| Elanga cost Forest £15m 20:17 - Mar 15 with 13127 views | Trequartista |
Really think we went wrong with our multiple £20m purchases of English Championship all-stars. |  |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 11:40 - Mar 16 with 1389 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Seems from this thread a lot of our fans aren’t too clued up on how football transfers work…. |  |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 11:51 - Mar 16 with 1344 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 11:40 - Mar 16 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Seems from this thread a lot of our fans aren’t too clued up on how football transfers work…. |
It's simple, you click on the 'transfers' part of your computer as a manager, scroll through the players, click on the ones that look good, check how much they cost and add them to your basket.
They arrive the next day, fully up to speed and ready to play and are fit and speak the language and style and without a second thought for any other club they may have joined.
Simple. Pull your finger out McKenna. |  | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 11:51 - Mar 16 with 1342 views | RichOBlue |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 20:21 - Mar 15 by FrimleyBlue |
There's potential that philogene. Hutch etc Could go on to be worth 2 or 3 times their purchase price. 1 because of their nationality and 2 because of their talents. |
Can u provide a time frame I’m hopeful |  |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 11:52 - Mar 16 with 1335 views | NedPlimpton |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 11:30 - Mar 16 by ITFCSG |
Well, we got Morsy, Luongo, Hirst and signed Broadhead and Clarke in League One so it is possible to get players to drop down a division.
Obviously the spin of MA and McK’s “project” doesn’t cut it with Prem players |
If signing prem players whilst in the championship was as easy as you suggest, then the gap between the prem and the championship would be nowhere near as big as it is now!
The gap between the championship and L1 isn't comparable in any way shape or form. Wages, standard, coverage etc |  | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 11:56 - Mar 16 with 1310 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 11:51 - Mar 16 by RichOBlue |
Can u provide a time frame I’m hopeful |
Well Philogene has played 8 games for us, so maybe a tad longer than that. | | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 12:02 - Mar 16 with 1286 views | xrayspecs |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 21:35 - Mar 15 by bsw72 |
I doubt forest are paying above the 80k. Generally if a player is transferred without making a transfer request the selling club could be asked to settle the contract difference or add a selling club wage contribution clause and pay any loyalty bonus, at least that used to be my understanding but it’s been a few years since I looked at the football agent regulations. |
He is known to our family.
As others have said, his transfer fee was low to enable Forest to cover his wages, which are substantially more than £100k pw. |  | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 12:04 - Mar 16 with 1282 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 11:51 - Mar 16 by Axeldalai_lama |
It's simple, you click on the 'transfers' part of your computer as a manager, scroll through the players, click on the ones that look good, check how much they cost and add them to your basket.
They arrive the next day, fully up to speed and ready to play and are fit and speak the language and style and without a second thought for any other club they may have joined.
Simple. Pull your finger out McKenna. |
I know right, so simple.
I’m sure all of these players as well would be lining up to join us over Nottingham Forest and Crystal Palace. I’m sure most as well would have been delighted to take big pay cuts to come to us and just play for the love of the game. I’m also sure that them looking good is nothing to do with the fact that they were playing much better teams than ours surrounded by premier league experience.
I agree it’s McKennas fault.. MCKENNA OUT | |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 12:24 - Mar 16 with 1219 views | RichOBlue |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 11:56 - Mar 16 by Axeldalai_lama |
Well Philogene has played 8 games for us, so maybe a tad longer than that. |
Potential xG ? | |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 12:33 - Mar 16 with 1191 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 12:24 - Mar 16 by RichOBlue |
Potential xG ? |
Huh?!
He's scored 3 actual genuine goals, that count on the score sheet, don't know if they're allowed to be factored in? | | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 13:10 - Mar 16 with 1165 views | RichOBlue |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 12:33 - Mar 16 by Axeldalai_lama |
Huh?!
He's scored 3 actual genuine goals, that count on the score sheet, don't know if they're allowed to be factored in? |
Sell sell sell profit all the way | |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 14:50 - Mar 16 with 1104 views | ITFCSG |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 12:02 - Mar 16 by xrayspecs |
He is known to our family.
As others have said, his transfer fee was low to enable Forest to cover his wages, which are substantially more than £100k pw. |
Phillips is on £100k a week, tell me which offers better value? | | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 14:54 - Mar 16 with 1093 views | Herbivore |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 11:30 - Mar 16 by ITFCSG |
Well, we got Morsy, Luongo, Hirst and signed Broadhead and Clarke in League One so it is possible to get players to drop down a division.
Obviously the spin of MA and McK’s “project” doesn’t cut it with Prem players |
It's not about "spin", it's about Prem sides being able to pay £60k plus a week in wages and us being nowhere near able to compete with that as a Championship side without parachute payments. Some of our fans are in a fantasy land. |  |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 14:55 - Mar 16 with 1092 views | ITFCSG |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 12:04 - Mar 16 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I know right, so simple.
I’m sure all of these players as well would be lining up to join us over Nottingham Forest and Crystal Palace. I’m sure most as well would have been delighted to take big pay cuts to come to us and just play for the love of the game. I’m also sure that them looking good is nothing to do with the fact that they were playing much better teams than ours surrounded by premier league experience.
I agree it’s McKennas fault.. MCKENNA OUT |
Well, Elanga and Hudson-Odoi joined Forest for less than what we paid for J Clarke and Philogene when Forest was mired close to the bottom of the Prem and one of the favourites to go down.
So how did Forest attract such players then instead of paying over the moon for Championship U21 all-stars? Maybe because they prefer life in East Midlands? Or better atmosphere at the City Ground? [Post edited 16 Mar 15:00]
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 14:57 - Mar 16 with 1083 views | Herbivore |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 14:50 - Mar 16 by ITFCSG |
Phillips is on £100k a week, tell me which offers better value? |
Were Forest offering Hudson-Odoi out on loan in the summer? I must have missed that one. Otherwise I'm not sure what point you're making. | |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 14:58 - Mar 16 with 1074 views | Herbivore |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 14:55 - Mar 16 by ITFCSG |
Well, Elanga and Hudson-Odoi joined Forest for less than what we paid for J Clarke and Philogene when Forest was mired close to the bottom of the Prem and one of the favourites to go down.
So how did Forest attract such players then instead of paying over the moon for Championship U21 all-stars? Maybe because they prefer life in East Midlands? Or better atmosphere at the City Ground? [Post edited 16 Mar 15:00]
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Nottingham isn't in the north east. They were willing to pay them both massive wages, hence the FFP issues they had last season. Transfers aren't made up solely by fees, you have to pay players a salary as well. | |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 15:03 - Mar 16 with 1055 views | pointofblue |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 14:58 - Mar 16 by Herbivore |
Nottingham isn't in the north east. They were willing to pay them both massive wages, hence the FFP issues they had last season. Transfers aren't made up solely by fees, you have to pay players a salary as well. |
Maybe I'm just bitter but perhaps clubs should be punished more than just a nominal points deduction for breaking the rules. The division would be different if Luton and Sheffield United were given a repreive with Forest and Everton relegated. | |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 15:32 - Mar 16 with 1018 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 14:55 - Mar 16 by ITFCSG |
Well, Elanga and Hudson-Odoi joined Forest for less than what we paid for J Clarke and Philogene when Forest was mired close to the bottom of the Prem and one of the favourites to go down.
So how did Forest attract such players then instead of paying over the moon for Championship U21 all-stars? Maybe because they prefer life in East Midlands? Or better atmosphere at the City Ground? [Post edited 16 Mar 15:00]
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Proving my earlier point that lots of people in this thread aren't aware how transfers work. | |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 16:15 - Mar 16 with 967 views | LankHenners |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 15:32 - Mar 16 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Proving my earlier point that lots of people in this thread aren't aware how transfers work. |
Think they're just a troll to be honest - almost every single post they've made this season has been negative or slagging a player/the manager off and keeps wanging on about recruiting from abroad despite it being explained to them multiple times that it's nowhere near as simple as they repeatedly make out. |  |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 16:22 - Mar 16 with 936 views | Trequartista |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 07:40 - Mar 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Such clueless and simplistic thinking, and parroted by several other equally clueless people in the thread.
We could all cite players who cost other teams less than one of our players. There's so much more to it than that. For starters he was joining Forest, which is a much more attractive proposition than Ipswich who've come straight up from League 1. Then, as others have said, there's the wages - which other teams can pay much more of because they have parachute payments at worst and years and years of Prem money for the majority.
And there's even some twonk moaning about our lack of foreign investment when it's well known by everyone that we haven't been able to develop the foreign recruitment structure yet (which was non-existent under Evans).
There's also the point that many of these players (especially the foreign ones) don't hit the ground running immediately, and all you lot moaning about the lack of foreign investment would be moaning about foreign investment if we'd gone down that route and they didn't click immediately.
So many of you think real life is the same as Football Manager. Clueless.
Everyone downarrowing this might as well be putting up your hand and saying "I'm clueless". |
I think I'm right in saying we beat Brentford to a couple of our signings this season so there's no real evidence to say that we wouldn't be able to sign someone of Elanga's profile when he left Man Utd.
It's just an example anyway that happened to be prominent because of yesterday, there are hundreds of foreign players we haven't gone for, and yes our foreign scouting system is not as advanced as other clubs but plenty of foreign players already play here or are already known.
I just think we've gone with too many up-and-coming players who are not yet good enough rather some more experienced players who are not the best in the division (otherwise they'd be out of reach) but at least have some savvy and knowhow of the division. It may transpire that Ashton admits this over time. | |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 16:31 - Mar 16 with 915 views | positivity |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 16:22 - Mar 16 by Trequartista |
I think I'm right in saying we beat Brentford to a couple of our signings this season so there's no real evidence to say that we wouldn't be able to sign someone of Elanga's profile when he left Man Utd.
It's just an example anyway that happened to be prominent because of yesterday, there are hundreds of foreign players we haven't gone for, and yes our foreign scouting system is not as advanced as other clubs but plenty of foreign players already play here or are already known.
I just think we've gone with too many up-and-coming players who are not yet good enough rather some more experienced players who are not the best in the division (otherwise they'd be out of reach) but at least have some savvy and knowhow of the division. It may transpire that Ashton admits this over time. |
who did we beat brentford to?
we did sign players of elanga's profile (academy prospect with limited prem experience) in delap, philogene & hutchinson, some have started better than others, but elanga didn't exactly set the world alight in his first months with forest either! | |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 16:38 - Mar 16 with 894 views | Herbivore |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 16:22 - Mar 16 by Trequartista |
I think I'm right in saying we beat Brentford to a couple of our signings this season so there's no real evidence to say that we wouldn't be able to sign someone of Elanga's profile when he left Man Utd.
It's just an example anyway that happened to be prominent because of yesterday, there are hundreds of foreign players we haven't gone for, and yes our foreign scouting system is not as advanced as other clubs but plenty of foreign players already play here or are already known.
I just think we've gone with too many up-and-coming players who are not yet good enough rather some more experienced players who are not the best in the division (otherwise they'd be out of reach) but at least have some savvy and knowhow of the division. It may transpire that Ashton admits this over time. |
We wouldn't have been able to sign Elanga because we were in the Championship when United decided to sell and wouldn't have been able to afford the fee or his wages. Brentford were rumoured to be in for O'Shea but we were the only team who met Burnley's valuation. Cajuste would have joined them over us if not for an issue with his medical, so it's not really accurate to say we beat Brentford to any signings. | |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 16:44 - Mar 16 with 865 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 10:04 - Mar 16 by sjg |
We’re not competing with those teams for players are we? And do you know how much recruitment is based on actually watching players vs tracking data? It’s not the 80s, any team in the Prem should be able tor recruit more than 1 player from overseas |
Nice attempt at twisting, but you said "Our revenue going forward is the same as any other Prem club". I just listed a few Prem clubs and asked you in what way our revenue is the same... but actually I could've listed every single Prem club.
Now kindly show your workings that our revenue is the same as any other Prem club. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 16:45 - Mar 16 with 861 views | ITFCSG |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 16:38 - Mar 16 by Herbivore |
We wouldn't have been able to sign Elanga because we were in the Championship when United decided to sell and wouldn't have been able to afford the fee or his wages. Brentford were rumoured to be in for O'Shea but we were the only team who met Burnley's valuation. Cajuste would have joined them over us if not for an issue with his medical, so it's not really accurate to say we beat Brentford to any signings. |
Trequartista meant an Elanga equivalent instead of signing Championship all-stars.
And why our scouting team only seem to be able to recruit from the Championship. Delap and Philogene weren't even the stand out players in the Champ last season. | | | |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 16:51 - Mar 16 with 839 views | Herbivore |
| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 16:45 - Mar 16 by ITFCSG |
Trequartista meant an Elanga equivalent instead of signing Championship all-stars.
And why our scouting team only seem to be able to recruit from the Championship. Delap and Philogene weren't even the stand out players in the Champ last season. |
Yeah, why did we go in for Delap? What a waste of money he's been, eh?
Who was this summer's Elanga equivalent then who we didn't go in for? | |
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| Elanga cost Forest £15m on 16:52 - Mar 16 with 836 views | victorysquad |
We made Elanga look world class yesterday, somehow. | |
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