| Where does Morsy rank 09:32 - Sep 24 with 6293 views | Keno |
In the pantheon of great Ipswich captain and how would you actually rank them
Andy Nelson
Billy Baxter
Mick Mills
Terry Butcher
David Linighan
Jason De Vos
Matt Holland
Jim Magilton
Luke Chambers
Sam Morsy
have I missed anyone?
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| Where does Morsy rank on 09:34 - Sep 24 with 4577 views | brogansnose |
I'd Jason De Vos on the list. |  | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 09:34 - Sep 24 with 4575 views | nodge_blue |
Steve Sedgley?
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that is a joke btw.
the thing that links most of them is they were in a successful team. You could argue that Chambers was as good a captain as any in terms of his attitude and leadership and housing apprentices etc. [Post edited 24 Sep 2024 9:37]
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| Where does Morsy rank on 09:43 - Sep 24 with 4473 views | Keno |
| Where does Morsy rank on 09:34 - Sep 24 by brogansnose |
I'd Jason De Vos on the list. |
good call, and apologises for Big Jase for missing him off [Post edited 24 Sep 2024 9:43]
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| Where does Morsy rank on 09:54 - Sep 24 with 4405 views | monty_radio |
| Where does Morsy rank on 09:34 - Sep 24 by nodge_blue |
Steve Sedgley?
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that is a joke btw.
the thing that links most of them is they were in a successful team. You could argue that Chambers was as good a captain as any in terms of his attitude and leadership and housing apprentices etc. [Post edited 24 Sep 2024 9:37]
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Baxter, Butcher and Chambers all had periods where they were the guaranteed 7/8 out of 10 in a floundering team. I guess if you're comparing captaincy then the way the club is represented is as important as success. Zondervan was always a good leader too.
And then again, you have players like Stockwell, who I'm not sure captained for any length of time, if at all, but, on the field, always played a captain's part over many seasons. Yallop should also be on that list.Morsy is a strong actual candidate too, though, even if he's led the team through a more successful time because, often, he's made the difference that's produced the better result. [Post edited 24 Sep 2024 13:22]
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| Where does Morsy rank on 10:01 - Sep 24 with 4369 views | rolph61 |
Ian Atkins was also captain in the mid 1980s after the big names had left after Robson became England manager | | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 10:04 - Sep 24 with 4349 views | NthQldITFC |
Can't comment on the first two, and my memories of Micky Mills and Terry Butcher are pretty hazy, but I'm gonna go:
1. Mills
2=. Holland & Morsy
4. Chambers
5. Magilton
But it's really difficult to do it on captaincy alone because you naturally take into account the quality of the team. I've put Chambers right up there for an extended period leading a mostly poor team.
On the same basis, you might say Mills had such a good team to lead that his captaincy wasn't necessarily exceptional, and that Morsy in particular and also Holland captained a team through a period of major improvement.
If you really look at it that way, there's a pretty strong argument that Samy is number 1 - he's certainly someone I'd want leading me in any situation. |  |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 10:08 - Sep 24 with 4302 views | Lord_Lucan |
Geraint Williams.
Definite info! |  |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 10:13 - Sep 24 with 4251 views | DarkBrandon |
I’d put Morsy very close to the top of that list. He is an outstanding captain.
Did Mowbray ever captain us, or was that always Holland? Mowbray was a real leader, and I remember his guiding both Brown and Bramble through their first few games. |  | | |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 10:20 - Sep 24 with 4202 views | Keno |
| Where does Morsy rank on 10:13 - Sep 24 by DarkBrandon |
I’d put Morsy very close to the top of that list. He is an outstanding captain.
Did Mowbray ever captain us, or was that always Holland? Mowbray was a real leader, and I remember his guiding both Brown and Bramble through their first few games. |
I wondered about Mowbray but did come up on the list I used | |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 10:32 - Sep 24 with 4128 views | dirtyboy |
Matt Holland is still my top.
Led us to promotion at the fourth attempt and then took us to 5th in the Premier League against all odds.
Stayed with us that year after too.
So many similarties with Morsy, some vital goals, never giving up.
And from what we see now, obviously very well respected and invovled in so much more after his footballing career.
Still love Chambers. Right person, wrong time....guy had a fantastic career still. |  | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 10:48 - Sep 24 with 4054 views | Churchman |
Ahh the full list. My top five I can properly remember, based on nothing more than gut feel, are:
1. Mills
2. Morsy
3. Holland
4. Linighan
5. De Vos
There are some good uns there though, particularly Chambers and Williams. Going further back in time in no particular order, the following made a huge contribution to our history.
Parker
McLuckie
Nelson
Baxter |  | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 10:53 - Sep 24 with 4015 views | NthQldITFC |
| Where does Morsy rank on 10:48 - Sep 24 by Churchman |
Ahh the full list. My top five I can properly remember, based on nothing more than gut feel, are:
1. Mills
2. Morsy
3. Holland
4. Linighan
5. De Vos
There are some good uns there though, particularly Chambers and Williams. Going further back in time in no particular order, the following made a huge contribution to our history.
Parker
McLuckie
Nelson
Baxter |
Quite a few Leeds and Leicester fans were labouring under the misapprehension that we still had McLuckie as captain last season (and McDeflection as vice captain). One or two Saints fans still are. | |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 11:37 - Sep 24 with 3862 views | Reus30 |
Recency bias plays a part here and Sam is a legend in his own right.
Got to be Holland for me and I don't think he wanted to leave at the time either but was forced due to admin... He would have been here until his was done I think.
Shout out to JDV too. Some defender he was.
I did LOL when reading that list of captains. Forgot about Carlos and Norris. Strange times. |  | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 11:40 - Sep 24 with 3844 views | Sharkey |
Still Zondervan. His moustache was just that little bit more flamboyant than Mills's, - cavalry officer as opposed to sergeant-major. |  | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 11:41 - Sep 24 with 3841 views | bsw72 |
| Where does Morsy rank on 10:32 - Sep 24 by dirtyboy |
Matt Holland is still my top.
Led us to promotion at the fourth attempt and then took us to 5th in the Premier League against all odds.
Stayed with us that year after too.
So many similarties with Morsy, some vital goals, never giving up.
And from what we see now, obviously very well respected and invovled in so much more after his footballing career.
Still love Chambers. Right person, wrong time....guy had a fantastic career still. |
I liked Holland, but was never convinced he had that grit when things were not going our way on the pitch in the way that Morsy has, or the likes of Butcher, De Vos and Linighan had. Was always just too nice a bloke.
All very subjective though. |  | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 11:41 - Sep 24 with 3834 views | textbackup |
For me…
1 - Morsy
2 - Holland
3 - Jim
4 - de vos
5 - Mogga (stood in a few times)
Morsy has only just over taken Holland I might add, I never thought I’d see Holland’s place questioned, let alone taken.
Don’t remember anyone pre Holland really, and anyone else that’s worn it isn’t close to that top 5 (leadboots etc) [Post edited 24 Sep 2024 11:43]
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| Where does Morsy rank on 12:01 - Sep 24 with 3730 views | DBaldy |
Interesting stat from that link is that we had a different captain for 6 consecutive seasons from 2008/09. | | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 12:06 - Sep 24 with 3689 views | backwaywhen |
| Where does Morsy rank on 10:04 - Sep 24 by NthQldITFC |
Can't comment on the first two, and my memories of Micky Mills and Terry Butcher are pretty hazy, but I'm gonna go:
1. Mills
2=. Holland & Morsy
4. Chambers
5. Magilton
But it's really difficult to do it on captaincy alone because you naturally take into account the quality of the team. I've put Chambers right up there for an extended period leading a mostly poor team.
On the same basis, you might say Mills had such a good team to lead that his captaincy wasn't necessarily exceptional, and that Morsy in particular and also Holland captained a team through a period of major improvement.
If you really look at it that way, there's a pretty strong argument that Samy is number 1 - he's certainly someone I'd want leading me in any situation. |
That’s a great top 5 agree with that 100%. | | | |
| It will always be Holland for me. on 12:29 - Sep 24 with 3561 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
But I think that's partly because I was a teenager when he was captain, I looked up to him and aspired to be like him. I think football is more magical when you are a kid / teenager, and for that reason Holland and Burley will probably always be my fave player and manager.
Morsy has been incredible, and its hard to choose between him and Holland, the fact that its even a conversation is testament to Morsy.
A word for Luke Chambers. I think he was a remarkable captain in a very dire time for the club, he had a much different challenge to Holland or Morsy and brought very different strengths to the job. |  |
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| Got to be Mills. on 12:33 - Sep 24 with 3534 views | Scuzzer |
FA and UEFA Cups |  |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 12:36 - Sep 24 with 3525 views | dirtyboy |
I think we need to create some criteria.
If you were drunk and your wife wanted sex with you, and one of these captains just so happened to be in the room with you, which one would you want there?
I think Holland would tuck you up in bed and then simply sit by the bedside consoling your wife with kind words and she'd simply forget the whole episode ever happened. You'd wake, there'd be toast and orange juice on the bedside table and a note saying "see you at training for 10 champ".
Magilton will be shouting at you from a safe distance, pointing in various directions, always calm but that firm Northern Irish accent having enough edge to know he means business....ultimately, i'd probably flounder adnt the player manager would sub himself in to finish the job.
Chambers would rally, he'd really be great, but I feel my performance would be under par, through no fault of his, but simply because i'm not good enough, he'd then give her written instructions with additional resources to finish the job herself, before fist pumping her at the very end after what was a dire effort, but he could celebrate a great final few moments.
Morsy would be dragging me on the bed, softly spoken but with enough agression detected to know if I didn't perk up, i'd be taking a hit pretty soon, knowing my lack of ability, he'd probably take a deep breath and take his finger and thumb to guide me to my target, dragging this wet lump of lard to the very end of what I was physically capable of before applauding my achievement and making me feel like a million dollars.
Mick Mills i'm not sure on, don't remember him as a captain, but having listened to him on the radio, I suspect he'd spend a good two hours telling my wife how bad I was and she needed to bring in more quality earlier on. | | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 13:02 - Sep 24 with 3425 views | mutters |
Geraint Williams was captain for a bit? |  |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 13:07 - Sep 24 with 3374 views | Churchman |
| Where does Morsy rank on 13:02 - Sep 24 by mutters |
Geraint Williams was captain for a bit? |
About four seasons according to Pride of Anglia link above. He was a good one too. | | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 13:11 - Sep 24 with 3350 views | muhrensleftfoot |
Surely has to be Mick Mills number one. He was captain from a young age, all through the successful Bobby Robson era. Without google checking it, I'd be surprised if any others had more appearances than him as captain. Always at least a 7/10 player, either right back, left back or in midfield. Furthermore captained England in World Cup finals.
Morsy would be well up that list, maybe behind Matt Holland, but only just. Even older fans than me may think Billy Baxter or Andy Nelson ahead of Morsy. |  | | |
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