| Elanga cost Forest £15m 20:17 - Mar 15 with 12411 views | Trequartista |
Really think we went wrong with our multiple £20m purchases of English Championship all-stars. |  |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 20:20 - Mar 15 with 6709 views | You_Bloo_Right |
"A fool is someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing"
O Wilde |  |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 20:21 - Mar 15 with 6664 views | FrimleyBlue |
There's potential that philogene. Hutch etc Could go on to be worth 2 or 3 times their purchase price. 1 because of their nationality and 2 because of their talents. |  |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 20:24 - Mar 15 with 6652 views | Trequartista |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 20:21 - Mar 15 by FrimleyBlue |
There's potential that philogene. Hutch etc Could go on to be worth 2 or 3 times their purchase price. 1 because of their nationality and 2 because of their talents. |
That's true, and one or two were great purchases, but we're a football team, not an isa. | |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 20:25 - Mar 15 with 6618 views | ITFCSG |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 20:21 - Mar 15 by FrimleyBlue |
There's potential that philogene. Hutch etc Could go on to be worth 2 or 3 times their purchase price. 1 because of their nationality and 2 because of their talents. |
Buying potential is pointless when we can't stay up because
1. There is no guarantee that they will reach their top potential with us
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2. If we aren't in the PL they will leave for a PL club
So effectively we are just training youngsters for other PL clubs higher up in the footballing chain. And there's a risk they fail to live up to their potential which would leave us with a very expensive dud. That's what happened to Southampton, Leicester etc. What's the point? |  | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 20:28 - Mar 15 with 6577 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
Accept the best Championship players were actually at Leicester, Ipswich, Southampton and Leeds and we didn’t sign anyone from those three. We signed players from Hull, Blackburn, West Brom and Sunderland who were not better than what we had for silly money. We also recruited from relegated Burnley and Luton.
Whatever anyone says, the recruitment policy was absolutely wrong and what killed this season. Whoever signed off on this strategy is responsible for the fact while we’ve played okay in spells, are miles off being good enough for this league. We’ve wasted a lot of money on players in my view won’t necessarily guarantee us promotion next season either. While we won’t do a Luton we’re not going to have the easy ride some are expecting either, especially when our better players in the Championship are getting older or have injuries. Will we overhaul again? I expect more so than people think. |  |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 20:35 - Mar 15 with 6484 views | Axeldalai_lama |
I genuinely don't know, but wasn't Elanga effectively a similar 20 year old £15 million punt? Was there any more in his career of 4 premier league starts for utd that made him any more of a dead cert than the £15 million punts we've taken?
Like I say, I've never really heard of the bloke, maybe he was a class above ours before they signed him, I don't know. |  | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 20:35 - Mar 15 with 6483 views | ITFCSG |
And FYI its not only Elanga
Mateta, Unal, Sarr, Moder all cost less than Clarke and Philogene
And that's just off the top of my head.
Check out Transfermarkt I'm sure there are many more you can find | | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 20:39 - Mar 15 with 6445 views | RegencyBlue |
The gulf in quality, and physicality, between top Championship players and even average Premiership players has become very obvious as the season has gone on. Pretty much every team we have played have bigger, fitter, faster players than we do. By comparison we look lightweight and off the pace much of the time.
If we bounce straight back up we are going to have to do something different recruitment wise! |  | | |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 20:46 - Mar 15 with 6347 views | davblue |
Hudson-Odoi was 3 million quid. |  | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:13 - Mar 15 with 6187 views | bsw72 |
Comparing player fees is only half the story and is easy, what has to be considered to fully understand is the wage bill, contract structure etc. You have to sign players who are willing to come to a club who will be battling relegation and so the players need to balance their salary expectations with a relegation clause, international players will not want to join an underperforming team etc.
Fans need to be realistic about what we can afford to pay in fees and salaries without putting the club at risk, like what happened in 2003 and to a lesser extent 1986. |  | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:14 - Mar 15 with 6162 views | bsw72 |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 20:46 - Mar 15 by davblue |
Hudson-Odoi was 3 million quid. |
And is on 80k per week. | | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:19 - Mar 15 with 6125 views | TheBoyBlue |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 20:28 - Mar 15 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
Accept the best Championship players were actually at Leicester, Ipswich, Southampton and Leeds and we didn’t sign anyone from those three. We signed players from Hull, Blackburn, West Brom and Sunderland who were not better than what we had for silly money. We also recruited from relegated Burnley and Luton.
Whatever anyone says, the recruitment policy was absolutely wrong and what killed this season. Whoever signed off on this strategy is responsible for the fact while we’ve played okay in spells, are miles off being good enough for this league. We’ve wasted a lot of money on players in my view won’t necessarily guarantee us promotion next season either. While we won’t do a Luton we’re not going to have the easy ride some are expecting either, especially when our better players in the Championship are getting older or have injuries. Will we overhaul again? I expect more so than people think. |
A lot to unpack here.
It's possible for players to still be good, even if the team they play for isn't good. The players we signed are not just for this season, they are clearly meant to evolve and improve over the next couple of seasons and thus either evolve and improve us or get sold on for big money to help us improve our squad.
I imagine we would've loved to have signed Virgil van Dijk and Cole Palmer, but for some reason they didn't want to sign for a newly promoted team who were only in League 1 a year earlier.
Also after years of neglect we don't have an overseas network or established academy to call upon yet.
Why people think that relegation from a division that we would never have dreamt we'd be in a couple of years ago is going to be so devastating to the club amazes me, especially in a week when we've been given the go-ahead for a £30m training ground redevelopment and three of our attacking output has been called up to the England under-21s. [Post edited 15 Mar 21:21]
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:22 - Mar 15 with 6083 views | BloomBlue |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:14 - Mar 15 by bsw72 |
And is on 80k per week. |
Double that if you believe the rumours. Chelsea wanted a few players off their books who were on silly money. Hudson-Odoi was one of those, but was demanding Chelsea pay up his contract. Chelsea agreed to sell at a reduce cost, hence the £3m fee, if NF take on his £160k a week wage, which they did. |  | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:33 - Mar 15 with 5985 views | MattinLondon |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:14 - Mar 15 by bsw72 |
And is on 80k per week. |
That’s the thing - it’s easy to say that club a or b etc signed a player for a few million but their wages have to be taken into account. Someone mentioned Mateta but he’s on £50k pw.
Also if new players come into a club on good money, other established players at that club may well demand more. Transfer fees don’t always tell the true financial cost to a club for some players. |  | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:35 - Mar 15 with 5957 views | bsw72 |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:22 - Mar 15 by BloomBlue |
Double that if you believe the rumours. Chelsea wanted a few players off their books who were on silly money. Hudson-Odoi was one of those, but was demanding Chelsea pay up his contract. Chelsea agreed to sell at a reduce cost, hence the £3m fee, if NF take on his £160k a week wage, which they did. |
I doubt forest are paying above the 80k. Generally if a player is transferred without making a transfer request the selling club could be asked to settle the contract difference or add a selling club wage contribution clause and pay any loyalty bonus, at least that used to be my understanding but it’s been a few years since I looked at the football agent regulations. | | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:39 - Mar 15 with 5903 views | davblue |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:14 - Mar 15 by bsw72 |
And is on 80k per week. |
80k a week in the premier league is nowhere near top dollar. We are paying Phillips 100k a week, so what’s your point? | | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:45 - Mar 15 with 5846 views | ITFCSG |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:39 - Mar 15 by davblue |
80k a week in the premier league is nowhere near top dollar. We are paying Phillips 100k a week, so what’s your point? |
Phillips is stealing a living for 100k a week. Another one going through the motions. If he loves Leeds so much I'll drive him to Elland Road now. Look at his body language today, useless. | | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:53 - Mar 15 with 5771 views | bsw72 |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:39 - Mar 15 by davblue |
80k a week in the premier league is nowhere near top dollar. We are paying Phillips 100k a week, so what’s your point? |
KP is a loan, so club are not committed beyond this season, and with no transfer fee up front it’s only about £4m in total (Aug->Jun) which is very different to the club committing to a £12m over a 3 year period.
It’s about knowing what the club can be committed to spending and afford not just this year but for the term of the player contracts.
Business basics, minimize financial exposure while trying to maximise return on investments. | | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 22:06 - Mar 15 with 5621 views | Blooos |
Our recruitment was just nowhere near good enough and borderline lazy.. just picking the best players from the league below. ONE player signed from abroad and no surprise he’s the best of the lot. Said in the summer I have no idea why we aren’t / werent shopping abroad. We want to mirror the Brentford / Brighton model but we’ve just simply done it wrong, massively overpaid for average players. | | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 22:21 - Mar 15 with 5585 views | davblue |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:53 - Mar 15 by bsw72 |
KP is a loan, so club are not committed beyond this season, and with no transfer fee up front it’s only about £4m in total (Aug->Jun) which is very different to the club committing to a £12m over a 3 year period.
It’s about knowing what the club can be committed to spending and afford not just this year but for the term of the player contracts.
Business basics, minimize financial exposure while trying to maximise return on investments. |
Clarke was for example 15-18million guaranteed transfer fee + you would imagine around 30k/40k a week or so on a 5 year deal, so either 7.5 million or 10 million over that period.
Compare that to the Hudson-Odoi deal, I know which deal I would prefer us to have done. Easy to say I know and the deal wasn’t available to us in the summer but there are opportunities out there. | | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 23:14 - Mar 15 with 5422 views | pointofblue |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 22:06 - Mar 15 by Blooos |
Our recruitment was just nowhere near good enough and borderline lazy.. just picking the best players from the league below. ONE player signed from abroad and no surprise he’s the best of the lot. Said in the summer I have no idea why we aren’t / werent shopping abroad. We want to mirror the Brentford / Brighton model but we’ve just simply done it wrong, massively overpaid for average players. |
Hate to say it but it was very similar to the recruitment under Hurst. Claim players who had done well at a lower level and somehow hoped it would click. I do not understand our thinking when it came to attacking signings at all and, to a degree, I'd include Delap in that. If he gets through this slump he's going to be some player but how does he fit into our style of play? Then we have have a bunch of 5ft, 10st wet through number tens. How are they supposed to make an impact at this level?
Signing the likes of Johnson, Godfrey, Phillips and Cajuste I get. It's unfortunate that, for whatever reason, only Cajuste has really worked out. | |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 23:27 - Mar 15 with 5343 views | waveneyblue |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:13 - Mar 15 by bsw72 |
Comparing player fees is only half the story and is easy, what has to be considered to fully understand is the wage bill, contract structure etc. You have to sign players who are willing to come to a club who will be battling relegation and so the players need to balance their salary expectations with a relegation clause, international players will not want to join an underperforming team etc.
Fans need to be realistic about what we can afford to pay in fees and salaries without putting the club at risk, like what happened in 2003 and to a lesser extent 1986. |
Hush your sensible mouth. It has no place here |  | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 07:06 - Mar 16 with 5012 views | fallyblue |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:14 - Mar 15 by bsw72 |
And is on 80k per week. |
Over a 3 or 4 year deal he still works out a better deal | | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 07:11 - Mar 16 with 4988 views | Libero |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:13 - Mar 15 by bsw72 |
Comparing player fees is only half the story and is easy, what has to be considered to fully understand is the wage bill, contract structure etc. You have to sign players who are willing to come to a club who will be battling relegation and so the players need to balance their salary expectations with a relegation clause, international players will not want to join an underperforming team etc.
Fans need to be realistic about what we can afford to pay in fees and salaries without putting the club at risk, like what happened in 2003 and to a lesser extent 1986. |
Perfectly said, refreshing to read a post from someone who knows what they’re talking about and isn’t being overly emotional/reactionary. |  | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 07:21 - Mar 16 with 4906 views | Herbivore |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:13 - Mar 15 by bsw72 |
Comparing player fees is only half the story and is easy, what has to be considered to fully understand is the wage bill, contract structure etc. You have to sign players who are willing to come to a club who will be battling relegation and so the players need to balance their salary expectations with a relegation clause, international players will not want to join an underperforming team etc.
Fans need to be realistic about what we can afford to pay in fees and salaries without putting the club at risk, like what happened in 2003 and to a lesser extent 1986. |
It's also worth remembering that Forest also paid over £40m for Gibbs-White, so they spent big in those front areas too, and their three behind the main striker are all now in their third year of playing together regularly for Forest in the Prem. As others have mentioned, not all of Forest's signings were exactly tearing it up from day 1, they struggled a lot at times in those first couple of years. It's easy to cherry pick to make comparison but it's usually not very helpful or even particularly illustrative of anything. |  |
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