| Another 700+ today 19:03 - Apr 15 with 27911 views | bluejacko |
Whatever your view on this crisis it is NOT sustainable!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cddezjy97vro
So much for the smash the gangs approach,Rwanda was not by any means perfect but it had migrants here in NI going down south to get away from it in such numbers that the Irish police actually started doing checks at the border! |  | | |  |
| Another 700+ today on 08:59 - Apr 17 with 2115 views | vapour_trail |
| Another 700+ today on 08:45 - Apr 17 by Leaky |
No I wasn't suggesting taking out the boats, I was just pointing out the technology available. As for cost it's one man looking at a computer screen. |
Amazing nobody else has come up with this instant solution to the whole issue. You should be put in charge.
Thanks for an early morning laugh mate. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 09:05 - Apr 17 with 2071 views | Leaky |
| Another 700+ today on 08:59 - Apr 17 by vapour_trail |
Amazing nobody else has come up with this instant solution to the whole issue. You should be put in charge.
Thanks for an early morning laugh mate. |
PleasedI lightened up your day . As for taking over the running things it would probably mean taking a pay cut so no thanks |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 09:08 - Apr 17 with 2055 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Another 700+ today on 08:45 - Apr 17 by Leaky |
No I wasn't suggesting taking out the boats, I was just pointing out the technology available. As for cost it's one man looking at a computer screen. |
Is he flying all the drones as well?
And does he have a jet pack to get down to the spot in time to stop them?
And also does he get a lunch break? |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 09:44 - Apr 17 with 2002 views | Leaky |
| Another 700+ today on 09:08 - Apr 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Is he flying all the drones as well?
And does he have a jet pack to get down to the spot in time to stop them?
And also does he get a lunch break? |
The point I am making is, that you have vunerable people being exploited by criminal's, there is technology availaball to stop this if the governments involved really wanted this activity stopped. | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 09:54 - Apr 17 with 1938 views | Mullet |
| Another 700+ today on 08:45 - Apr 17 by Leaky |
No I wasn't suggesting taking out the boats, I was just pointing out the technology available. As for cost it's one man looking at a computer screen. |
I didn’t think you were to be fair, but given what’s appeared here previously from some….
The problem is, you have to set up a satellite, even if you don’t launch one, whose do you use and how much to rent it permanently?
You have to have the right tech, employ the right people, find a logistics plan that means the man at the screen (you’ll need 3 or 4 minimum for 24/7) find an existing military unit/ company in the private sector that actually has the gear and manpower etc.
That’s before you even get started and have the relevant running costs and communication with the EU etc
If the government announced they were diverting funds to “stop the boats” that almost emptied the purse what’s the point? There’s nothing left for us then anyway. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 12:02 - Apr 17 with 1820 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Another 700+ today on 09:44 - Apr 17 by Leaky |
The point I am making is, that you have vunerable people being exploited by criminal's, there is technology availaball to stop this if the governments involved really wanted this activity stopped. |
And the point I am making is it's a lot more difficult than you seem to think. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 12:12 - Apr 17 with 1798 views | baxterbasics |
| Another 700+ today on 20:06 - Apr 15 by The_Major |
It is a demographic necessity to have immigration.
Look at a UK birth rate graph. See how high it was in the late fifties/early sixties. They're the folk coming up to retirement.
See how much lower it was in the late 2000s. They're the teenagers about to reach working age.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/liv
That's a big old gap. And even if you had full employment, you couldn't make that up.
And so, we're an aging population. That's one of the reasons why I, and others, have got to wait longer for our state pensions. There's less people paying into the system. When I started work, it was 65. It's now 67,and it wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being 70. For my 11 year old niece, she'll probably have to be 83 at this rate.
Plus, idiots like Farage then say the best way to counter this is for British people to have more babies. Well, unless something has changed in biology that I haven't noticed, even if people said "Righto Nige, we'll get right on it!", these babies won't be of working age until 2044.
Provide more legal and safe routes, vet thoroughly, keep to limits. |
Absolutely right to highlight the falling birth rate. Where immigration can be managed in a way to plug the gap it should be done.
But also we need more policies designed to promote families and having children. At least make it easier for those who want to. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 12:15 - Apr 17 with 1786 views | eireblue |
| Another 700+ today on 09:44 - Apr 17 by Leaky |
The point I am making is, that you have vunerable people being exploited by criminal's, there is technology availaball to stop this if the governments involved really wanted this activity stopped. |
The exploitation doesn’t happen on the French coast.
It happens at source, where people that are escaping things, don’t have options, like a safe route.
That isn’t prevented by a bloke in France looking at a TV screen.
Criminals aren’t roaming around the French coast hiring out boats, on the off chance a human wants to get across the channel. |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 12:21 - Apr 17 with 1757 views | Blueschev |
| Another 700+ today on 12:15 - Apr 17 by eireblue |
The exploitation doesn’t happen on the French coast.
It happens at source, where people that are escaping things, don’t have options, like a safe route.
That isn’t prevented by a bloke in France looking at a TV screen.
Criminals aren’t roaming around the French coast hiring out boats, on the off chance a human wants to get across the channel. |
Are you sure that's correct? I was under the impression that they simply skipped through Europe whistling 'we're in the money' until they reached Calais and jumped in a dingy, throwing their passports overboard as they set sail. |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 12:35 - Apr 17 with 1699 views | Ryorry |
| Another 700+ today on 12:12 - Apr 17 by baxterbasics |
Absolutely right to highlight the falling birth rate. Where immigration can be managed in a way to plug the gap it should be done.
But also we need more policies designed to promote families and having children. At least make it easier for those who want to. |
Haven’t got time to search, but I wonder if there are surveys out there showing whether today’s young people are put off having kids because of the climate crisis and eco considerations. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 12:55 - Apr 17 with 1665 views | EdwardStone |
| Another 700+ today on 06:53 - Apr 17 by noggin |
Wow! You're an intelligent man Lucan, so surely you know why young, strong, male family members are chosen to make the long, dangerous and exhausting journey to Europe?
Also, you say "I don’t accept most of these people are fleeing danger of their lives" Well I'm afraid the evidence doesn't back your belief up, so I can only presume you're trotting out this line because you heard people like Farage say it. Maybe you should look at the evidence rather than the xenophobic lies.
We should all want to 'stop the boats'. Not because Britain can't cope, but because people are drowning in the seas. [Post edited 17 Apr 7:04]
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About these "Military Age" men who make up the majority of the small boat arrivals
Picture the scene, if you will, in a tent/shelter in a refugee camp in let's say Syria
Family meeting.... extended family have been here for 2 years with seemingly no hope of being able to return to their previously fulfilling and sustainable life.
They are given food and shelter but not really any hope for a better life any time soon. They have all pooled their savings, flogged the last of their jewellery/assets and can just afford to send one of the family on a risky voyage to act as an advance party to a better life in Europe
One lone family member as a pioneer to hopefully get a foothold and be able, in the fullness of time, be able to send money back or maybe even send for other family members to come and join them to commence a new life and leave their current despair behind
Who to send?
Maybe Grandma? She is old and wise but she has bad arthritis and can hardly walk without pain. She might also struggle to get some labouring work in the destination country.... she's not as strong as she used to be
Maybe Grandfather? Old, infirm and partially blind, but still a possibility. Again, might struggle to find casual manual labour on account of his advanced years
Maybe young wife? Still nursing a babe in arms.... infant would have to go with her so might have to end up paying double fee to the traffickers for 2 places. Also, caring for the little one might cut across her time to sort out accomodation and employment going forward.
How about 8 year old daughter? How about late teenage daughter? Hard to imagine anything bad befalling either of them as an unaccompanied female on a long journey into the unknown
Or maybe, just maybe, the best option might be a 20 year old male.... strong, knows how to look after himself a bit and able to work hard when he finally reaches a destination
Which family member would be your best choice?
Perhaps, for a moment, people should think themselves into someone else's situation before using such terms as "Military Age Males"
There might actually be a sensible reason [Post edited 17 Apr 13:04]
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| Another 700+ today on 13:04 - Apr 17 with 1637 views | Whos_blue |
| Another 700+ today on 12:55 - Apr 17 by EdwardStone |
About these "Military Age" men who make up the majority of the small boat arrivals
Picture the scene, if you will, in a tent/shelter in a refugee camp in let's say Syria
Family meeting.... extended family have been here for 2 years with seemingly no hope of being able to return to their previously fulfilling and sustainable life.
They are given food and shelter but not really any hope for a better life any time soon. They have all pooled their savings, flogged the last of their jewellery/assets and can just afford to send one of the family on a risky voyage to act as an advance party to a better life in Europe
One lone family member as a pioneer to hopefully get a foothold and be able, in the fullness of time, be able to send money back or maybe even send for other family members to come and join them to commence a new life and leave their current despair behind
Who to send?
Maybe Grandma? She is old and wise but she has bad arthritis and can hardly walk without pain. She might also struggle to get some labouring work in the destination country.... she's not as strong as she used to be
Maybe Grandfather? Old, infirm and partially blind, but still a possibility. Again, might struggle to find casual manual labour on account of his advanced years
Maybe young wife? Still nursing a babe in arms.... infant would have to go with her so might have to end up paying double fee to the traffickers for 2 places. Also, caring for the little one might cut across her time to sort out accomodation and employment going forward.
How about 8 year old daughter? How about late teenage daughter? Hard to imagine anything bad befalling either of them as an unaccompanied female on a long journey into the unknown
Or maybe, just maybe, the best option might be a 20 year old male.... strong, knows how to look after himself a bit and able to work hard when he finally reaches a destination
Which family member would be your best choice?
Perhaps, for a moment, people should think themselves into someone else's situation before using such terms as "Military Age Males"
There might actually be a sensible reason [Post edited 17 Apr 13:04]
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| Another 700+ today on 13:22 - Apr 17 with 1587 views | Tonytown |
| Another 700+ today on 12:55 - Apr 17 by EdwardStone |
About these "Military Age" men who make up the majority of the small boat arrivals
Picture the scene, if you will, in a tent/shelter in a refugee camp in let's say Syria
Family meeting.... extended family have been here for 2 years with seemingly no hope of being able to return to their previously fulfilling and sustainable life.
They are given food and shelter but not really any hope for a better life any time soon. They have all pooled their savings, flogged the last of their jewellery/assets and can just afford to send one of the family on a risky voyage to act as an advance party to a better life in Europe
One lone family member as a pioneer to hopefully get a foothold and be able, in the fullness of time, be able to send money back or maybe even send for other family members to come and join them to commence a new life and leave their current despair behind
Who to send?
Maybe Grandma? She is old and wise but she has bad arthritis and can hardly walk without pain. She might also struggle to get some labouring work in the destination country.... she's not as strong as she used to be
Maybe Grandfather? Old, infirm and partially blind, but still a possibility. Again, might struggle to find casual manual labour on account of his advanced years
Maybe young wife? Still nursing a babe in arms.... infant would have to go with her so might have to end up paying double fee to the traffickers for 2 places. Also, caring for the little one might cut across her time to sort out accomodation and employment going forward.
How about 8 year old daughter? How about late teenage daughter? Hard to imagine anything bad befalling either of them as an unaccompanied female on a long journey into the unknown
Or maybe, just maybe, the best option might be a 20 year old male.... strong, knows how to look after himself a bit and able to work hard when he finally reaches a destination
Which family member would be your best choice?
Perhaps, for a moment, people should think themselves into someone else's situation before using such terms as "Military Age Males"
There might actually be a sensible reason [Post edited 17 Apr 13:04]
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But they are foreigners and many on here don’t like them, can’t understand them and wonder why they haven’t stopped in France or Italy before coming here (despite a number of people having answered that very question on the thread).
There’s also far to many of them as well (there aren’t really and the latest statistics from the government are on the thread too).
It must be something else, but what could that be???? [Post edited 17 Apr 13:22]
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| Another 700+ today on 13:36 - Apr 17 with 1516 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Another 700+ today on 13:22 - Apr 17 by Tonytown |
But they are foreigners and many on here don’t like them, can’t understand them and wonder why they haven’t stopped in France or Italy before coming here (despite a number of people having answered that very question on the thread).
There’s also far to many of them as well (there aren’t really and the latest statistics from the government are on the thread too).
It must be something else, but what could that be???? [Post edited 17 Apr 13:22]
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It's interesting that most seem happy to take in Ukrainian refugees, who also have to travel across several countries to get here. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 13:41 - Apr 17 with 1484 views | EdwardStone |
| Another 700+ today on 13:36 - Apr 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's interesting that most seem happy to take in Ukrainian refugees, who also have to travel across several countries to get here. |
Yes, a remarkable contrast to the welcome afforded to Syrian and Afghan refugees
Although I believe Ukranians are now being held in limbo because they were only given temporary leave to remain and these visas expire soon | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 13:46 - Apr 17 with 1461 views | EdwardStone |
| Another 700+ today on 13:04 - Apr 17 by Whos_blue |
Superb post.
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Thank you
The "Military Age Males" trope is deployed by gobsh1tes like Farage to suggest that somehow a secret army is being assembled under the guise of asylum
I detest it and all it implies
You wanna know what else boils my p1ss??
Travelodge kettles | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 13:53 - Apr 17 with 1417 views | Leaky |
| Another 700+ today on 13:46 - Apr 17 by EdwardStone |
Thank you
The "Military Age Males" trope is deployed by gobsh1tes like Farage to suggest that somehow a secret army is being assembled under the guise of asylum
I detest it and all it implies
You wanna know what else boils my p1ss??
Travelodge kettles |
Why would you want to boil you p1ss in a Travel lodge kettle. hope I'm not the next quest to get your room | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 14:01 - Apr 17 with 1360 views | EdwardStone |
| Another 700+ today on 13:53 - Apr 17 by Leaky |
Why would you want to boil you p1ss in a Travel lodge kettle. hope I'm not the next quest to get your room |
Just an old Gary Delaney joke....
Sorry if it left a bad taste | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 15:27 - Apr 17 with 1261 views | Leaky |
| Another 700+ today on 14:01 - Apr 17 by EdwardStone |
Just an old Gary Delaney joke....
Sorry if it left a bad taste |
Know it didn't leave a bad taste I washed the kettle out thanks for the heads up though | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 15:59 - Apr 17 with 1191 views | Tonytown |
| Another 700+ today on 13:36 - Apr 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's interesting that most seem happy to take in Ukrainian refugees, who also have to travel across several countries to get here. |
You mean white people, mmm what is it about the other refugees that they dislike??? | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 21:39 - Apr 17 with 973 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Another 700+ today on 20:23 - Apr 15 by portmanking |
No, I'm not saying geography trumps human rights. But if an immigrant from say, North Africa, reaches the UK they've likely travelled through the whole of Europe to get there.
Most European nations speak English and I *highly* doubt most of these immigrants crossing the Channel have families in the UK waiting for them. They'd be living with them instead of being put up in hotels, no? |
I might have missed this since I haven't been through all 9 pages. However, can you list a few of the most European nations which have English as an official language?
As for the thread generally, there is one thing for sure:
Most parties that gain votes from the issue will continue to demonise immigrants whilst making sure they don't do anything to solve the "problem" as it is a vote-winner.
Finally, I think there was some social experiment where a group posted some of the most horrific of pre-war Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda but with immigrant replacing the term Jew. They received a lot of support on social media when posting the comments. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 22:14 - Apr 17 with 932 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Another 700+ today on 21:39 - Apr 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I might have missed this since I haven't been through all 9 pages. However, can you list a few of the most European nations which have English as an official language?
As for the thread generally, there is one thing for sure:
Most parties that gain votes from the issue will continue to demonise immigrants whilst making sure they don't do anything to solve the "problem" as it is a vote-winner.
Finally, I think there was some social experiment where a group posted some of the most horrific of pre-war Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda but with immigrant replacing the term Jew. They received a lot of support on social media when posting the comments. |
A link from EU website on second languages.
Most spoken foreign languages in the EU
English is spoken by about half of the Europeans (47%) as a foreign or second language, notably increasing 5 percentage points since 2012. 7 out of 10 young Europeans can have a conversation in English, which is 9 percentage points more than in previous survey. After English, French (11%) German (10%) and Spanish (7%) are the most spoken foreign languages in the EU.
If you want the full article… https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/2979 |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 22:21 - Apr 17 with 923 views | bournemouthblue |
| Another 700+ today on 13:46 - Apr 17 by EdwardStone |
Thank you
The "Military Age Males" trope is deployed by gobsh1tes like Farage to suggest that somehow a secret army is being assembled under the guise of asylum
I detest it and all it implies
You wanna know what else boils my p1ss??
Travelodge kettles |
I shut someone down quickly by pointing out they're also working age, the sooner we process them, the sooner they can get on with their lives and start contributing to the economy
Let's be honest about it, the right wing gutter rags have spent their whole lives brainwashing idiots that the weak and vulnerable are the problem and not the bankers who crashed the economy in 2008 or the rich elites who pay next to no tax and wonder why we can't have nice things
Immigrants come to Britain to better themselves, we should be proud they want to come here and become Brits |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 22:53 - Apr 17 with 884 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Another 700+ today on 22:14 - Apr 17 by Pinewoodblue |
A link from EU website on second languages.
Most spoken foreign languages in the EU
English is spoken by about half of the Europeans (47%) as a foreign or second language, notably increasing 5 percentage points since 2012. 7 out of 10 young Europeans can have a conversation in English, which is 9 percentage points more than in previous survey. After English, French (11%) German (10%) and Spanish (7%) are the most spoken foreign languages in the EU.
If you want the full article… https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/2979 |
So many European countries have around 50% of their population who you could hold a conversation in English with should they choose to do so. Which is nothing like the same as half European countries speak English. | |
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