| Frimley/Burns 10:13 - Feb 13 with 16915 views | PhilTWTD |
I'm delighted to let the forum know that, following a cordial exchange of emails, viewpoints and apologies, the matter has now been resolved amicably between Frimley and Wes's dad, David, and a line has been drawn under it by all parties.
I think there was a bit of naivity from Frimley on the impact his posts might have - which I think all of us can be guilty of at times - of which he is now more acutely aware, while the rather unpleasant Instagram post at the weekend I think was the catalyst for the release of a few understandable frustrations.
Perhaps the rest of us can now move on from the matter and put it behind us, as they have, while remaining conscious that there are families behind players who may be reading posts on here and on social media. |  | | |  |
| Frimley/Burns on 14:12 - Feb 13 with 2372 views | bluelagos |
| Frimley/Burns on 13:58 - Feb 13 by PhilTWTD |
I think if there's a bit of a change in terms of volume of posts and a bit more thought and consideration, then I don't have a problem. David Burns asked if he could be allowed back.
But I don't see this as just mine, Gav (and Mark)'s forum, it is the users' as well, so would be interested in others' thoughts. Some I know are not going to be entirely receptive to the suggestion. |
Honest opinion - "Frimmers as was" defo not to my liking.
How about a post cap? Max of 10 a day?
Not sure if that's possible but would also maybe focus him on what he posts rather than the scatter gun comment on everything which can be a bit much. |  |
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| Frimley/Burns on 14:17 - Feb 13 with 2351 views | oldbeardy |
| Frimley/Burns on 13:58 - Feb 13 by PhilTWTD |
I think if there's a bit of a change in terms of volume of posts and a bit more thought and consideration, then I don't have a problem. David Burns asked if he could be allowed back.
But I don't see this as just mine, Gav (and Mark)'s forum, it is the users' as well, so would be interested in others' thoughts. Some I know are not going to be entirely receptive to the suggestion. |
Let him back - he's done the right thing in playing his part to resolve it |  | | |
| Frimley/Burns on 14:18 - Feb 13 with 2345 views | Yallop2 |
| Frimley/Burns on 13:58 - Feb 13 by PhilTWTD |
I think if there's a bit of a change in terms of volume of posts and a bit more thought and consideration, then I don't have a problem. David Burns asked if he could be allowed back.
But I don't see this as just mine, Gav (and Mark)'s forum, it is the users' as well, so would be interested in others' thoughts. Some I know are not going to be entirely receptive to the suggestion. |
I'd give him the rest of the season off then if he still wants to come back give him a run out pre season by which time he's hopefully he's grown up and become a bit more self aware. |  | | |
| Frimley/Burns on 14:18 - Feb 13 with 2341 views | hoppy |
| Frimley/Burns on 14:12 - Feb 13 by SenatorBlue |
My particular favourites are when a typo leads to an 18 pager of tenuous links, in some cases the work of creative genius. |
 Can't think of that ever happening... |  |
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| Frimley/Burns on 14:22 - Feb 13 with 2337 views | N2_Blue |
I think he should be allowed back but only if heeds advice from you regarding his posting.
I say a 2 week cooling off period as suggested elsewhere - although perhaps maybe he could come back at 9.45 tomorrow night after Wes has bagged a hatrick  |  |
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| Frimley/Burns on 14:23 - Feb 13 with 2328 views | TresBonne |
| Frimley/Burns on 13:58 - Feb 13 by PhilTWTD |
I think if there's a bit of a change in terms of volume of posts and a bit more thought and consideration, then I don't have a problem. David Burns asked if he could be allowed back.
But I don't see this as just mine, Gav (and Mark)'s forum, it is the users' as well, so would be interested in others' thoughts. Some I know are not going to be entirely receptive to the suggestion. |
Personally I don't really mind, I didn't agree with a lot of what he put but he's just another fan with an opinion really (not that I'm that active of a poster tbf).
That being said, like you say a bit more thought and consideration possibly needed sometimes |  | | |
| Frimley/Burns on 14:47 - Feb 13 with 2277 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Frimley/Burns on 14:04 - Feb 13 by GeoffSentence |
I'm in the let him back camp.
Would also require some other posters to have a reset and not just attack him for being him. |
Can't speak for everyone, but for my own part I always addressed what he actually wrote rather than 'played the man'. In fact from what I saw that was most of it (he liked to claim people were playing the man as a form of defence, but for the most part it was the content of his posts people took umbrage to). |  |
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| Frimley/Burns on 14:51 - Feb 13 with 2243 views | davblue |
| Frimley/Burns on 13:58 - Feb 13 by PhilTWTD |
I think if there's a bit of a change in terms of volume of posts and a bit more thought and consideration, then I don't have a problem. David Burns asked if he could be allowed back.
But I don't see this as just mine, Gav (and Mark)'s forum, it is the users' as well, so would be interested in others' thoughts. Some I know are not going to be entirely receptive to the suggestion. |
i personally wouldn't miss him and he has contributed to me not spending or posting as much on here but that's on me. The drivel did make threads incredibly hard to read with him on ignore at times.
But who am i to say if he should be allowed to comeback or not, it's his forum as much as mine. |  | | |
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| Frimley/Burns on 14:54 - Feb 13 with 2219 views | hype313 |
| Frimley/Burns on 13:58 - Feb 13 by PhilTWTD |
I think if there's a bit of a change in terms of volume of posts and a bit more thought and consideration, then I don't have a problem. David Burns asked if he could be allowed back.
But I don't see this as just mine, Gav (and Mark)'s forum, it is the users' as well, so would be interested in others' thoughts. Some I know are not going to be entirely receptive to the suggestion. |
I think a bit of time away would actually do him some good, a bit of self reflection on his part might make him comeback a bit wiser.
I guarantee within 5 minutes of you reinstating him, your inbox will be lighting up like London on NYE.
Give yourself a break if nothing else. |  |
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| Frimley/Burns on 14:55 - Feb 13 with 2214 views | DJR |
| Frimley/Burns on 13:58 - Feb 13 by PhilTWTD |
I think if there's a bit of a change in terms of volume of posts and a bit more thought and consideration, then I don't have a problem. David Burns asked if he could be allowed back.
But I don't see this as just mine, Gav (and Mark)'s forum, it is the users' as well, so would be interested in others' thoughts. Some I know are not going to be entirely receptive to the suggestion. |
I would let him back.
I never had an issue with what he posted. If I disagreed, I would either ignore it, or post something constructive in response. But that is what I try to do in the case of all posters, however much I may disagree.
In this, I take my steer from a quote in what was intended to be the preface to Animal Farm.
"If liberty means anything at all it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." [Post edited 13 Feb 2024 14:57]
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| Let him back.... on 14:57 - Feb 13 with 2186 views | NeedhamChris |
| Let him back.... on 14:09 - Feb 13 by Bloots |
....he's quite easily ignored if they don't like his views.
Posters should be mature enough to deal with sharing the forum with people they disagree with/don't get on with.
As long as he reduces the number of posts then I don't really see what he's done wrong, there's far worse than him that still post on here.
But you're in charge ultimately. |
Agree with this.
I'd be keen to see those who provoke constantly being treated with the same focus - won't name names but there are some who Badger on about everyone they disagree with being "a **** Frimmers tribute" act at every opportunity - which I don't think is overly helpful either. | |
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| Frimley/Burns on 15:00 - Feb 13 with 2164 views | NeedhamChris |
| Frimley/Burns on 13:58 - Feb 13 by PhilTWTD |
I think if there's a bit of a change in terms of volume of posts and a bit more thought and consideration, then I don't have a problem. David Burns asked if he could be allowed back.
But I don't see this as just mine, Gav (and Mark)'s forum, it is the users' as well, so would be interested in others' thoughts. Some I know are not going to be entirely receptive to the suggestion. |
This isn't a criticism (although I'm sure some will see it as one) - it feels like effectively this is a commercial decision now rather than a moral one? | |
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| Frimley/Burns on 15:02 - Feb 13 with 2142 views | PJH |
| Frimley/Burns on 14:51 - Feb 13 by davblue |
i personally wouldn't miss him and he has contributed to me not spending or posting as much on here but that's on me. The drivel did make threads incredibly hard to read with him on ignore at times.
But who am i to say if he should be allowed to comeback or not, it's his forum as much as mine. |
Makin/Frimley is the reason that I rarely post on here and I would like his absence to become permanent, but I do not doubt that he will be back soon.
My next post is likely to be on April 28th. |  | | |
| Let him back.... on 15:05 - Feb 13 with 2121 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Let him back.... on 14:09 - Feb 13 by Bloots |
....he's quite easily ignored if they don't like his views.
Posters should be mature enough to deal with sharing the forum with people they disagree with/don't get on with.
As long as he reduces the number of posts then I don't really see what he's done wrong, there's far worse than him that still post on here.
But you're in charge ultimately. |
This.
I also didn't think he was banned, but he took himself away from the forum so it would be down to him to want to come back.
He does have to make his profile picture Wes as a permanent reminder though. |  | | |
| There are basically 4 types of posters.... on 15:07 - Feb 13 with 2113 views | Bloots |
| Let him back.... on 14:57 - Feb 13 by NeedhamChris |
Agree with this.
I'd be keen to see those who provoke constantly being treated with the same focus - won't name names but there are some who Badger on about everyone they disagree with being "a **** Frimmers tribute" act at every opportunity - which I don't think is overly helpful either. |
....when it comes to dealing with Frimmers.
1. Those that just ignore him (sensible)
2. Those that engage in discussions with him (madmen)
3. Those that just respond negatively to whatever he types, and end up clogging up the board more than even he does (argument seeking bullies)
4. Those that bring him up on threads that he hasn't even contributed to and then moan when he responds (obsessive weirdos)
Those in groups 3 and 4 need to sharpen up and take some responsibility as well. |  |
| "The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025) |
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| Frimley/Burns on 15:08 - Feb 13 with 2103 views | Dubtractor |
| Frimley/Burns on 14:12 - Feb 13 by bluelagos |
Honest opinion - "Frimmers as was" defo not to my liking.
How about a post cap? Max of 10 a day?
Not sure if that's possible but would also maybe focus him on what he posts rather than the scatter gun comment on everything which can be a bit much. |
I was going to suggest a post rationed return too. Make him choose his comments more wisely!
Not a fan of him being banned for being over opinionated, but did find his flooding of the forum somewhat annoying. |  |
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| I think he resigned.... on 15:08 - Feb 13 with 2089 views | Bloots |
| Let him back.... on 15:05 - Feb 13 by ElderGrizzly |
This.
I also didn't think he was banned, but he took himself away from the forum so it would be down to him to want to come back.
He does have to make his profile picture Wes as a permanent reminder though. |
....and then Phil kicked his head in as he left the room. | |
| "The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025) |
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| Frimley/Burns on 15:12 - Feb 13 with 2058 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Frimley/Burns on 13:58 - Feb 13 by PhilTWTD |
I think if there's a bit of a change in terms of volume of posts and a bit more thought and consideration, then I don't have a problem. David Burns asked if he could be allowed back.
But I don't see this as just mine, Gav (and Mark)'s forum, it is the users' as well, so would be interested in others' thoughts. Some I know are not going to be entirely receptive to the suggestion. |
Thanks Phil, I've always seen this as my forum which I just let you, Gav (and Mark) monitor for me! |  |
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| I think he resigned.... on 15:14 - Feb 13 with 2045 views | ElderGrizzly |
| I think he resigned.... on 15:08 - Feb 13 by Bloots |
....and then Phil kicked his head in as he left the room. |
Ah. The Netanyahu approach | | | |
| Let him back.... on 15:18 - Feb 13 with 2035 views | LankHenners |
| Let him back.... on 14:09 - Feb 13 by Bloots |
....he's quite easily ignored if they don't like his views.
Posters should be mature enough to deal with sharing the forum with people they disagree with/don't get on with.
As long as he reduces the number of posts then I don't really see what he's done wrong, there's far worse than him that still post on here.
But you're in charge ultimately. |
Other banned posters seem to have been given an extended break before being allowed back then swiftly removed again if they return to their old ways which I think is fair enough as a general rule.
Have to say I think reducing the issue in this case to simply people not arguing 'properly' a bit (well, very) disingenuous.
For example I never really felt comfortable with him being allowed on here after his multiple posts mocking mental health, using it as a stick to beat people and going as far as to infer that people calling the Samaritans helpline are 'attention seekers'. For my money that crosses a line that shouldn't easily be able to be crossed back.
Not bringing that up for the sake of stirring an old argument but think it puts things in better context rather than just talking about him like he was a bit of a div that posted too much.
If you applied the 'you can just ignore them' excuse to everyone you might as well let everyone who's been banned back and that obviously won't go down well. |  |
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| There are basically 4 types of posters.... on 15:26 - Feb 13 with 1980 views | Ryorry |
| There are basically 4 types of posters.... on 15:07 - Feb 13 by Bloots |
....when it comes to dealing with Frimmers.
1. Those that just ignore him (sensible)
2. Those that engage in discussions with him (madmen)
3. Those that just respond negatively to whatever he types, and end up clogging up the board more than even he does (argument seeking bullies)
4. Those that bring him up on threads that he hasn't even contributed to and then moan when he responds (obsessive weirdos)
Those in groups 3 and 4 need to sharpen up and take some responsibility as well. |
You left out a 5th category - people who try to ignore him, would like to, but can't because he's on such a large number of threads that reading them with his contributions blanked out makes those many threads completely unfathomable. |  |
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| There are basically 4 types of posters.... on 15:32 - Feb 13 with 1955 views | blueasfook |
| There are basically 4 types of posters.... on 15:26 - Feb 13 by Ryorry |
You left out a 5th category - people who try to ignore him, would like to, but can't because he's on such a large number of threads that reading them with his contributions blanked out makes those many threads completely unfathomable. |
I managed to not get wound up by him. You have to actually click on a post to read what's inside it. I have this genius method of not clicking on his posts. I only have one poster on ignore, and that's purely because they were following me around and becoming annoying. |  |
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| Let him back.... on 15:38 - Feb 13 with 1906 views | NeedhamChris |
| Let him back.... on 15:18 - Feb 13 by LankHenners |
Other banned posters seem to have been given an extended break before being allowed back then swiftly removed again if they return to their old ways which I think is fair enough as a general rule.
Have to say I think reducing the issue in this case to simply people not arguing 'properly' a bit (well, very) disingenuous.
For example I never really felt comfortable with him being allowed on here after his multiple posts mocking mental health, using it as a stick to beat people and going as far as to infer that people calling the Samaritans helpline are 'attention seekers'. For my money that crosses a line that shouldn't easily be able to be crossed back.
Not bringing that up for the sake of stirring an old argument but think it puts things in better context rather than just talking about him like he was a bit of a div that posted too much.
If you applied the 'you can just ignore them' excuse to everyone you might as well let everyone who's been banned back and that obviously won't go down well. |
Be careful, you're creeping into "Never seen anyone devote so much energy towards another poster" levels... | |
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| There are basically 4 types of posters.... on 15:38 - Feb 13 with 1908 views | hoppy |
| There are basically 4 types of posters.... on 15:32 - Feb 13 by blueasfook |
I managed to not get wound up by him. You have to actually click on a post to read what's inside it. I have this genius method of not clicking on his posts. I only have one poster on ignore, and that's purely because they were following me around and becoming annoying. |
Or if you use the more sensible 'table view' you can open a thread, and then just skim read through the whole thing, without having to click on each individual post... which means if there is a poster you rarely gain anything insightful from and think you've wasted your time reading it, just skim past it without reading. It's not an effort to read a thread like that - I never understand people that defend thread view because they don't seem to have the capacity to do that... but maybe that's just me? | |
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| There are basically 4 types of posters.... on 15:39 - Feb 13 with 1904 views | Ryorry |
| There are basically 4 types of posters.... on 15:32 - Feb 13 by blueasfook |
I managed to not get wound up by him. You have to actually click on a post to read what's inside it. I have this genius method of not clicking on his posts. I only have one poster on ignore, and that's purely because they were following me around and becoming annoying. |
No, you'd have to ignore dozens of threads started by others on match days (which obviously most people don't want to do as it's the primary purpose of the forum that day) - to ignore Frimmers' posts. Or if you'd put him on ignore, they'd make little or no sense because of the blanks. | |
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