aug 12 with 1089 views | PioneerBlue |
Folks still banging on about this topic. It’s going to be bad when we lose a game isn’t it!
I would like to see a fans commentary down the pipe for 50p | |
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| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 10:43 - Aug 12 with 1055 views | coolcat |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 08:05 - Aug 12 by DJR |
With your connections, and Blue Monday's profile, I wonder if this is something you could take up with the club, Joe, as we as mere fans are obviously getting nowhere? As I mentioned earlier, listening to audio only on Saturday, I had no idea what was going on, and feel I was cheated for my £2.50 payment. I might add that none of this is meant as criticism of the commentator who is clearly doing his best, but it is interesting to note, for example, that Norwich offer the BBC Norfolk commentary, and there must be other ways of reaching audio subscribers (email, adverts in video highlights) if the plan is to increase Blue Planet sales. [Post edited 12 Aug 2022 8:07]
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I agree. I'm starting to sound like a broken record with this. I've posted about it so many times. I sent an email after the first game from which I got an impersonal 'circular' from Marcus Nash and that my email would be forwarded on for his 'perusal'. Not surprised I haven't heard anything yet. I don't think they were expecting such a big response. A Scott Paul on scott.paul@itfc.co.uk is now another contact.
Makes sense what Joe is saying about their not being aware of the tv commentary going out to listeners on ifollow audio. Or even how many listen on ifollow given the strength of the response. The game vs FGR was a bit better, but still a long way off. After describing Morsy's goal vs FGR, he then went on to say '....and for those listening on ifollow audio....'. Shows it's biased towards those watching on livestream. As they're going down the Town TV route fans listening on ifollow audio be given a choice of either BBC radio or tv commentary as other clubs have done. Apparently he has a 'radio background', which can mean anything. He was 'misbriefed' about the Bolton match. Will take a while to get up to standard, perhaps. But ultimately they underestimated the response. It's not what ifollow audio listeners in the UK, o/s Ipswich, signed up for.
With respect to Glen Wheeler as he's just been posted there by the club. But forcing a change on people without a plan b will lead to people cancelling their subscriptions. Good radio commentary unites fans, both listening and watching. It helps you to visualize the match, brings you to the heart of the game. People may not always agree with what's being said or certain reactions, but that's minor compared to the overall experience. It's a vital community asset that's being underestimated. |  | | |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 10:45 - Aug 12 with 1052 views | ArnieM |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 16:49 - Aug 11 by StewartIsNowLimping |
Some don't like change, and that's fair enough. But this feels like a bit of moaning for the sake of moaning. Give the new team a chance.
Brenner has had a tough job commentating on some poor years worth of football and I really haven't envied him in recent years. Especially having to speak to Lambert on the weekly. That said, its got to the point where he sucks the fun out of a goal with his commentary, and you question whether he wants the oppo to win.
I'm all for change here. |
Except for the simple fact the clubs in house commentary is absolute Bollox! I doubt he’d get a job in the radio for instance …. |  |
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| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 10:52 - Aug 12 with 1036 views | hoppy |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 08:24 - Aug 12 by xrayspecs |
"Its clearly engagement... but only on their terms".
What entitled nonsense.
They engaged with you and have not agreed to your request.
A little bit like the scoreboard and the in-house catering, ir will not be perfect from day 1 but as per interview with stadium chap the other week, and subsequent changes, the club appear to be committed to making things work,
I am sure it will be no different with the in-house commentary. |
I've not seen a reduction on the beer prices that have jumped up to £5.25 a pint (or can) this season and the doing away with the good value 'pie and pint' deal in Beatties, even though that was highlighted after the Bolton game... I assume they're just working on getting that right too?
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| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 11:09 - Aug 12 with 1000 views | jayessess |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 10:43 - Aug 12 by coolcat |
I agree. I'm starting to sound like a broken record with this. I've posted about it so many times. I sent an email after the first game from which I got an impersonal 'circular' from Marcus Nash and that my email would be forwarded on for his 'perusal'. Not surprised I haven't heard anything yet. I don't think they were expecting such a big response. A Scott Paul on scott.paul@itfc.co.uk is now another contact.
Makes sense what Joe is saying about their not being aware of the tv commentary going out to listeners on ifollow audio. Or even how many listen on ifollow given the strength of the response. The game vs FGR was a bit better, but still a long way off. After describing Morsy's goal vs FGR, he then went on to say '....and for those listening on ifollow audio....'. Shows it's biased towards those watching on livestream. As they're going down the Town TV route fans listening on ifollow audio be given a choice of either BBC radio or tv commentary as other clubs have done. Apparently he has a 'radio background', which can mean anything. He was 'misbriefed' about the Bolton match. Will take a while to get up to standard, perhaps. But ultimately they underestimated the response. It's not what ifollow audio listeners in the UK, o/s Ipswich, signed up for.
With respect to Glen Wheeler as he's just been posted there by the club. But forcing a change on people without a plan b will lead to people cancelling their subscriptions. Good radio commentary unites fans, both listening and watching. It helps you to visualize the match, brings you to the heart of the game. People may not always agree with what's being said or certain reactions, but that's minor compared to the overall experience. It's a vital community asset that's being underestimated. |
I'd be interested what the drawbacks of having in-house commentary for iFollow and Radio Suffolk for the audio would be? |  |
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| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 11:15 - Aug 12 with 998 views | Skip_Intro |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 11:09 - Aug 12 by jayessess |
I'd be interested what the drawbacks of having in-house commentary for iFollow and Radio Suffolk for the audio would be? |
Cost I'd imagine - wouldn't the the club effectively be paying for two commentary teams? |  | | |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 11:29 - Aug 12 with 985 views | thebooks |
Yes, I for one am extremely excited by coverage that will "enable us to convey more key Club messages to a greater extent than we would be permitted via BBC Radio Suffolk", because I love being spoken to as a consumer of key marketing messages. |  | | |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 11:31 - Aug 12 with 979 views | jayessess |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 11:15 - Aug 12 by Skip_Intro |
Cost I'd imagine - wouldn't the the club effectively be paying for two commentary teams? |
I wonder what costs we'd be looking at though? You'd assume the BBC are paying Brenner and his co-commentators at the same rate as before. BBC Suffolk is broadcasting online the rest of the time, so they still have to pay for equipment, bandwidth etc. and aren't saving money by being FM Radio only for 90 minutes.
At is stands Radio Suffolk have lost audience and aren't saving any money, whilst Ipswich are making do without specialist radio commentary. | |
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| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 11:40 - Aug 12 with 957 views | Ryorry |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 11:29 - Aug 12 by thebooks |
Yes, I for one am extremely excited by coverage that will "enable us to convey more key Club messages to a greater extent than we would be permitted via BBC Radio Suffolk", because I love being spoken to as a consumer of key marketing messages. |
The ridiculous thing is that apparently they don't realise that listening to a full, in depth, competent & engaging commentary of *what's actually happening on the pitch* is far more likely to attract new supporters & fully enthuse those who were already supporters, into buying merchandise etc.
As it stands, people are either switching to the opposition's commentary in their droves, or asking to cancel their ITFC subscription. |  |
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| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 11:41 - Aug 12 with 953 views | Skip_Intro |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 11:31 - Aug 12 by jayessess |
I wonder what costs we'd be looking at though? You'd assume the BBC are paying Brenner and his co-commentators at the same rate as before. BBC Suffolk is broadcasting online the rest of the time, so they still have to pay for equipment, bandwidth etc. and aren't saving money by being FM Radio only for 90 minutes.
At is stands Radio Suffolk have lost audience and aren't saving any money, whilst Ipswich are making do without specialist radio commentary. |
won't the club control both audio and video streams under Town TV or whatever it will be called? If so you'd have to pay a fee to RS to use their feed and so the club would effectively be paying for 2 commentary teams... | | | |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 11:47 - Aug 12 with 944 views | jayessess |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 11:41 - Aug 12 by Skip_Intro |
won't the club control both audio and video streams under Town TV or whatever it will be called? If so you'd have to pay a fee to RS to use their feed and so the club would effectively be paying for 2 commentary teams... |
yeah, I presume we pay RS a fee to use their audio but it can't be a huge amount of money, can it? Not like there's any benefit to RS to going dark on the internet for 90 minutes every week.
(alternately, if we control the rights to online audio commentary on our games, could we not just sell it/gift it to Radio Suffolk and people who want it can find it on the BBC RS website?) | |
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| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 13:17 - Aug 12 with 851 views | DJR |
| Radio Suffolk ... no more on 11:29 - Aug 12 by thebooks |
Yes, I for one am extremely excited by coverage that will "enable us to convey more key Club messages to a greater extent than we would be permitted via BBC Radio Suffolk", because I love being spoken to as a consumer of key marketing messages. |
The reference to "a more contemporary show presentation" made me chuckle because it made me think of contemporary art where the meaning of the artist (or in this the commentator) is not obvious. Indeed, perhaps the commentary at Forest Green was the audio equivalent of the pile of bricks at the Tate many years ago. | | | |
| Oh ffs on 15:55 - Aug 12 with 779 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Oh ffs on 22:54 - Aug 11 by textbackup |
i dont think he favours the opposition, but you simply cant deny the screams of almost excitement when the opposition score, over the seemingly dull tone he takes when town score.
And if you, as i know you love to argue, really cant see this, go and listen to the goals from saturdays game. Morsy got a "oh and thats a lovely finish" in a tone that had me, my missus and sister all sat 3 meters at most from radio not realise we'd score..... to FGR 1 st goal, then their offside goal.... he squealed like a pig.
Go and listen before you come back trying to argue against that. |
I don't need to take one game at random, I've been listening for years.
I even started a thread once quoting him directly as he spoke, proving that he favours Ipswich.
If the tone ever goes up for an oppo goal it's in the same way I exclaim "OH SH!T!", not in a supporting-the-other-team-way.
You're talking nonsense. And what's more, it's cry-baby nonsense because you can't handle us conceding and weirdly want to blame the commentator.
No offence. |  |
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| Oh ffs on 15:59 - Aug 12 with 772 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Oh ffs on 23:00 - Aug 11 by jeera |
He does and there's no getting away from it.
But of course all he's really doing is creating an atmosphere for the listeners. As we've established ourselves it's a different ball game, so to speak, to TV coverage and the enthusiasm is a major part of that.
Trouble is when it's our team that's just suffered a goal in the wrong direction we tend to take it personally and that bleeds into our perception of the commentary.
I curse him, or anyone, who sounds remotely excited when someone scores again us and it's hard to care at that moment if it's his job!
We were also spoilt for a few years with Baxter and Beattie who also took it very personally when the opposition scored.
I used to like that biased vibe of two Town fans conveying the game to the listeners! |
"we tend to take it personally and that bleeds into our perception of the commentary."
So glad to see someone being honest about it.
And ALL decent (and mostly neutral) commentators do this. It's good commentating. I don't want some sycophant loving everything we do or being downbeat because we've conceded.
Some Town fans need to grow a pair. | |
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| Oh ffs on 16:01 - Aug 12 with 769 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Oh ffs on 23:31 - Aug 11 by jeera |
"Baxter and Bracey on a tuesday night, away games, listening in parents kitchen whilst cleaning my football boots in the sink, ah TWTD indeeed"
+ 1 for that. Brilliant together weren't they.
You know what I mean. Commentary isn't something I could do. I would be shouting with joy every time we have the ball and screaming obscenities every time 'they' get near to our goal.
Does he honestly favour the opposition? I'm not so sure about that which is what I was saying about us as fans being biased.
He's still a better bet for audio than the other option right now.
Maybe that says more about the lack of competition for the role. |
"I would be shouting with joy every time we have the ball and screaming obscenities every time 'they' get near to our goal."
I think that's what some of our fans, like texters, actually want. | |
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