| How is Sunak so bad at this? 22:39 - Jun 6 with 10561 views | Dubtractor |
Imagine thinking that leaving the D Day event early, so that you can get on the TV do do an interview about not being a liar, and not considering just how bad that looks?
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 08:47 - Jun 7 with 1641 views | nrb1985 |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 07:28 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue |
If the men in grey suits still existed they would be paying him a visit this evening. |
I have some, but still limited, ITK knowledge on this subject.
They did pay him a visit, the day before he called the election in fact, according to a friend familiar with such things.
That's why the election was called with such odd timing, they told him the day before they had enough letters to trigger no confidence (allegedly). |  | | |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 08:53 - Jun 7 with 1612 views | WeWereZombies |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 07:46 - Jun 7 by Churchman |
Which is why it was a dopey choice of coat, given that even then perception was all important.
Such an intelligent man, I don’t think Michael Foot paid much attention to sartorial elegance and certainly meant nothing by it. But it did stick with him.
This will stick with Sunak for the little time the runt has left and deservedly so. Foot’s dress error is nothing to Sunak prioritising electioneering over the DDay anniversary. |
But it wasn't, by the Queen Mother's judgement, a dopey choice of coat. And perception also relies upon information and experience as well as the visual input. Sadly that reflects far more poorly upon those who read and believe the gutter press and satirists (who should not intend to be taken in full seriousness in the first place) than on Michael Foot (who, as a non-combatant, may well have felt that it was not his place to fully engage with the ceremonial aspects of dress.) |  |
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 08:55 - Jun 7 with 1607 views | DJR |
I would have thought that much of the blame for his travails must rest with Sunak's advisers.
Indeed, whilst Isaac Levido was the mastermind behind the 2019 victory, it's clear he has lost his touch, and Sunak should be demanding his money back. [Post edited 7 Jun 2024 9:03]
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 08:56 - Jun 7 with 1597 views | Steve_M |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 08:34 - Jun 7 by bluelagos |
She got battered for proposing a policy that would cap care home costs and protect people's homes.
Rejected by the media and voters alike we now have no cap and could all face costs of around £75k a year for care.
Sometimes our politics is utterly bewildering. |
I think it was more the announcement not being trailed with friendly media, followed by walking it back that was the problem more than the policy. That and being so inscrutably wooden in interviews whilst Corbyn seemed to be so far from power that voting for him has no risk. |  |
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 08:58 - Jun 7 with 1576 views | NthQldITFC |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 07:17 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue |
I’m old enough to remember the outrage at a Michael Foot wearing what the press referred to as a Donkey jacket at the cenotaph in 1981. He was portrayed as disloyal and disrespectful of those who died in the war.
Now magnify that by 1,000,000. Wouldn’t be surprised if there aren’t calls within the Tory party for him to resign as leader. Either way, he’ll be on the six o’clock news tonight offering a. Humble apology but this is going to follow him around the campaign. Farage will be all over it. [Post edited 7 Jun 2024 7:26]
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I shouldn't imagine Cameron is too chuffed to have been left filling the tiny little massive gap left by Sunak either. He really ought to resign too and destroy any vestiges of support in blue rinse Britain that he still props up from the good ol' days (sic) of the T*ry party. |  |
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:00 - Jun 7 with 1561 views | StokieBlue |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 07:34 - Jun 7 by bluelagos |
Reform start polling ahead of the Tories and am guessing the discontent will start to be much louder.
An utter sh1tshow of a campaign so far. |
Suspect that might happen from tomorrow after the debate.
The Tories will be useless and Farage will say a lot that sounds good to some people but that they won't fact check.
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:00 - Jun 7 with 1554 views | itfcjoe |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 08:17 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue |
He’s going to need to go in front of a camera. |
Can't even complete one day of National Service |  |
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:24 - Jun 7 with 1504 views | Guthrum |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 08:55 - Jun 7 by DJR |
I would have thought that much of the blame for his travails must rest with Sunak's advisers.
Indeed, whilst Isaac Levido was the mastermind behind the 2019 victory, it's clear he has lost his touch, and Sunak should be demanding his money back. [Post edited 7 Jun 2024 9:03]
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The 2019 victory was somewhat like taking candy from a baby.
Parliament was deadlocked on an issue which caused a great deal of public anger (for or against, with a whole spectrum of opinions on either side). The charismatic Boris Johnson was still in his honeymoon period (tho beginning to sour with the Prorogation Scandal). Jeremy Corbyn, already a divisive figure, had been comprehensively demolished in the press and was notably fudging on the biggest issue of the day, Brexit. Plus he was not a dynamic campaigner, there was fighting between wings of the Labour Party and allegations of antisemitism swirling around. Also they'd failed to take advantage of a poor Conservative campaign just two years previously.
All that should have delivered a Conservative majority without much effort whatsoever. 80 seats was not really a remarkable achievement in such circumstances, but attributed to the skill of people (Johnson, Levido), rather than the situation. |  |
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:25 - Jun 7 with 1499 views | Pendejo |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 08:42 - Jun 7 by vilanovablue |
It's as if he's trying to destroy the Tory party, or maybe his advisers are. |
're advisors
Was thinking this myself, wonder if they've got a mile sabotaging them from the inside and they're so (insert adjective of choice here) they just can't recognise it as such. |  |
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:27 - Jun 7 with 1494 views | DanTheMan |
The immediate attack line is going to be about how he's proposing kids do national service whilst he can't spend more than a few hours honouring the dead.
As you say, he's so damn bad. It looks like he arranged this as well, it's not like ITV only had this slot. Even more stupidly, this interview doesn't go out until next week! |  |
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:30 - Jun 7 with 1474 views | Guthrum |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:27 - Jun 7 by DanTheMan |
The immediate attack line is going to be about how he's proposing kids do national service whilst he can't spend more than a few hours honouring the dead.
As you say, he's so damn bad. It looks like he arranged this as well, it's not like ITV only had this slot. Even more stupidly, this interview doesn't go out until next week! |
If it goes out at all.
Imagine if Sunak spent half the interview waffling about how honoured he was to be at the Normandy commemoration in the now-public context of leaving early to give it. | |
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:32 - Jun 7 with 1460 views | giant_stow |
does anyone know roughly how high a proportion of the vote, Reform would need to start taking seats? |  |
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:39 - Jun 7 with 1412 views | jas0999 |
Absolutely disgraceful and disrespectful. | | | |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:39 - Jun 7 with 1410 views | bobbyramsey |
Another glorious "own goal."
I'll take that ;-) |  | | |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:40 - Jun 7 with 1409 views | lowhouseblue |
he may be marginally better than his minister for children:
"Nick Ferrari asked him “Just for my listeners who are not familiar … how much is child allowance?”
Johnston replied “That I’m afraid I don’t know. It’s actually not a department for education policy. This is a DWP one. And I’m afraid I don’t know the exact …”
Ferrari interrupted saying “Sorry, is you title minister for children? But you don’t know what the child allowance is”
Johnston said sheepishly “Well we don’t run the benefits. I’m afraid you’re right. I should have found out before I came on here.” " |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:44 - Jun 7 with 1375 views | Hogger |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:40 - Jun 7 by lowhouseblue |
he may be marginally better than his minister for children:
"Nick Ferrari asked him “Just for my listeners who are not familiar … how much is child allowance?”
Johnston replied “That I’m afraid I don’t know. It’s actually not a department for education policy. This is a DWP one. And I’m afraid I don’t know the exact …”
Ferrari interrupted saying “Sorry, is you title minister for children? But you don’t know what the child allowance is”
Johnston said sheepishly “Well we don’t run the benefits. I’m afraid you’re right. I should have found out before I came on here.” " |
Just heard that - excruciating | | | |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:44 - Jun 7 with 1369 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:40 - Jun 7 by lowhouseblue |
he may be marginally better than his minister for children:
"Nick Ferrari asked him “Just for my listeners who are not familiar … how much is child allowance?”
Johnston replied “That I’m afraid I don’t know. It’s actually not a department for education policy. This is a DWP one. And I’m afraid I don’t know the exact …”
Ferrari interrupted saying “Sorry, is you title minister for children? But you don’t know what the child allowance is”
Johnston said sheepishly “Well we don’t run the benefits. I’m afraid you’re right. I should have found out before I came on here.” " |
That is a rarity. A tory giving an honest answer and not waffling on about something completely different. |  |
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:47 - Jun 7 with 1332 views | Guthrum |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:44 - Jun 7 by Tangledupin_Blue |
That is a rarity. A tory giving an honest answer and not waffling on about something completely different. |
Disclaiming responsibility instead! | |
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:51 - Jun 7 with 1302 views | DJR |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:24 - Jun 7 by Guthrum |
The 2019 victory was somewhat like taking candy from a baby.
Parliament was deadlocked on an issue which caused a great deal of public anger (for or against, with a whole spectrum of opinions on either side). The charismatic Boris Johnson was still in his honeymoon period (tho beginning to sour with the Prorogation Scandal). Jeremy Corbyn, already a divisive figure, had been comprehensively demolished in the press and was notably fudging on the biggest issue of the day, Brexit. Plus he was not a dynamic campaigner, there was fighting between wings of the Labour Party and allegations of antisemitism swirling around. Also they'd failed to take advantage of a poor Conservative campaign just two years previously.
All that should have delivered a Conservative majority without much effort whatsoever. 80 seats was not really a remarkable achievement in such circumstances, but attributed to the skill of people (Johnson, Levido), rather than the situation. |
I suppose the 2017 election should have been a foregone conclusion too for pretty similar reasons, but it didn't work out that way, and some credit must be given for slogans like "Get Brexit Done" and "Oven Ready Deal", combined with keeping Johnson away from the media (eg. he shunned an interview with Andrew Neil) because they knew that he like Theresa May wasn't very good when it came to scrutiny. [Post edited 7 Jun 2024 9:52]
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:52 - Jun 7 with 1301 views | Meadowlark |
Just wondering about the pile-on because of this?
He's been a member and in charge of the most corrupt government in living memory. He's overseen a system that has handed billions to crooks and liars and has taken money back off them for favours. His government has virtually destroyed the NHS, made the railways a cash cow for investors and ruined it for passengers. They've plunged millions into poverty while profiting personally and raised personal taxes to a record level to pay for their perks. Not even mentioning the mayhem and disaster of Brexit.
But it's only now that he's a tvvat because he left a ceremony early??? |  | | |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:56 - Jun 7 with 1265 views | lowhouseblue |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:52 - Jun 7 by Meadowlark |
Just wondering about the pile-on because of this?
He's been a member and in charge of the most corrupt government in living memory. He's overseen a system that has handed billions to crooks and liars and has taken money back off them for favours. His government has virtually destroyed the NHS, made the railways a cash cow for investors and ruined it for passengers. They've plunged millions into poverty while profiting personally and raised personal taxes to a record level to pay for their perks. Not even mentioning the mayhem and disaster of Brexit.
But it's only now that he's a tvvat because he left a ceremony early??? |
you're absolutely right, up until now twtd had considered him broadly satisfactory ... ? | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:58 - Jun 7 with 1250 views | Ryorry |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 08:42 - Jun 7 by vilanovablue |
It's as if he's trying to destroy the Tory party, or maybe his advisers are. |
Ooh - a fifth column - love it! |  |
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:58 - Jun 7 with 1239 views | GeoffSentence |
Just heard on Sky News that "sources close to the PM" are saying that he wanted to skip the day altogether.
Obviously all unverified, and Rishi has denied it, but this is something to keep an eye on. |  |
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:59 - Jun 7 with 1221 views | giant_stow |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:58 - Jun 7 by Ryorry |
Ooh - a fifth column - love it! |
It seems daft innit, but there's been so many missteps and cockups, the thought keeps coming back. | |
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| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 10:01 - Jun 7 with 1183 views | DJR |
| How is Sunak so bad at this? on 09:52 - Jun 7 by Meadowlark |
Just wondering about the pile-on because of this?
He's been a member and in charge of the most corrupt government in living memory. He's overseen a system that has handed billions to crooks and liars and has taken money back off them for favours. His government has virtually destroyed the NHS, made the railways a cash cow for investors and ruined it for passengers. They've plunged millions into poverty while profiting personally and raised personal taxes to a record level to pay for their perks. Not even mentioning the mayhem and disaster of Brexit.
But it's only now that he's a tvvat because he left a ceremony early??? |
Let's not forget Cameron, Clegg, May, Johnson and Truss' role for the state we are in.
Cameron had a midas touch, and got away with it, but all of them (including Sunak) have been distinctly second rate.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/07/incoming-ministers-will | | | |
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