| Constantly blaming officials 08:42 - Nov 5 with 9707 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
Every week it is always the officials fault. Every game we have lost or drawn this season, I've read that it is because of the referee or VAR.
The red card on Saturday was definitely a second yellow offence. The red card last week at Brentford was two yellow card offences. We are not being robbed or anything like that.
But no one talks about the missed chances - O'Shea for example Saturday, 3 yards out free header, wide of the target... golden chance. Jack Clarke vs Everton etc.
No one talks about McKenna holding back the Cajuste sub when he had the chance to put him on with Clarke and Hirst and then 2mins later we are down to 10 men - last season, that change is made on the 60th min. It was a poor decision in hindsight. He doesn't get much wrong, but he got this totally wrong.
The equaliser Saturday, can Morsy kick that ball wherever he wants? Yes, but he loses it cheaply looking for a free kick. Then Burns is weak and gets bullied, but he could foul the lad etc. 10 seconds later, it's in our net. 2 points dropped in a massive home game.
It's always the officials fault if you turn a blind eye to the players/management and choose the scapegoat which are the officials. In truth, it's a reality check for most that we are in a league where we will lose more games than we will win, unfortunately we just lack the quality that is needed at this level. They've been brilliant on the whole this season, I don't think they can give much more, but they're coming up short and we're just not used to it after the last 2 seasons. |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 08:57 - Nov 5 with 5664 views | SaleAway |
I think you're missing the point here. We know that we're struggling, we know we're not one of the better teams in the league. This season was always going to be hard. The reason that the poor refereeing decisions are being brought up, is that its hard enough as a newly promoted team, without having a constant stream of poor decisions. Yes, we make our own mistakes, of course we do, that's part and parcel of football. And yes, or course we all want O'Shea to bury the header, or Morsy to not get caught on the ball. But the flip side of that, is that in games where the margins are always going to be tight for us, because we're not yet at the level we need to be, it hurts so much more, because these decisions end up making a material difference to the matches.
We had some shockers last year, but as we were winning anyway, we didn't tend to dwell on them so much.
Its not an either/or situation. I think we've seen people bemoan our team failings, but we don't want to berate our players, who I think we can all agree are competing well, and getting better. With that in mind, its easier to focus on the stuff that is out of our control.
That being said, the thing that is winding people up is not the yellow/red cards, so much as the horrifically inconsistent use of VAR in the penalty box, and the problem with that, is that there is no real excuse for it, or it seems, will to make it better. They have time to make the right decisions, but for whatever reason, they seem unable to. At least McKenna will admit that we have made mistakes, we don't send Ashton out to say that we played a perfect game, when everyone in the world can see that we haven't. |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:01 - Nov 5 with 5636 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
To address your points one by one.
You're wrong on all counts, with the exception of not being ruthless enough.
It was never enough to warrant a 2nd yellow, Clarks wasn't anywhere near a yellow.
Cajuste was coming on for Morsy, not Phillips, McKenna could never have second guessed what the ref was about to do, so to blame him seems odd.
Morsy should have lashed it, yes but the idea that being physically thrown to the floor is 'looking for a cheap free kick' Jesus wept. |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:01 - Nov 5 with 5615 views | SitfcB |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:01 - Nov 5 by Cheltenham_Blue |
To address your points one by one.
You're wrong on all counts, with the exception of not being ruthless enough.
It was never enough to warrant a 2nd yellow, Clarks wasn't anywhere near a yellow.
Cajuste was coming on for Morsy, not Phillips, McKenna could never have second guessed what the ref was about to do, so to blame him seems odd.
Morsy should have lashed it, yes but the idea that being physically thrown to the floor is 'looking for a cheap free kick' Jesus wept. |
How do you know it was Morsy coming off? |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:04 - Nov 5 with 5595 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:01 - Nov 5 by SitfcB |
How do you know it was Morsy coming off? |
Read McKenna's pre match interview about how long Morsy might last.
See also Morsy running over to McKenna as Cajuste was stripped off, saying something to him, and then Cajuste being held back. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:04 - Nov 5 with 5585 views | Churchman |
I believe most people are aware of what we are, where we are and where we have come from etc. Yes, there is a shortfall in that we have to be at our best to compete. The table doesn’t lie. We are not good enough - at the moment.
We were Saturday though and the paragraph above doesn’t detract from the travesty I witnessed. Everybody knows it including that pillock Gallagher and the rest of the PL club. The referee was dead centre of the game. He was the game and that cannot be right. If you think what happened was right and fair, I suggest you take it up with Ashton and McKenna.
For me it wasn’t just the ludicrous penalty decision or the soft sending off. It was the majority of the decisions from the off. The no 7 who mugged Chaplin before Phillips was first booked committed four far more serious fouls and continued throughout the game. No action taken, not even a word. Phillips - one challenge and in the book. Boom.
The Leicester players were in his ear for 100 minutes. Numerous occasions of time wasting by their keeper in the first half? A friendly chat and a laugh with the ref. Muric slow getting the ball out just once and in the book he went. Their players were given licence to bust into ours, ours reprimanded for the slightest touch egged on by howls of protest from their players. Their keeper gets shot in the penalty area. Rolls about, trainer on, free kick five yards outside the penalty area. They pulled every trick in the book.
I don’t think the officials were bought and paid for, not that it would show in Leicester’s Mickey Mouse fantasy accounts. The officiating was just weak and pathetic. |  | | |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:09 - Nov 5 with 5535 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
O'Shea, Szmodics, Hirst, morsy, Phillips, burns all made mistakes on Sat.
Yet...... the dropped points was all down to the ref according to some.
Football is a game of errors, people need to get used to it. [Post edited 5 Nov 2024 9:12]
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:11 - Nov 5 with 5511 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:09 - Nov 5 by Marshalls_Mullet |
O'Shea, Szmodics, Hirst, morsy, Phillips, burns all made mistakes on Sat.
Yet...... the dropped points was all down to the ref according to some.
Football is a game of errors, people need to get used to it. [Post edited 5 Nov 2024 9:12]
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:12 - Nov 5 with 5486 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:11 - Nov 5 by Cheltenham_Blue |
....dropped two points.... |
🤣🤣 typo. Thanks | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:15 - Nov 5 with 5451 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:09 - Nov 5 by Marshalls_Mullet |
O'Shea, Szmodics, Hirst, morsy, Phillips, burns all made mistakes on Sat.
Yet...... the dropped points was all down to the ref according to some.
Football is a game of errors, people need to get used to it. [Post edited 5 Nov 2024 9:12]
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Don't disagree generally re player mistakes. I was on here last week saying Brentford was down to us, not the ref.
But Saturday is pretty unique for me in that we went from (probably) 2-0 and 11 men to 1-0 and 10 men in the space of 5 seconds with an absolutely honking non-penalty decision. That was clearly the big deciding factor. | | | |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:17 - Nov 5 with 5409 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:01 - Nov 5 by Cheltenham_Blue |
To address your points one by one.
You're wrong on all counts, with the exception of not being ruthless enough.
It was never enough to warrant a 2nd yellow, Clarks wasn't anywhere near a yellow.
Cajuste was coming on for Morsy, not Phillips, McKenna could never have second guessed what the ref was about to do, so to blame him seems odd.
Morsy should have lashed it, yes but the idea that being physically thrown to the floor is 'looking for a cheap free kick' Jesus wept. |
Wow you think Morsy was physically thrown to the floor... jeez you need to watch that again..barely gets touched.
Agree with the rest Tho. [Post edited 5 Nov 2024 9:21]
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:18 - Nov 5 with 5418 views | dirtyboy |
It's the frustration building though.
The City game was annoying, but let's be honest, we were not winning that game regardless of any incorrect VAR decisions or any others....reallly...until Saturday.
2 extra points there and our fortunes don't make us appear dead and buried....I can handle errors in champ / L1 as they do tend to be evened out of the course of a season and as the ref is the only one making a choice at full speed, it's all forgivable (in hindsight at least) but with VAR....it really is 'unforgivable' to be getting such things wrong. |  | | |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:18 - Nov 5 with 5415 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:15 - Nov 5 by tractorboy1978 |
Don't disagree generally re player mistakes. I was on here last week saying Brentford was down to us, not the ref.
But Saturday is pretty unique for me in that we went from (probably) 2-0 and 11 men to 1-0 and 10 men in the space of 5 seconds with an absolutely honking non-penalty decision. That was clearly the big deciding factor. |
It was a contributing factor, but so we're the misses etc from the players.
We need to move on. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:21 - Nov 5 with 5396 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:01 - Nov 5 by Cheltenham_Blue |
To address your points one by one.
You're wrong on all counts, with the exception of not being ruthless enough.
It was never enough to warrant a 2nd yellow, Clarks wasn't anywhere near a yellow.
Cajuste was coming on for Morsy, not Phillips, McKenna could never have second guessed what the ref was about to do, so to blame him seems odd.
Morsy should have lashed it, yes but the idea that being physically thrown to the floor is 'looking for a cheap free kick' Jesus wept. |
So if Phillips, on a booking, does what he does and gets away with it, and the next opportunity he's pulled off, after the game we are saying "we got away with one there didn't we?". Just like we got away with one when Sam Morsy should've been off against Aston Villa. We seem to turn a blind eye to these things as a fanbase.
I'm a big believer in control what you can control. We had the opportunity to get Phillips off, but we didn't. Last season, I saw the Clarke/Williams sub on 60mins if one of them was on a yellow. McKenna doesn't have a crystal ball, but I think he will know that he had an opportunity to get him off before he got sent off. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:24 - Nov 5 with 5344 views | Ryorry |
Everything you said that no-one had talked about, dozens of people had. Read previous posts on the forum before spouting off next time.
This forum is unusual, from what I’ve seen of others, in us bending over backwards to try and not have blue-tinted specs about our performances. Your post is an example.
So when you still have the majority of those same fans up in arms, angry, upset and talking about not just “the most shocking refereeing performance in decades of watching football” 3 days later; but VAR and referee review panels apparently being so blind when watching slow-motion replays that they couldn’t see what even Leicester fans and the MotD pundits saw, then you know there’s a really, really serious problem here. |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:25 - Nov 5 with 5338 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:18 - Nov 5 by dirtyboy |
It's the frustration building though.
The City game was annoying, but let's be honest, we were not winning that game regardless of any incorrect VAR decisions or any others....reallly...until Saturday.
2 extra points there and our fortunes don't make us appear dead and buried....I can handle errors in champ / L1 as they do tend to be evened out of the course of a season and as the ref is the only one making a choice at full speed, it's all forgivable (in hindsight at least) but with VAR....it really is 'unforgivable' to be getting such things wrong. |
The Leif Davis incident at City is one I can really get behind. That is a very good example where we have been shafted by VAR there and I do agree.
But others aren't as strong. The Jack Clarke one vs Everton for example wasn't a pen. In real time it seemed it, but on replay, it wasn't.
Football is a game of fine margins and we are on the other side of those margins at the moment. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:26 - Nov 5 with 5316 views | SitfcB |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:04 - Nov 5 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Read McKenna's pre match interview about how long Morsy might last.
See also Morsy running over to McKenna as Cajuste was stripped off, saying something to him, and then Cajuste being held back. |
I'm afraid Kieran made mistakes on Saturday.. by SitfcB 4 Nov 2024 16:13Think he went over to tell them to hold off on a sub to see how Davis was, he was shouting over to the bench and pointing at Davis, indicating hamstring injury and then ran over to get the message across.
Obviously Davis ended up being fine but within that time Philips got sent off!
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:27 - Nov 5 with 5298 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:24 - Nov 5 by Ryorry |
Everything you said that no-one had talked about, dozens of people had. Read previous posts on the forum before spouting off next time.
This forum is unusual, from what I’ve seen of others, in us bending over backwards to try and not have blue-tinted specs about our performances. Your post is an example.
So when you still have the majority of those same fans up in arms, angry, upset and talking about not just “the most shocking refereeing performance in decades of watching football” 3 days later; but VAR and referee review panels apparently being so blind when watching slow-motion replays that they couldn’t see what even Leicester fans and the MotD pundits saw, then you know there’s a really, really serious problem here. |
The ref didn't do anything wrong, he made a mistake and thst happens in real time.
If there is a complaint, it's that VAR didn't do its job. They are the ones with slow mo replays. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:29 - Nov 5 with 5267 views | Sarge |
It's not every week but I don't care what anybody says, we were robbed of a deserved win over Leicester by the referee.
At Brentford the red card and their penalty were a joke but we'd still have got a point if not for another unforced error.
No other games have been decided by such obvious errors and inexplicably poor refereeing. Most so far have been decided by frequent and costly individual mistakes. | | | |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:32 - Nov 5 with 5193 views | Ryorry |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:27 - Nov 5 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The ref didn't do anything wrong, he made a mistake and thst happens in real time.
If there is a complaint, it's that VAR didn't do its job. They are the ones with slow mo replays. |
“The ref didn't do anything wrong, he made a mistake”.
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:40 - Nov 5 with 5125 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:09 - Nov 5 by Marshalls_Mullet |
O'Shea, Szmodics, Hirst, morsy, Phillips, burns all made mistakes on Sat.
Yet...... the dropped points was all down to the ref according to some.
Football is a game of errors, people need to get used to it. [Post edited 5 Nov 2024 9:12]
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Your posting is a game of errors. |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:42 - Nov 5 with 5126 views | artsbossbeard |
Yeah, lads.
Just ignore that the Club's Head Honcho has got the Ref's Chief in this week to discuss what the club sees as VAR injustices and simply concentrate on the chances created/missed.
Stupid players missing chances. |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:45 - Nov 5 with 5074 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
1. If you don't think Saturday's result was affected by the officials then you're not really an Ipswich supporter (and you don't know much about football generally).
2. It's not "every week it is always the officials fault". It just isn't. There have been plenty of weeks where we've bemoaned our play or just accepted we were beaten by the better team.
3. All the things you said "No one talks about" have been talked about on here in length.
OTT reactionary nonsense. It's Tuesday as well, you ought to have calmed down 3 days after the event. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:55 - Nov 5 with 5002 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:45 - Nov 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
1. If you don't think Saturday's result was affected by the officials then you're not really an Ipswich supporter (and you don't know much about football generally).
2. It's not "every week it is always the officials fault". It just isn't. There have been plenty of weeks where we've bemoaned our play or just accepted we were beaten by the better team.
3. All the things you said "No one talks about" have been talked about on here in length.
OTT reactionary nonsense. It's Tuesday as well, you ought to have calmed down 3 days after the event. |
Flash that's poor from you. No. 1
Was there a moment the officials bugered up yes but it didn't chalk off a goal scored and neither did it let a goal stand. So no it didn't affect the result.
Morsy fumbling and burns bouncing off a player lead to them scoring an equaliser. But then could oshea have done better to, was muric slow coming out? Was it just a good goal between two leicester players? | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 09:56 - Nov 5 with 4998 views | textbackup |
The same people blamed them in L1, the championship… it’s almost like you can’t pin any hopes on refs being consistent (something we’ve all known since starting to watch football)
I don’t really care what they do anymore, it’s completely pointless moaning.
I care about what we can do to prevent mistakes, and the way we play. As we can control that |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:00 - Nov 5 with 4968 views | Guthrum |
You're saying "the players should have done such-and-such" as if they were easy things, in a split second, in the heat of the action amid physical exertion, in the face of top-class opponents, in spite of the technical difficulty and fine margins of what they were trying to achieve.
The players practice and are a damn sight better at doing those things than any of us, but they are not supermen. Neither do they have the leisure of considering alternative actions using replays. Everything is an instant, instinctive decision.
The Ref, while he may be running around, is an purely an observer, not distracted by trying to calculate when and how high he should jump for a header. His entire job is to watch what's going on. From a close vantage point than anyone else. Moreover, he has two Assistants as extra pairs of eyes. The VAR crew are sitting in a warm office, with replays and camera angles on tap.
Match officials are only human, too. But mistakes by them are less forgiveable (especially with technological backup) than by the players actually engaged in the game. |  |
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