| 1-0 Wolves 20:09 - Apr 1 with 15230 views | NeedhamChris |
That league table is abysmal. |  |
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| 1-0 Wolves on 22:17 - Apr 1 with 2478 views | itfcjoe |
Wolves are now on 29 points from 30 games, and were an absolute shower for half a season with in fighting, clearly given up on a manager, no recruitment etc - when they pull it together you realise that they have a 3 Brazilian internationals through the spine of their team, and serious talent levels
It's going to be 40 points to stay up, I don't see any way we could have got close to that. West Ham look bang average under Potter, but better than they did under Lopetegui and you look and they have 34 points from 30 |  |
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| 1-0 Wolves (n/t) on 22:20 - Apr 1 with 2444 views | StNeotsBlue |
| 1-0 Wolves on 21:01 - Apr 1 by Guthrum |
Arsenal are that far behind Liverpool, but commentators still think they're in with a chance. |
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| 1-0 Wolves on 22:20 - Apr 1 with 2440 views | itfcjoe |
| 1-0 Wolves on 20:37 - Apr 1 by Parky |
Not that it really matters at this point, but watching that half has highlighted to me the difference in quality between their midfield and ours. Everything went through Gomes and Andre, so combative, but also forward thinking, head and shoulders above ours. |
You'd expect Gomes and Andre being a 23 and 24 year old Brazilian internationals to be a bit good though - that's what we are up against though | |
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| 1-0 Wolves on 22:23 - Apr 1 with 2403 views | MK1 |
| 1-0 Wolves on 22:09 - Apr 1 by NeedhamChris |
You posted this after 12 games when had 9 points
Always thought this was going to happen. by MK1 24 Nov 2024 18:46Kieran McKenna is one hell of a coach/manager. Once he got his teeth into this league, we were always going to improve. We actually started the season better than I thought, but now he is up to speed with the league and the new signings are listening and carrying out his instructions, we are in a very, very good place. The performance tonight, I think, will now be the norm, so safety is a very real possibility. McKenna is a magnificent coach and the players are listening and doing as he asks. If we carry on improving at the rate we already have, then we will pick up points a plenty.
Just as a side note, great atmosphere in the ground today.
Since then we've achieved 8 points in 17 games.
I appreciate you describe safety only as a possibility so this isn't intended as a gotcha post - but I find it hard to understand why someone who was expecting improvement in November is so critical of other fans who are upset we haven't shown any improvement whatsoever. |
If I was as sad as you, I'm sure I could pull posts from you that would show that you couldn't see into the future either.
I think most would have said at the beginning of the season that we had recruited well. These players haven't just forgotten how to play football, it's the gulf between Championship and PL that has caught us all out.
I also posted many times that I wish we had signed a few more experienced PL players. (I'm sure you saw them while trawling through my previous posts).
I am a realist and expected us to struggle this season and I am disappointed in the fact that we aren't closer to safety.
Could you please explain to me what good slagging off your team achieves?
Saying players aren't good enough achieves?
Saying the manager is out of his depth, achieves?
I am a realist, not a dreamer. We were always going to struggle this season. I have said this many, many times before and throughout the season.
I support Ipswich Town Football Club.
Keep life real. |  |
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| 1-0 Wolves on 22:28 - Apr 1 with 2338 views | NeedhamChris |
| 1-0 Wolves on 22:23 - Apr 1 by MK1 |
If I was as sad as you, I'm sure I could pull posts from you that would show that you couldn't see into the future either.
I think most would have said at the beginning of the season that we had recruited well. These players haven't just forgotten how to play football, it's the gulf between Championship and PL that has caught us all out.
I also posted many times that I wish we had signed a few more experienced PL players. (I'm sure you saw them while trawling through my previous posts).
I am a realist and expected us to struggle this season and I am disappointed in the fact that we aren't closer to safety.
Could you please explain to me what good slagging off your team achieves?
Saying players aren't good enough achieves?
Saying the manager is out of his depth, achieves?
I am a realist, not a dreamer. We were always going to struggle this season. I have said this many, many times before and throughout the season.
I support Ipswich Town Football Club.
Keep life real. |
I said quite clearly it wasn't a gotcha post, I don't expect you to have been able to predict the season.
All I'm saying is that like you in November, many of us thought we had the capability to give it a proper go. Since then it's been a complete flop of a season - and some of us aren't as good at just accepting that and being okay with it.
Admire your positivity - and I'm confident I'll be more excited come August. But they say live in the moment, and in the moment we have failed to give it a proper go.
I do agree with Joe's point that achieving 40 points just isn't likely to have been realistic (although say that to the half of our fan base that thought we'd be top-half!), so in the end the outcome wouldn't have changed. But as a season ticket holder who doesn't have the points for away games - there have been sod all moments (bar Chelsea) to look back on with any fondness. | |
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| 1-0 Wolves on 22:29 - Apr 1 with 2321 views | ITFC_History |
We have won two points in 2025 & lost 8 of the last 9. |  | | |
| Wolves were a club in crisis on 22:30 - Apr 1 with 2310 views | unstableblue |
| 1-0 Wolves on 22:17 - Apr 1 by itfcjoe |
Wolves are now on 29 points from 30 games, and were an absolute shower for half a season with in fighting, clearly given up on a manager, no recruitment etc - when they pull it together you realise that they have a 3 Brazilian internationals through the spine of their team, and serious talent levels
It's going to be 40 points to stay up, I don't see any way we could have got close to that. West Ham look bang average under Potter, but better than they did under Lopetegui and you look and they have 34 points from 30 |
After our win at Molineux, there were protests outside, Lemina had been stripped of the captaincy, Cunha discipline was all over the place. Manager shot.
We looked the better side on the day.
And their message boards were almost conceding relegation.
But they’d been recruiting quality for seasons. They switched the manager. And have turned it around.
Meanwhile we fell the wrong side of so many margins - Onana wunder saves, some ridiculous VAR, a post at Fulham, etc.
We needed someone like Wolves to implode. And for the margins to fall our way, which would have given us the confidence to maybe bridge the quality gap.
But as you say lowly Wolves have 3 Brazilian internationals.
It’s quite the gap.
But let’s go out and win some games and go down with pride. |  |
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| 1-0 Wolves on 22:32 - Apr 1 with 2267 views | itfcsuth |
League table doesn’t lie.
We’re a long way off this level right now.
We can look around at external factors, but internally we were awful in the transfer market, and at a £150m expense.
Ashton talked about the trust they’ve built in the transfer market, it’s easy enough to buy Champ players on big wages to drop to L1, but when we needed to be really smart in the market to bridge the gap, we did some awful transfer business. |  | | |
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| Wolves were a club in crisis on 22:34 - Apr 1 with 2248 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Wolves were a club in crisis on 22:30 - Apr 1 by unstableblue |
After our win at Molineux, there were protests outside, Lemina had been stripped of the captaincy, Cunha discipline was all over the place. Manager shot.
We looked the better side on the day.
And their message boards were almost conceding relegation.
But they’d been recruiting quality for seasons. They switched the manager. And have turned it around.
Meanwhile we fell the wrong side of so many margins - Onana wunder saves, some ridiculous VAR, a post at Fulham, etc.
We needed someone like Wolves to implode. And for the margins to fall our way, which would have given us the confidence to maybe bridge the quality gap.
But as you say lowly Wolves have 3 Brazilian internationals.
It’s quite the gap.
But let’s go out and win some games and go down with pride. |
1 season of survival (26/27)
Bi-Lingual coaching staff
International recruitment network
Easy, sorted.
We are too lightweight and championship(ish) to compete. |  | | |
| Wolves were a club in crisis on 22:35 - Apr 1 with 2229 views | waveneyblue |
| Wolves were a club in crisis on 22:30 - Apr 1 by unstableblue |
After our win at Molineux, there were protests outside, Lemina had been stripped of the captaincy, Cunha discipline was all over the place. Manager shot.
We looked the better side on the day.
And their message boards were almost conceding relegation.
But they’d been recruiting quality for seasons. They switched the manager. And have turned it around.
Meanwhile we fell the wrong side of so many margins - Onana wunder saves, some ridiculous VAR, a post at Fulham, etc.
We needed someone like Wolves to implode. And for the margins to fall our way, which would have given us the confidence to maybe bridge the quality gap.
But as you say lowly Wolves have 3 Brazilian internationals.
It’s quite the gap.
But let’s go out and win some games and go down with pride. |
Don't you be talking like that. Common sense and realisation won't catch on... its wasted on some on here. |  | | |
| Wolves were a club in crisis on 22:46 - Apr 1 with 2118 views | unstableblue |
| Wolves were a club in crisis on 22:34 - Apr 1 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
1 season of survival (26/27)
Bi-Lingual coaching staff
International recruitment network
Easy, sorted.
We are too lightweight and championship(ish) to compete. |
We’ve missed power and pace - Delap had it for the first third of the season. But he got isolated and found out.
The international scouting and recruitment must become a reality… Forest started doing it, despite coming up from the bottom of the championship.
Need to build the training ground, keep McKenna and bounce straight back with promotion and stronger squad, including internationals. | |
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| 1-0 Wolves on 22:51 - Apr 1 with 2078 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| 1-0 Wolves on 22:32 - Apr 1 by itfcsuth |
League table doesn’t lie.
We’re a long way off this level right now.
We can look around at external factors, but internally we were awful in the transfer market, and at a £150m expense.
Ashton talked about the trust they’ve built in the transfer market, it’s easy enough to buy Champ players on big wages to drop to L1, but when we needed to be really smart in the market to bridge the gap, we did some awful transfer business. |
I get that not every signing has worked out, but who were people expecting us to sign ?
Given how much we could spend on wages, given we were likely going to be the overwhelming favourites for relegation, given the fact we probably don't have a scouting network that compares to almost every single other team in the division.
The players we have were premium championship players who give us a great shot of bouncing back at the first time of asking next season where we will then have a different financial position, won't have to do as much business, can probably add some players we couldn't this window.
I just see people always harping on about how we didn't sign prem proven players, who were people actually expecting us to get. [Post edited 1 Apr 22:52]
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| Wolves were a club in crisis on 22:55 - Apr 1 with 2041 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Wolves were a club in crisis on 22:46 - Apr 1 by unstableblue |
We’ve missed power and pace - Delap had it for the first third of the season. But he got isolated and found out.
The international scouting and recruitment must become a reality… Forest started doing it, despite coming up from the bottom of the championship.
Need to build the training ground, keep McKenna and bounce straight back with promotion and stronger squad, including internationals. |
Literally look at every midfield we come against, it's full of international strength and quality. Some of the stuff coming out of Ashton and KM has concerned me at times, the fact they love how young English players can quickly settle into the squad. All well and good but they need to be good enough!
End of the day we are a few years off though and maybe staying up that first year gives you the chance. A young championship all star team was always likely to go down but hopefully serves us well to get back and try again.
What does annoy me is how Forest done it, they overspent but it's not just that, how did they have the delve so quickly into the international markets? They were down as long us! The Olympiacos link and network maybe?
Must admit it did annoy me slightly when KM said after the Sarr goal, that's the "levels". He cost $12M from Marseille, half of what Philogene cost and had played for Watford before. Palace would have for their man if we were the competition but I just never felt we were after those kind of players. I could of course be wrong, who knows. | | | |
| 1-0 Wolves on 22:59 - Apr 1 with 2005 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
There was always a good chance the league table would end up this way.
A team doing back to back promotions and then trying to survive in maybe the hardest iteration of the premier league ever is an insanely hard task. As others have mentioned. Look at some of the individuals who play for wolves. Multiple player with 50 million+ price tags on their head. Multiple Brazilian internationals.
Maybe it makes me a bad fan but i'm not angry about it at all. I don't think there needs to be a massive inquest in to what has happened. We just aren't good enough and that is ok. | |
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| 1-0 Wolves on 23:02 - Apr 1 with 1971 views | Matt_Netherlands |
If results go against us (when), then Newcastle away could be the day we are officially put out of our misery. Failing that it’ll be Everton away, shame it’s not a home game really but maybe that’s kinder in some way. Sigh.
Just hope we go with some dignity when it happens. No need for tears. And yes we’re allowed to bleeding clap. This is a side who have achieved something remarkable and come up short, not a side of chancers slipping down into the third tier. |  | | |
| 1-0 Wolves on 23:05 - Apr 1 with 1941 views | sjg |
| 1-0 Wolves on 23:02 - Apr 1 by Matt_Netherlands |
If results go against us (when), then Newcastle away could be the day we are officially put out of our misery. Failing that it’ll be Everton away, shame it’s not a home game really but maybe that’s kinder in some way. Sigh.
Just hope we go with some dignity when it happens. No need for tears. And yes we’re allowed to bleeding clap. This is a side who have achieved something remarkable and come up short, not a side of chancers slipping down into the third tier. |
No it isn’t, this is not the same side that was promoted I’m afraid | | | |
| 1-0 Wolves on 23:07 - Apr 1 with 1932 views | itfcsuth |
| 1-0 Wolves on 22:51 - Apr 1 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I get that not every signing has worked out, but who were people expecting us to sign ?
Given how much we could spend on wages, given we were likely going to be the overwhelming favourites for relegation, given the fact we probably don't have a scouting network that compares to almost every single other team in the division.
The players we have were premium championship players who give us a great shot of bouncing back at the first time of asking next season where we will then have a different financial position, won't have to do as much business, can probably add some players we couldn't this window.
I just see people always harping on about how we didn't sign prem proven players, who were people actually expecting us to get. [Post edited 1 Apr 22:52]
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I’m not convinced in anyway the group we have will bounce back - we were mentality monsters, was the perfect cocktail of quality, team ethos, continuity and momentum - the only momentum the current group has is unfortunately momentum going the wrong way.
Not prem proven, but prem quality, there is a difference - I’ve repeated on here I think the British transfer market is a ridiculously inflated one - and there is far better value for money in the European market - Jens Cajuste is a shining example of that.
The gap from Champ to PL is really big, there was nothing smart about bringing more Championship players with us to bridge that gap, at ridiculously inflated prices. | | | |
| 1-0 Wolves on 23:10 - Apr 1 with 1883 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 1-0 Wolves on 23:07 - Apr 1 by itfcsuth |
I’m not convinced in anyway the group we have will bounce back - we were mentality monsters, was the perfect cocktail of quality, team ethos, continuity and momentum - the only momentum the current group has is unfortunately momentum going the wrong way.
Not prem proven, but prem quality, there is a difference - I’ve repeated on here I think the British transfer market is a ridiculously inflated one - and there is far better value for money in the European market - Jens Cajuste is a shining example of that.
The gap from Champ to PL is really big, there was nothing smart about bringing more Championship players with us to bridge that gap, at ridiculously inflated prices. |
Agree with some of that but win a few games and start getting some continuity and we should be ok. That division is bang average and we have plenty of talent in the squad for it.
As I have alluded to above though, I hope all this UK business wasn't 100% by design and it was a lot of it by necessity. We don't really know the answer to that. | | | |
| 1-0 Wolves on 23:25 - Apr 1 with 1802 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 1-0 Wolves on 22:51 - Apr 1 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I get that not every signing has worked out, but who were people expecting us to sign ?
Given how much we could spend on wages, given we were likely going to be the overwhelming favourites for relegation, given the fact we probably don't have a scouting network that compares to almost every single other team in the division.
The players we have were premium championship players who give us a great shot of bouncing back at the first time of asking next season where we will then have a different financial position, won't have to do as much business, can probably add some players we couldn't this window.
I just see people always harping on about how we didn't sign prem proven players, who were people actually expecting us to get. [Post edited 1 Apr 22:52]
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It's not really proven Prem players, I think the annoyance is not getting a few top flight players from other countries, the Premier League after all, is the place to be (apparently). Cajuste was the only one we could muster and has been decent.
I actually watched Canada beat the USA the other night, they have some very decent players, French Canadians that play in the top French league, just as an example. Don't think they were all playing Champions League football either. [Post edited 1 Apr 23:29]
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| 1-0 Wolves on 23:47 - Apr 1 with 1698 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| 1-0 Wolves on 23:07 - Apr 1 by itfcsuth |
I’m not convinced in anyway the group we have will bounce back - we were mentality monsters, was the perfect cocktail of quality, team ethos, continuity and momentum - the only momentum the current group has is unfortunately momentum going the wrong way.
Not prem proven, but prem quality, there is a difference - I’ve repeated on here I think the British transfer market is a ridiculously inflated one - and there is far better value for money in the European market - Jens Cajuste is a shining example of that.
The gap from Champ to PL is really big, there was nothing smart about bringing more Championship players with us to bridge that gap, at ridiculously inflated prices. |
How good are our scouting networks in Europe. I would assume they are very limited comparatively. How many Prem quality players with affordable wage would have been queuing up join us. We only got Cajuste because he failed a medical at Brentford.
Sheffield United got 16 points and conceded 104 goals last year. They are currently top of the Championship. You can can gain momentum pretty fast in that league. We will have one of the best squads and biggest budgets. No logical reason to be down on our chances at all. Just feels like negativity for negativities sake. [Post edited 1 Apr 23:50]
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| 1-0 Wolves on 23:55 - Apr 1 with 1653 views | itfc_statman |
It was abundantly clear statistically we were miles off it. On par or worse than Leicester in most metrics. | | | |
| 1-0 Wolves on 00:28 - Apr 2 with 1571 views | Churchman |
| 1-0 Wolves on 23:47 - Apr 1 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
How good are our scouting networks in Europe. I would assume they are very limited comparatively. How many Prem quality players with affordable wage would have been queuing up join us. We only got Cajuste because he failed a medical at Brentford.
Sheffield United got 16 points and conceded 104 goals last year. They are currently top of the Championship. You can can gain momentum pretty fast in that league. We will have one of the best squads and biggest budgets. No logical reason to be down on our chances at all. Just feels like negativity for negativities sake. [Post edited 1 Apr 23:50]
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I agree with you 100% but you and one or two other sane, balanced posters are wasting your time. The wet bedsheet brigade are out in full force tonight. Really not sure why.
I think it is the relish with which they are busting into the club, players everything that is so sad, but I guess it’s a measure of the worst of our support. I don't know any other club has had a player’s father ask supporters to leave him alone. Fortunately, most of the people that go to home games and even more so away games actually support the club.
As for scouting networks, it’s well known we are building such things here and hopefully abroad, along with a training ground and just about everything else allowed to rot away until a few years ago.
In the meantime, Mo Salah is leaving Liverpool in the summer. Why instead of Philogene who is so rubbish he’s only in the u21s and not the full squad, didn’t we pick up Mo, Haaland and the two Newcastle midfielders in January? A cheeky little bid and who knows? According to some we paid over the odds for the players we did buy, surely they were within reach budget wise and no doubt always supported us too.
It could all have been so different. [Post edited 2 Apr 0:54]
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| 1-0 Wolves on 00:48 - Apr 2 with 1522 views | Ryorry |
| 1-0 Wolves on 21:07 - Apr 1 by PrideOfTheEast |
Right. A fair question is how on earth we (or anybody coming up) is meant to create a side that’s capable of getting circa 40 points. Seems very difficult to do and surely needs a different approach to recruitment next time, with a focus on overseas players. |
Yes, overseas scouting network and revised approach to recruitment with the benefit now of looking back and learning from this season’s experience all part of the ratcheting up incrementally process. |  |
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| 1-0 Wolves on 01:18 - Apr 2 with 1465 views | Guthrum |
| 1-0 Wolves on 21:53 - Apr 1 by vapour_trail |
Don’t want to go all bully on you guthers, but evidence? everything I have read or listened to has been saying the league is done for weeks now. |
Radio 5, as I was driving home, their game was starting and the commentators were talking in terms of Arsenal still competing for the title. |  |
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| 1-0 Wolves on 04:46 - Apr 2 with 1303 views | Benters |
Even someone like me can see 17th is out of reach now 😩.
Mind you I’d love to beat the plastics on the last day of the season. [Post edited 2 Apr 4:57]
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