| Another 700+ today 19:03 - Apr 15 with 27326 views | bluejacko |
Whatever your view on this crisis it is NOT sustainable!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cddezjy97vro
So much for the smash the gangs approach,Rwanda was not by any means perfect but it had migrants here in NI going down south to get away from it in such numbers that the Irish police actually started doing checks at the border! |  | | |  |
| Another 700+ today on 07:58 - Apr 19 with 1365 views | Herbivore |
| Another 700+ today on 07:51 - Apr 19 by bluelagos |
Benters gets a nose bleed when he goes to London so doubt that's going to happen!
He kind of reminds me an old boy my uncle told me about from somewhere in rural Lincolnshire. Had gone out to France early in the war, got captured and spend the last 4/5 years of war in a PoW camp.
Got home and never left his home town again - on account of the last time he left it didn't end so well.
Many take comfort in the safe and the familiar - not every one has the balls to get on a boat to venture far away from their birth place.
(Not having a dig at Benters, his love of Bentley is actually quite charming) |
I'm surprised multiculturalism has sufficiently embedded itself in Bentley for Benters to have such a negative view of it. I'm guessing they must have a Korean supermarket by now at the very least. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 08:21 - Apr 19 with 1310 views | bluelagos |
| Another 700+ today on 07:58 - Apr 19 by Herbivore |
I'm surprised multiculturalism has sufficiently embedded itself in Bentley for Benters to have such a negative view of it. I'm guessing they must have a Korean supermarket by now at the very least. |
Look, I know Benters isn't exactly welcoming to change and/or to migrants, and that's for him to justify - especially given some disgusting previous comments around immigration.
I just recognise that an awful lot of people are resistant to change, they take comfort in the familiar and so discomfort at change.
The irony here is that Bentley is one of the least changed places I know - you'd barely see a non white face - have been to number of bike nights there and literally not seen one non white face. Same in the local pub when stopping mid walk.
He has (imho) bought into the narrative that immgration is bad for the UK and that immigrants are nasty/bad people. Like millions of other Reform types - fed up with politics - they are going the way of the reform now.
Unlike one or two others I don't parrot the "legitimate concerns" they have - when they are just grabbing the easy answer of blaming immigrants for the under funded services we have.
I think we should explain, in simple terms why immigration is actually good. Like you I see the cultural benefits but I also see the economic benefit and the increasing necessity.
Visited an old cycling pal a few times recently in a care home in Sussex. Of the 10 or so care staff I saw - all bar one was non white. The ones I spoke to from Nigeria, India...you get the picture.
Without those guys, we wouldn't be able to look after our elderly in a dignified manner. Seems to be Benters is probably unaware of the positive role so many immigrants play.
We can try and enlighten him, write him off or just laugh at him. Or just accept that some people are genuinely set in their ways...
Not going to get sucked in - remember challenging Spruce a few times with "you can't change everyone's mind" - but I do appreciate those who try, even if I don't have the energy for it. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 08:27 - Apr 19 with 1288 views | Herbivore |
| Another 700+ today on 08:21 - Apr 19 by bluelagos |
Look, I know Benters isn't exactly welcoming to change and/or to migrants, and that's for him to justify - especially given some disgusting previous comments around immigration.
I just recognise that an awful lot of people are resistant to change, they take comfort in the familiar and so discomfort at change.
The irony here is that Bentley is one of the least changed places I know - you'd barely see a non white face - have been to number of bike nights there and literally not seen one non white face. Same in the local pub when stopping mid walk.
He has (imho) bought into the narrative that immgration is bad for the UK and that immigrants are nasty/bad people. Like millions of other Reform types - fed up with politics - they are going the way of the reform now.
Unlike one or two others I don't parrot the "legitimate concerns" they have - when they are just grabbing the easy answer of blaming immigrants for the under funded services we have.
I think we should explain, in simple terms why immigration is actually good. Like you I see the cultural benefits but I also see the economic benefit and the increasing necessity.
Visited an old cycling pal a few times recently in a care home in Sussex. Of the 10 or so care staff I saw - all bar one was non white. The ones I spoke to from Nigeria, India...you get the picture.
Without those guys, we wouldn't be able to look after our elderly in a dignified manner. Seems to be Benters is probably unaware of the positive role so many immigrants play.
We can try and enlighten him, write him off or just laugh at him. Or just accept that some people are genuinely set in their ways...
Not going to get sucked in - remember challenging Spruce a few times with "you can't change everyone's mind" - but I do appreciate those who try, even if I don't have the energy for it. |
Oh Benters is a lost cause, and I don't mean that in a horrible way, he just has his views on this issue and he's not going to change them. You can see on this thread as just one example lots of counter arguments to anti-immigration rhetoric but people just ignore them. I don't think Benters is a bad person, one thing I find interesting though is that he worries about protecting English culture and values. Benters and I are both English and I imagine we'd have a very, very different idea about what 'our' culture and values might look like. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 08:38 - Apr 19 with 1253 views | gtsb1966 |
| Another 700+ today on 08:21 - Apr 19 by bluelagos |
Look, I know Benters isn't exactly welcoming to change and/or to migrants, and that's for him to justify - especially given some disgusting previous comments around immigration.
I just recognise that an awful lot of people are resistant to change, they take comfort in the familiar and so discomfort at change.
The irony here is that Bentley is one of the least changed places I know - you'd barely see a non white face - have been to number of bike nights there and literally not seen one non white face. Same in the local pub when stopping mid walk.
He has (imho) bought into the narrative that immgration is bad for the UK and that immigrants are nasty/bad people. Like millions of other Reform types - fed up with politics - they are going the way of the reform now.
Unlike one or two others I don't parrot the "legitimate concerns" they have - when they are just grabbing the easy answer of blaming immigrants for the under funded services we have.
I think we should explain, in simple terms why immigration is actually good. Like you I see the cultural benefits but I also see the economic benefit and the increasing necessity.
Visited an old cycling pal a few times recently in a care home in Sussex. Of the 10 or so care staff I saw - all bar one was non white. The ones I spoke to from Nigeria, India...you get the picture.
Without those guys, we wouldn't be able to look after our elderly in a dignified manner. Seems to be Benters is probably unaware of the positive role so many immigrants play.
We can try and enlighten him, write him off or just laugh at him. Or just accept that some people are genuinely set in their ways...
Not going to get sucked in - remember challenging Spruce a few times with "you can't change everyone's mind" - but I do appreciate those who try, even if I don't have the energy for it. |
"Non white face". This thread is about illegal immigration not about the colour of someone's skin but some on here are trying to twist it that way. |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 08:39 - Apr 19 with 1242 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Another 700+ today on 07:17 - Apr 19 by noggin |
"and yet my ancestors defeated the English!"
Those "English" mostly originated from Northern mainland Europe and Scandinavia. Benters is probably of Norwegian descent. You should come over and see where your ancestors lived, Benters (they would have arrived on boats and probably committed crimes). [Post edited 19 Apr 7:22]
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Whoever was here, my ancestors were fighting-age men who came over and illegally settled, forcibly taking their land, women, money and jobs. I'm from the worst kind of immigrant! |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 08:45 - Apr 19 with 1209 views | Mullet |
| Another 700+ today on 08:38 - Apr 19 by gtsb1966 |
"Non white face". This thread is about illegal immigration not about the colour of someone's skin but some on here are trying to twist it that way. |
Are they? I think that’s a pretty weak protest in fairness.
The loudest voices in this debate nationally talk in terms of race explicitly and implicitly constantly. The board reflects that too on this thread I’d say.
Given that the two biggest threads are this and the trans thread, it’s a shame how divided and broken the country is right now. Labour have more than just an economic problem, but a cultural one.
How often are these people white? Where are they coming from? That must be a tiny fraction of a tiny minority? I think people being scared of foreign faces, languages, foods appearing in their town or whatever, is as valid discussion and that’s linked to appearance and perception.
Ultimately, it’s pretty clear that racism is the bedrock of those most anti immigration. It’s the same in Australia and more importantly America. Where we are importing many of these ideas, hate and anger from. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 08:46 - Apr 19 with 1206 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Another 700+ today on 08:38 - Apr 19 by gtsb1966 |
"Non white face". This thread is about illegal immigration not about the colour of someone's skin but some on here are trying to twist it that way. |
You'd be very naive to think that's not a factor for many. As I pointed out earlier, many seem happy for Ukrainians to come over here and settle. [Post edited 19 Apr 8:52]
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| Another 700+ today on 08:49 - Apr 19 with 1184 views | bluelagos |
| Another 700+ today on 08:38 - Apr 19 by gtsb1966 |
"Non white face". This thread is about illegal immigration not about the colour of someone's skin but some on here are trying to twist it that way. |
I would argue the people who are twisting things are the people who use terms like "illegal immigration" with little understanding of our laws.
As far as I am aware immigration is not illegal, not has it ever been. Whether that is by applying for a VISA before you come or by applying for refugee status/asylum when you arrive on our shores.
If it were illegal - then people would be arrested and charged with crimes. They are not.
If/when those who arrive (usually by boat) are deemed not to be legitimate refugees we detain them and deport them.
Not sure why you would think any of these people is a criminal? | |
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| Another 700+ today on 08:52 - Apr 19 with 1171 views | StokieBlue |
| Another 700+ today on 08:38 - Apr 19 by gtsb1966 |
"Non white face". This thread is about illegal immigration not about the colour of someone's skin but some on here are trying to twist it that way. |
Are you going to engage with any of the points made in this thread or just come in occasionally to make a disingenuous or incorrect statement then leave again?
People have responded to your previous posts with nuanced debate and evidence, they have taken the time to do that and as far as I can see you've ignored them and not engaged with any of their points.
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| Another 700+ today on 09:28 - Apr 19 with 1108 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Another 700+ today on 08:49 - Apr 19 by bluelagos |
I would argue the people who are twisting things are the people who use terms like "illegal immigration" with little understanding of our laws.
As far as I am aware immigration is not illegal, not has it ever been. Whether that is by applying for a VISA before you come or by applying for refugee status/asylum when you arrive on our shores.
If it were illegal - then people would be arrested and charged with crimes. They are not.
If/when those who arrive (usually by boat) are deemed not to be legitimate refugees we detain them and deport them.
Not sure why you would think any of these people is a criminal? |
Probably because GB News says they are. The simple and the racists tend to have those views.
Sometimes it just needs to be called out, particularly when there is so much information provided about this subject on the thread. | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 09:45 - Apr 19 with 1082 views | gtsb1966 |
| Another 700+ today on 08:52 - Apr 19 by StokieBlue |
Are you going to engage with any of the points made in this thread or just come in occasionally to make a disingenuous or incorrect statement then leave again?
People have responded to your previous posts with nuanced debate and evidence, they have taken the time to do that and as far as I can see you've ignored them and not engaged with any of their points.
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There are genuine asylum seekers yes but there are also a lot more who are economic migrants. They could've stayed in any country in Europe but no they chose to risk their lives crossing the channel at great expense, because they know this country is too soft. Many are single men who have criminal backgrounds hence the 12% of the prison population being made up of immigrants especially Albanians and Romanians. Yes we need immigrants for jobs i know that but it has to be done the correct way not jump on a boat without a passport and without a criminal background check. You can have your let them all in and then process them views all you like but my views are stop them before they get here. How many have managed to get here and then disappeared. They're my views and I stick by them. Call me racist if it makes you feel better. It doesn't bother me because wanting a controlled immigration system is not racist. That is my last comment on this subject. Happy Easter, enjoy the sunshine. | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 09:53 - Apr 19 with 1046 views | StokieBlue |
| Another 700+ today on 09:45 - Apr 19 by gtsb1966 |
There are genuine asylum seekers yes but there are also a lot more who are economic migrants. They could've stayed in any country in Europe but no they chose to risk their lives crossing the channel at great expense, because they know this country is too soft. Many are single men who have criminal backgrounds hence the 12% of the prison population being made up of immigrants especially Albanians and Romanians. Yes we need immigrants for jobs i know that but it has to be done the correct way not jump on a boat without a passport and without a criminal background check. You can have your let them all in and then process them views all you like but my views are stop them before they get here. How many have managed to get here and then disappeared. They're my views and I stick by them. Call me racist if it makes you feel better. It doesn't bother me because wanting a controlled immigration system is not racist. That is my last comment on this subject. Happy Easter, enjoy the sunshine. |
"There are genuine asylum seekers yes but there are also a lot more who are economic migrants. They could've stayed in any country in Europe but no they chose to risk their lives crossing the channel at great expense, because they know this country is too soft."
Can you provide evidence that they see this country as "too soft" or is that your assumption? People have posted many reasons why they may continue to the UK and there is no legal reason to stay in an earlier country.
"Many are single men who have criminal backgrounds hence the 12% of the prison population being made up of immigrants especially Albanians and Romanians."
Do you have evidence that they have criminal backgrounds before they arrive or are they failed by our system? The point on prison population statistics has been covered by other poster - I suggest you respond to their evidence.
"Yes we need immigrants for jobs i know that but it has to be done the correct way not jump on a boat without a passport and without a criminal background check. "
As discussed, the Tories have removed most legal means for people to do things "the right way". This has been handled by other posters, I suggest you reply to their evidence.
"You can have your let them all in and then process them views all you like but my views are stop them before they get here. How many have managed to get here and then disappeared. They're my views and I stick by them. Call me racist if it makes you feel better. It doesn't bother me because wanting a controlled immigration system is not racist. That is my last comment on this subject. Happy Easter, enjoy the sunshine."
You're just repeating things you've said previously and that have been countered with evidence which you've chosen not to engage with or counter. How do you think people are going to respond to you if you're not willing to engage with them when they present something?
Have a lovely Easter.
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| Another 700+ today on 09:56 - Apr 19 with 1040 views | Herbivore |
| Another 700+ today on 09:45 - Apr 19 by gtsb1966 |
There are genuine asylum seekers yes but there are also a lot more who are economic migrants. They could've stayed in any country in Europe but no they chose to risk their lives crossing the channel at great expense, because they know this country is too soft. Many are single men who have criminal backgrounds hence the 12% of the prison population being made up of immigrants especially Albanians and Romanians. Yes we need immigrants for jobs i know that but it has to be done the correct way not jump on a boat without a passport and without a criminal background check. You can have your let them all in and then process them views all you like but my views are stop them before they get here. How many have managed to get here and then disappeared. They're my views and I stick by them. Call me racist if it makes you feel better. It doesn't bother me because wanting a controlled immigration system is not racist. That is my last comment on this subject. Happy Easter, enjoy the sunshine. |
It's interesting that you choose to stick by those views when a lot of them are wrong or don't demonstrate what you think they demonstrate. In particular, the stuff about lost not being genuine asylum seekers is demonstrably false given that a majority are assessed as needing asylum. The 12% in the prison population is actually an underrepresentation versus the percentage of people born overseas in the general population, so while it'd be nice if nobody came here and committed a crime, criminality is not disproportionately high amongst the demographic you have such a problem with. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 09:58 - Apr 19 with 1025 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Another 700+ today on 09:45 - Apr 19 by gtsb1966 |
There are genuine asylum seekers yes but there are also a lot more who are economic migrants. They could've stayed in any country in Europe but no they chose to risk their lives crossing the channel at great expense, because they know this country is too soft. Many are single men who have criminal backgrounds hence the 12% of the prison population being made up of immigrants especially Albanians and Romanians. Yes we need immigrants for jobs i know that but it has to be done the correct way not jump on a boat without a passport and without a criminal background check. You can have your let them all in and then process them views all you like but my views are stop them before they get here. How many have managed to get here and then disappeared. They're my views and I stick by them. Call me racist if it makes you feel better. It doesn't bother me because wanting a controlled immigration system is not racist. That is my last comment on this subject. Happy Easter, enjoy the sunshine. |
"How many have managed to get here and then disappeared."
FINALLY someone's asking some of the important questions. It's definitely tens of millions, but there's obviously a load of valid reasons for that to be hushed up.
The thing nobody's talking about is how they're disguising themselves as middle-aged white people, even middle-aged white women in some cases. When I'm in the queue at the GP there's absolutely loads of them clogging up the place, but if they'd just been stopped before they got in we'd never be in this mess. And who's paying for all this cosmetic surgery they're having? Me again, no doubt. | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 10:45 - Apr 19 with 912 views | Ryorry |
| Another 700+ today on 04:17 - Apr 19 by Benters |
Don’t worry about it Chris,isn’t multiculturalism wonderful or something. |
Yes it is, and I feel sorry for you if you can’t appreciate that - you’re missing out on something that greatly enriches life.
One of the best times of my life was living in Chapeltown in Leeds - such a happy vibe to walk down the main road to reggae blaring out whilst sampling the culinary delights of the Warsaw Stores, the West Indian shops, the curry ingredients from the Indian place, see the beautiful clothes the Sikh people wore. Best GP I ever had was an Irish lady at the surgery just behind. We all regularly got concerned about the elderly Ukrainian lady who never took off her fur coat even on the hottest summer day.
Happy days. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 11:00 - Apr 19 with 864 views | noggin |
| Another 700+ today on 09:45 - Apr 19 by gtsb1966 |
There are genuine asylum seekers yes but there are also a lot more who are economic migrants. They could've stayed in any country in Europe but no they chose to risk their lives crossing the channel at great expense, because they know this country is too soft. Many are single men who have criminal backgrounds hence the 12% of the prison population being made up of immigrants especially Albanians and Romanians. Yes we need immigrants for jobs i know that but it has to be done the correct way not jump on a boat without a passport and without a criminal background check. You can have your let them all in and then process them views all you like but my views are stop them before they get here. How many have managed to get here and then disappeared. They're my views and I stick by them. Call me racist if it makes you feel better. It doesn't bother me because wanting a controlled immigration system is not racist. That is my last comment on this subject. Happy Easter, enjoy the sunshine. |
"How many have managed to get here and then disappeared"
Nobody knows but it's probably fewer than you think. Remember though, those who have disappeared will have no access to housing, healthcare, benefits or any other public services. They have probably been trafficked for the purpose of slavery or prostitution and will be living in squalid conditions. So if your concern is overwhelmed public services, these people are not the problem. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 11:04 - Apr 19 with 833 views | Ryorry |
| Another 700+ today on 08:46 - Apr 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You'd be very naive to think that's not a factor for many. As I pointed out earlier, many seem happy for Ukrainians to come over here and settle. [Post edited 19 Apr 8:52]
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That’s true, but I can’t help wondering if there’s a kind of instinctive ‘stranger danger’ built into the brains of people who aren’t much exposed to any differences, especially those who look different.
I say this because when I lived in a remote place on the Orkney Isles and walked along the beach by myself, I was initially met with quite a bit of hostility. Asked someone why, they said it was because being so isolated, residents were just worried about all strangers. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 12:37 - Apr 19 with 698 views | Benters |
| Another 700+ today on 07:07 - Apr 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Multiculturalism is wonderful if you get out of your bubble/comfort zone and experience it.
At my dad's wake on Thursday I spoke to my uncle who did the family tree stuff... he's actually got back even further than I said - 1046, 20 years before they invaded, in Normandy.
It's funny to think of myself as English, and yet my ancestors defeated the English! |
You must prefer garlic sausages then to the sausage in cider ? |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 12:39 - Apr 19 with 691 views | Benters |
| Another 700+ today on 07:51 - Apr 19 by bluelagos |
Benters gets a nose bleed when he goes to London so doubt that's going to happen!
He kind of reminds me an old boy my uncle told me about from somewhere in rural Lincolnshire. Had gone out to France early in the war, got captured and spend the last 4/5 years of war in a PoW camp.
Got home and never left his home town again - on account of the last time he left it didn't end so well.
Many take comfort in the safe and the familiar - not every one has the balls to get on a boat to venture far away from their birth place.
(Not having a dig at Benters, his love of Bentley is actually quite charming) |
I’ve been in Brightlingsea today that was far enough for now. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 12:44 - Apr 19 with 675 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Another 700+ today on 07:17 - Apr 19 by noggin |
"and yet my ancestors defeated the English!"
Those "English" mostly originated from Northern mainland Europe and Scandinavia. Benters is probably of Norwegian descent. You should come over and see where your ancestors lived, Benters (they would have arrived on boats and probably committed crimes). [Post edited 19 Apr 7:22]
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Quite horrendous crimes at that too. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 12:48 - Apr 19 with 665 views | Benters |
| Another 700+ today on 07:17 - Apr 19 by noggin |
"and yet my ancestors defeated the English!"
Those "English" mostly originated from Northern mainland Europe and Scandinavia. Benters is probably of Norwegian descent. You should come over and see where your ancestors lived, Benters (they would have arrived on boats and probably committed crimes). [Post edited 19 Apr 7:22]
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Wrong side of the country dear boy,my lot are from the valleys. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 12:51 - Apr 19 with 654 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Another 700+ today on 12:48 - Apr 19 by Benters |
Wrong side of the country dear boy,my lot are from the valleys. |
So you are a Welsh immigrant! | |
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| Another 700+ today on 12:51 - Apr 19 with 653 views | Leaky |
| Another 700+ today on 09:45 - Apr 19 by gtsb1966 |
There are genuine asylum seekers yes but there are also a lot more who are economic migrants. They could've stayed in any country in Europe but no they chose to risk their lives crossing the channel at great expense, because they know this country is too soft. Many are single men who have criminal backgrounds hence the 12% of the prison population being made up of immigrants especially Albanians and Romanians. Yes we need immigrants for jobs i know that but it has to be done the correct way not jump on a boat without a passport and without a criminal background check. You can have your let them all in and then process them views all you like but my views are stop them before they get here. How many have managed to get here and then disappeared. They're my views and I stick by them. Call me racist if it makes you feel better. It doesn't bother me because wanting a controlled immigration system is not racist. That is my last comment on this subject. Happy Easter, enjoy the sunshine. |
I think this post cover's a lot of people concerns. Doesn't make them all racist |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 13:01 - Apr 19 with 623 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Another 700+ today on 12:51 - Apr 19 by Leaky |
I think this post cover's a lot of people concerns. Doesn't make them all racist |
So these economic migrants. You are talking about the people who keep the NHS going, provide veterinary services and enable our care system to not completely collapse. You would prefer those wanting to better their economic circumstances didn't have that opportunity and we suffered from a collapse of the NHS, bigger lack of vets and a total collapse of the care system?
"They could've stayed in any country in Europe but no they chose to risk their lives crossing the channel at great expense, because they know this country is too soft." I am not sure why you object to this country being considered a better place to live than one where human rights abuses, war and famine make it worth risking your lives to come to. Personally, I appreciate that. I still haven't had a satisfactory answer to my question of the person who thought that half the countries in Europe speak English. There are many reasons why immigrants might prefer to come to Britain than France, or wherever else they may have passed through to get here. Why do you think they are paying and risking their lives? It isn't because our laws are soft.
"Many are single men who have criminal backgrounds hence the 12% of the prison population being made up of immigrants especially Albanians and Romanians."
I am not sure where that stat comes from or why it would be crimes committed before they arrived that cause this. I suspect the stat is flawed as was pointed out when it was quoted from a very biased site full of misrepresentation previously.
As has been pointed out many times, those parties that love to push this narrative also have no intention of dealing with the "issue" as they gain votes from it. | |
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