| So the FBI say… 10:54 - Mar 1 with 10209 views | chicoazul |
….covid 19 probably leaked from a Chinese government laboratory.
That’s interesting isn’t it. Many TWTD boyos got upset when Trump called it the Chinese virus. |  |
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| So the FBI say… on 16:03 - Mar 1 with 1168 views | Churchman |
| So the FBI say… on 15:43 - Mar 1 by Buhrer |
Unsubstantiated personal anecdote you will ignore was here. [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 6:35]
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Is it worth me asking what your daughter was doing in a locked empty park? If she was alone, the police were right to find out who she was. If with friends, why were they there? If with you, I presume that regardless of rules, you knew best and would do as you pleased and pass that lesson on to your daughter.
Yep, let’s agree to disagree. |  | | |
| So the FBI say… (n/t) on 16:03 - Mar 1 with 1171 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| So the FBI say… on 16:01 - Mar 1 by Buhrer |
I've reread my first post. I apologise to all for putting it so offensively. A lot of people died because of covid and i think the covid pandemic was a terrible tragedy. I wasn't seeking to offend people and any other points I was seeking to make are irrelevant to having done that. |
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| So the FBI say… on 16:10 - Mar 1 with 1145 views | Buhrer |
| So the FBI say… on 16:03 - Mar 1 by Churchman |
Is it worth me asking what your daughter was doing in a locked empty park? If she was alone, the police were right to find out who she was. If with friends, why were they there? If with you, I presume that regardless of rules, you knew best and would do as you pleased and pass that lesson on to your daughter.
Yep, let’s agree to disagree. |
Pointless attempt to challenge your assumption was here.
Lockdown is having a generational detrimental effect upon our children. [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 6:37]
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| So the FBI say… on 16:11 - Mar 1 with 1148 views | homer_123 |
| So the FBI say… on 14:59 - Mar 1 by SitfcB |
Can’t pull a thread just because of differing opinions. |
Not all opinions are equal. |  |
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| So the FBI say… on 16:18 - Mar 1 with 1117 views | mrfixit426 |
| So the FBI say… on 16:01 - Mar 1 by Buhrer |
I've reread my first post. I apologise to all for putting it so offensively. A lot of people died because of covid and i think the covid pandemic was a terrible tragedy. I wasn't seeking to offend people and any other points I was seeking to make are irrelevant to having done that. |
"It appears a massive overreaction either intended or later coopted to capitals purpose.
Covids a cough (coughs kill if you're old or ill) and the pandemic was a big fake."
Right. Of course you didn't mean any offence. [Post edited 1 Mar 2023 16:19]
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| So the FBI say… on 16:21 - Mar 1 with 1108 views | Buhrer |
| So the FBI say… on 16:18 - Mar 1 by mrfixit426 |
"It appears a massive overreaction either intended or later coopted to capitals purpose.
Covids a cough (coughs kill if you're old or ill) and the pandemic was a big fake."
Right. Of course you didn't mean any offence. [Post edited 1 Mar 2023 16:19]
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You can take it or not, but I always try to be honest, and I'm apologising. Sorry I have upset you and I don't mean to continue. | | | |
| So the FBI say… on 16:47 - Mar 1 with 1041 views | Churchman |
| So the FBI say… on 16:10 - Mar 1 by Buhrer |
Pointless attempt to challenge your assumption was here.
Lockdown is having a generational detrimental effect upon our children. [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 6:37]
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Interrogated? What did the police bring the thumbscrews and portable rack? Did you raise a complaint against them?
Maybe they were just doing their job in asking questions and looking out for what might have appeared to them abandoned children - in addition to upholding the rules.
As for ‘generational detrimental effect’, what effects? I’m genuinely interested, not least because my neighbour’s three children of a similar age range seen perfectly normal and are cracking on with their lives. | | | |
| So the FBI say… on 16:51 - Mar 1 with 1035 views | SitfcB |
| So the FBI say… on 16:11 - Mar 1 by homer_123 |
Not all opinions are equal. |
Didn’t say they were. |  |
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| So the FBI say… on 16:56 - Mar 1 with 1023 views | noggin |
| So the FBI say… on 16:11 - Mar 1 by homer_123 |
Not all opinions are equal. |
That's just your opinion. |  |
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| So the FBI say… on 17:02 - Mar 1 with 972 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So the FBI say… on 14:34 - Mar 1 by homer_123 |
I think kids are way more resilient than we give them credit for. |
That is far too dismissive Homer.
My youngest daughter's education and mental health suffered terribly during the series of lockdowns.
Talk to anyone who works in education and they will tell you we are sitting on a timebomb of mental health issues in young adults that are a result of the measures taken during the pandemic.
That doesn't mean that those measure were not necessary or weren't taken with the best of intentions |  |
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| So the FBI say… on 17:17 - Mar 1 with 960 views | Horsham |
| So the FBI say… on 17:02 - Mar 1 by GlasgowBlue |
That is far too dismissive Homer.
My youngest daughter's education and mental health suffered terribly during the series of lockdowns.
Talk to anyone who works in education and they will tell you we are sitting on a timebomb of mental health issues in young adults that are a result of the measures taken during the pandemic.
That doesn't mean that those measure were not necessary or weren't taken with the best of intentions |
Homer’s comment is typical of so much on this thread and demonstrates a casual disregard for real issues. Both my kids have struggled terribly since lockdown. |  | | |
| So the FBI say… on 17:21 - Mar 1 with 958 views | Mullet |
| So the FBI say… on 12:19 - Mar 1 by Buhrer |
I only know what I saw. They shut down schools and our society. And they got even richer than usual. [Post edited 1 Mar 2023 16:12]
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Where the hell did I keep going to work then?
Schools weren't "shut down" they were kept open despite the risks so key workers could do their jobs and try and resolve things where possible.
Simplistic nonsense like this needs to stop being parroted frankly. I caught it at least twice in a school setting plus one time where I didn't test in time to be sure at least. Friends, colleagues and kids lost people despite our best efforts.
I'm a bit sick of hearing this sort of gripe frankly having spent hours voluntarily going through risk assessments and working with people to get as many staff safely into work as possible. |  |
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| So the FBI say… on 17:23 - Mar 1 with 945 views | Churchman |
| So the FBI say… on 17:17 - Mar 1 by Horsham |
Homer’s comment is typical of so much on this thread and demonstrates a casual disregard for real issues. Both my kids have struggled terribly since lockdown. |
In what way, if you don’t mind me asking? I am actually interested. Is there anything that can be done about it? | | | |
| So the FBI say… on 17:25 - Mar 1 with 942 views | Horsham |
| So the FBI say… on 17:23 - Mar 1 by Churchman |
In what way, if you don’t mind me asking? I am actually interested. Is there anything that can be done about it? |
I’m happy to talk about it further but not publicly! | | | |
| So the FBI say… on 17:25 - Mar 1 with 941 views | Mullet |
| So the FBI say… on 17:21 - Mar 1 by Mullet |
Where the hell did I keep going to work then?
Schools weren't "shut down" they were kept open despite the risks so key workers could do their jobs and try and resolve things where possible.
Simplistic nonsense like this needs to stop being parroted frankly. I caught it at least twice in a school setting plus one time where I didn't test in time to be sure at least. Friends, colleagues and kids lost people despite our best efforts.
I'm a bit sick of hearing this sort of gripe frankly having spent hours voluntarily going through risk assessments and working with people to get as many staff safely into work as possible. |
Just seen the asshole got banned by Phil. Apologies lads. | |
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| So the FBI say… on 17:29 - Mar 1 with 913 views | Churchman |
| So the FBI say… on 17:25 - Mar 1 by Mullet |
Just seen the asshole got banned by Phil. Apologies lads. |
No need to apologise whatsoever Mullet - after NHS, ambulance crews etc, you were at the sharp end of risk doing what you do. | | | |
| So the FBI say… on 17:32 - Mar 1 with 879 views | DJR |
| So the FBI say… on 16:47 - Mar 1 by Churchman |
Interrogated? What did the police bring the thumbscrews and portable rack? Did you raise a complaint against them?
Maybe they were just doing their job in asking questions and looking out for what might have appeared to them abandoned children - in addition to upholding the rules.
As for ‘generational detrimental effect’, what effects? I’m genuinely interested, not least because my neighbour’s three children of a similar age range seen perfectly normal and are cracking on with their lives. |
I think it may depend on the age of the children, as well as the interest or opportunity that parents had in educating and developing their children when nurseries, schools and the like were closed.
My daughter is currently doing a trainee teacher placement in year 1 (roughly age 6) in a deprived area, and it does seem from the behaviour and ability of the children that many are way below the level of development socially and academically that they should be for their age. Of course, there are other factors involved, it being a deprived area and the school having issues with staffing, but the following does suggest the pandemic has had an effect especially on young children, which would appear to the chime with the anecdotal evidence of my daughter's experience.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/apr/04/pandemic-has-delayed-social-skil
EDIT: one particular issue many of the children have is a lack of concentration for proper learning, and maybe this has been affected by being placed at an early age in front of a tablet for large parts of the pandemic.
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| So the FBI say… on 18:17 - Mar 1 with 763 views | giant_stow |
| So the FBI say… on 17:32 - Mar 1 by DJR |
I think it may depend on the age of the children, as well as the interest or opportunity that parents had in educating and developing their children when nurseries, schools and the like were closed.
My daughter is currently doing a trainee teacher placement in year 1 (roughly age 6) in a deprived area, and it does seem from the behaviour and ability of the children that many are way below the level of development socially and academically that they should be for their age. Of course, there are other factors involved, it being a deprived area and the school having issues with staffing, but the following does suggest the pandemic has had an effect especially on young children, which would appear to the chime with the anecdotal evidence of my daughter's experience.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/apr/04/pandemic-has-delayed-social-skil
EDIT: one particular issue many of the children have is a lack of concentration for proper learning, and maybe this has been affected by being placed at an early age in front of a tablet for large parts of the pandemic.
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Once again I can only speak from experience, but anyone questioning the damage to kids should remember that they were basically locked up in home for months. With no face yo face play, often in stressed out homes and also dealing with more death and illness in their lives than most of us ever had to handle at that age.
Time will tell how serious this is and I'm not questioning rhe policies that brought that situation, but do think it would be healthy for society to reflect and learn, for the next time. |  |
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| So the FBI say… on 18:37 - Mar 1 with 731 views | jaykay |
| So the FBI say… on 17:25 - Mar 1 by Mullet |
Just seen the asshole got banned by Phil. Apologies lads. |
don;t think he is banned mullet. one question i would like to ask you mullet of the 80000 home schooled kids in this country , do you think they will suffer with mental problems like as some say, the kids who missed school due to lock down |  |
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| So the FBI say… on 18:46 - Mar 1 with 698 views | DJR |
| So the FBI say… on 18:17 - Mar 1 by giant_stow |
Once again I can only speak from experience, but anyone questioning the damage to kids should remember that they were basically locked up in home for months. With no face yo face play, often in stressed out homes and also dealing with more death and illness in their lives than most of us ever had to handle at that age.
Time will tell how serious this is and I'm not questioning rhe policies that brought that situation, but do think it would be healthy for society to reflect and learn, for the next time. |
I think it also affected university students, including my daughter. She ended up sharing in her first year with some people she didn't really get on with but didn't really have the opportunity to get to know other people at the university (parties weren't allowed, lectures, if they took place, were socially distanced and societies were closed). As a result, she ended up sharing in her second with people on her course who she didn't really know and who turned out to be not the sort of people she would have wanted to share with. And I wouldn't really say she's made any really close friends at university which is a great shame.
I am sure I read something a while ago that suggested about a third of university students were lonely, something I am sure has something in part to do with the restrictions.
Of course, it's different for my son who went off to university last September. It's all back to party, party, party, which is just what you want when you start university. [Post edited 1 Mar 2023 19:51]
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| So the FBI say… on 19:18 - Mar 1 with 628 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So the FBI say… on 18:37 - Mar 1 by jaykay |
don;t think he is banned mullet. one question i would like to ask you mullet of the 80000 home schooled kids in this country , do you think they will suffer with mental problems like as some say, the kids who missed school due to lock down |
That’s probably a tricky one to answer as I suspect (only from limited experience) that having problems fitting in at school or learning difficulties is a major factor in the decision to homeschool. I know several who’ve seen it as a last resort to deal with a kid who have issues one way or the other. So that population could well be skewed towards having a different mental health profile to in-school kids. Maybe, just a guess.
On more concrete ground, the Govt’s own report into Covid mental health is an interesting read to get an overview of some of the impacts on young people. A lot of negatives, but also some reversals such as kids bouncing back quickly (that’s certainly what we found). Even some positives, such as younger kids being happier to spend more time at home with their parent(s). https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-mental-health-and-wellbeing-
Worth pointing out there’s lots of knowledge gaps and many causal relationships haven’t been proven. So early days working out how kids are affected and beware anyone claiming certainty. This will keep researchers going for years. |  |
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| So the FBI say… on 19:21 - Mar 1 with 619 views | Mullet |
| So the FBI say… on 18:37 - Mar 1 by jaykay |
don;t think he is banned mullet. one question i would like to ask you mullet of the 80000 home schooled kids in this country , do you think they will suffer with mental problems like as some say, the kids who missed school due to lock down |
It's impossible to say or quantify. I've no idea if there's any reliable research or ways to research that frankly.
Homeschooling is at best a bit Wild West in my experience. There are kids who of course are/were homeschooled because of mental health issues.
Two of my former pupils killed themselves, another was murdered in and around the restriction periods. I've no idea how much was due to lockdown and pre-existing problems they displayed before it. It'd be crass to speculate.
Since returning to school, behaviour nationally has been a huge problem which despite the news coverage of individual schools and incidents isn't getting covered holistically and it seems no one wants to discuss the role of parents either.
"Yeah but Covid" seems to be a sticking plaster for all manner of ills in society now and a cheap ticket out of responsibility for others too. There's also been a lot of quick and easy self-diagnosis which doesn't help - when behaviour is challenged MH is given as an excuse not an explanation far too often in my experience.
As for the homeschool environment it entirely depends what the norm was as with any school. Unfortunately all kinds safeguarding issues took place due to lockdown because it provided opportunity etc. | |
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| So the FBI say… on 19:22 - Mar 1 with 604 views | Mullet |
| So the FBI say… on 17:29 - Mar 1 by Churchman |
No need to apologise whatsoever Mullet - after NHS, ambulance crews etc, you were at the sharp end of risk doing what you do. |
Cheers. I'd not put myself or my colleagues anywhere near, unfortunately I had far too many hospital visits during restrictions for family reasons and was blown away by the staff. | |
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| So the FBI say… on 19:23 - Mar 1 with 597 views | MattinLondon |
| So the FBI say… on 17:23 - Mar 1 by Churchman |
In what way, if you don’t mind me asking? I am actually interested. Is there anything that can be done about it? |
My youngest, at the start of lockdown was around two and then he was lively and very loud at baby groups etc. However when things opened up again we found him to be very quiet amongst strangers and always preferred to be at home rather than at home. Maybe this is more behavioural rather than mental health. Gradually he has returned to his pre-lockdown settings but it was a long process.
My eldest who was in reception has proven to be a lot more resilient and we haven’t noticed any change. The other day he mentioned that he can’t remember being taught at home/ online etc which surprised me but maybe that’s not a bad thing. |  | | |
| So the FBI say… on 19:33 - Mar 1 with 518 views | DJR |
| So the FBI say… on 18:46 - Mar 1 by DJR |
I think it also affected university students, including my daughter. She ended up sharing in her first year with some people she didn't really get on with but didn't really have the opportunity to get to know other people at the university (parties weren't allowed, lectures, if they took place, were socially distanced and societies were closed). As a result, she ended up sharing in her second with people on her course who she didn't really know and who turned out to be not the sort of people she would have wanted to share with. And I wouldn't really say she's made any really close friends at university which is a great shame.
I am sure I read something a while ago that suggested about a third of university students were lonely, something I am sure has something in part to do with the restrictions.
Of course, it's different for my son who went off to university last September. It's all back to party, party, party, which is just what you want when you start university. [Post edited 1 Mar 2023 19:51]
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Working from home has also to be taken into account. It can't be much fun for many young people, or many single people of any age, who have to work from home, if they'd really prefer to be in work for social and other reasons. [Post edited 1 Mar 2023 19:41]
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