| Another 700+ today 19:03 - Apr 15 with 30631 views | bluejacko |
Whatever your view on this crisis it is NOT sustainable!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cddezjy97vro
So much for the smash the gangs approach,Rwanda was not by any means perfect but it had migrants here in NI going down south to get away from it in such numbers that the Irish police actually started doing checks at the border! |  | | |  |
| Another 700+ today on 10:48 - Apr 16 with 1342 views | Benters |
| Another 700+ today on 10:27 - Apr 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's nice to be kind, Benters. I bet you'd want us to be kind to you if you'd been unfortunate enough to be born into their situation.
Maybe think about how lucky you are... and then think about how you could help people who have been less lucky. |
Yes indeed my Mother and a lot of the other ladies from where I grew up helped people from Uganda in the 70s,in fact one of my best friends in school was a little boy who’s Father had been murdered by the forces in Uganda.
I just can’t believe that all those people in the dinghy’s are escaping war or famine. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 10:49 - Apr 16 with 1329 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Another 700+ today on 10:16 - Apr 16 by Benters |
We are too kind that’s the reason ba.
France give em tents and a bowl of slop we give em lovely warm hotels,hell I’d do it.
Two Tier wants them here. |
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| Another 700+ today on 10:49 - Apr 16 with 1326 views | bluelagos |
| Another 700+ today on 09:56 - Apr 16 by brazil1982 |
It is not a necessity to have uncontrollable immigration. There is a need for skilled workers with qualifications and there are routes to apply for a visa. There is nothing wrong with encouraging birth rates for an indigenous population, it's happening in Japan too. |
Encouraging higher birth rates is defo becoming a thing - and it is defo p*ssing in the wind in terms making a material difference.
Social habits? Economic constraints? Women's equality? Cost of child care?
Lots of reasons why we are having fewer babies and that trend is going to continue from what I can see. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 10:50 - Apr 16 with 1312 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Another 700+ today on 10:46 - Apr 16 by portmanking |
I believe it's possible to have limitless compassion and generosity and still acknowledge that the country's resources are anything but limitless. |
Not a lot of compassion from some on this thread though. | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 10:51 - Apr 16 with 1291 views | bluelagos |
| Another 700+ today on 10:48 - Apr 16 by Benters |
Yes indeed my Mother and a lot of the other ladies from where I grew up helped people from Uganda in the 70s,in fact one of my best friends in school was a little boy who’s Father had been murdered by the forces in Uganda.
I just can’t believe that all those people in the dinghy’s are escaping war or famine. |
Of course some of them are chancers - but given over 80% are given asylum then it's fair to say the majority are legitimate refugees.
So why wouldn't you want us to offer the same welcome to them that your mother did to people fleeing Uganda? | |
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| Another 700+ today on 10:54 - Apr 16 with 1278 views | The_Major |
| Another 700+ today on 10:49 - Apr 16 by bluelagos |
Encouraging higher birth rates is defo becoming a thing - and it is defo p*ssing in the wind in terms making a material difference.
Social habits? Economic constraints? Women's equality? Cost of child care?
Lots of reasons why we are having fewer babies and that trend is going to continue from what I can see. |
Worth pointing out that a lot of the people demanding higher birth rates are men.
Quite often the same men who think they have the right to tell a woman what she can do with her own body.
Quite often the same men who couldn't care less about the child when it is actually born. |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 10:57 - Apr 16 with 1253 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Another 700+ today on 10:51 - Apr 16 by bluelagos |
Of course some of them are chancers - but given over 80% are given asylum then it's fair to say the majority are legitimate refugees.
So why wouldn't you want us to offer the same welcome to them that your mother did to people fleeing Uganda? |
I think we can guess the answer | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 11:01 - Apr 16 with 1233 views | gtsb1966 |
| Another 700+ today on 10:21 - Apr 16 by Ryorry |
Talk about true colours. You had the opportunity to educate yourself on this thread, but failed miserably. |
No he's right. We are too soft hence the long trek across safe European countries to get here. |  | | |
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| Another 700+ today on 11:05 - Apr 16 with 1217 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Another 700+ today on 10:46 - Apr 16 by portmanking |
I believe it's possible to have limitless compassion and generosity and still acknowledge that the country's resources are anything but limitless. |
Our country's resources aren't running out because of immigrants. That's just the lie you've been fed. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 11:06 - Apr 16 with 1209 views | BarcaBlue |
| Another 700+ today on 11:01 - Apr 16 by gtsb1966 |
No he's right. We are too soft hence the long trek across safe European countries to get here. |
How does that explain other European countries receiving higher numbers than the UK? You and the poster from Bentley are just parroting Daily Mail / Farage nonsense without giving it much thought. |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 11:07 - Apr 16 with 1206 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Another 700+ today on 10:48 - Apr 16 by Benters |
Yes indeed my Mother and a lot of the other ladies from where I grew up helped people from Uganda in the 70s,in fact one of my best friends in school was a little boy who’s Father had been murdered by the forces in Uganda.
I just can’t believe that all those people in the dinghy’s are escaping war or famine. |
Even if some are wrong 'uns, is it best to just tar them all with the same brush or try to help like your mother and other ladies did? | |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Another 700+ today on 11:07 - Apr 16 with 1203 views | StokieBlue |
| Another 700+ today on 11:01 - Apr 16 by gtsb1966 |
No he's right. We are too soft hence the long trek across safe European countries to get here. |
What is your obsession with "safe European countries"?
It's irrelevant as has been pointed out and is a soundbite from the likes of Farage.
The reasons someone might move on have been highlighted by many. The implication that European countries don't take as many immigrants is also wrong.
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| Another 700+ today on 11:08 - Apr 16 with 1197 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Another 700+ today on 11:01 - Apr 16 by gtsb1966 |
No he's right. We are too soft hence the long trek across safe European countries to get here. |
Doesn't matter how many people explain this you just ignore it. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 11:13 - Apr 16 with 1172 views | portmanking |
| Another 700+ today on 11:05 - Apr 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Our country's resources aren't running out because of immigrants. That's just the lie you've been fed. |
So you believe migration levels are sustainable for the country's infrastructure? Cripes. | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 11:15 - Apr 16 with 1168 views | noggin |
| Another 700+ today on 10:21 - Apr 16 by Blueschev |
You'd risk your life to stay in a crap hotel, live on a pittance, not be able to work, have 90% of the press dehumanise you, be separated from your family, separated from your homeland, fear being attacked by far right mobs etc? Something tells me that you wouldn't. |
Also, they are no longer hotels when they become asylum centres. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 11:19 - Apr 16 with 1155 views | Benters |
| Another 700+ today on 10:51 - Apr 16 by bluelagos |
Of course some of them are chancers - but given over 80% are given asylum then it's fair to say the majority are legitimate refugees.
So why wouldn't you want us to offer the same welcome to them that your mother did to people fleeing Uganda? |
I guess my honest answer to that is we can’t keep taking the numbers in that are showing up daily.
We are only a small Island after all. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 11:21 - Apr 16 with 1136 views | noggin |
| Another 700+ today on 11:13 - Apr 16 by portmanking |
So you believe migration levels are sustainable for the country's infrastructure? Cripes. |
Very much so, if we're talking about the numbers arriving on small boats. Your anger would be better aimed at the criminal underfunding of the public services. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 11:23 - Apr 16 with 1129 views | StokieBlue |
| Another 700+ today on 11:19 - Apr 16 by Benters |
I guess my honest answer to that is we can’t keep taking the numbers in that are showing up daily.
We are only a small Island after all. |
Three days in the last seven the number was 0:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrants-detected-crossing-the-englis
We may be a small island but we a have the 6th biggest GDP in the world.
Perhaps with reflecting on how that money is spent rather than worrying about a few extra people.
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| Another 700+ today on 11:52 - Apr 16 with 1057 views | Leaky |
| Another 700+ today on 08:06 - Apr 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I think we want to stop people dying in boats, that's the difference. |
Its an illegal trade in people, how on earth Interpol havn't stopped this by now heaven knows. All those dingy's & engines are comming from somewhere, ther must be a paper trail or away of tracking the production & transportation. I think some high up people in Europe are getting well paid to turn a blind eye. |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 12:03 - Apr 16 with 1025 views | NedPlimpton |
We're not even a small island though
9th largest in the world and far more habitable than some larger ones like Baffin
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_by_area
This isn't an issue of limited resources or being "full". It's one of looking to find a scapegoat for years and years of poor government decisions including austerity and brexit |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 12:04 - Apr 16 with 1021 views | Double_Dutch |
| Another 700+ today on 23:32 - Apr 15 by Herbivore |
And in tomorrow's episode of things that didn't really happen....... |
My post was in response to the claim, that the posters brother in law and wife, were both racist, as they didn't wish to enter into Ipswich town centre because of foreigners. I know a good number of local to me, both elderly and female Ipswich residents, who equally do not believe that the town centre is over welcoming or safe, it does not mean, that they are racist! I do not agree with placing people into specific groups as soon as their viewpoint is different to yours, which is what I took exception too. This happens all too frequently on this message board, whether it be immigration, red or blue, Brexit etc, which is why I generally stay away from entering the discussion.
The conversation with the junior doctor, did not take place at the hospital, they were a client of mine. It resulted from a conversation around immigration, where I asked whether they had been racially abused while in the UK. I was told, that during a group discussion at work, this subject was discussed and, the individuals involved in said discussion, agreed that they had received racial abuse both within and outside the work place, but, primarily not by British nationals, but from other immigrants. I was then asked the question about the high percentage of Romanians in Ipswich. I didn't feel the need to drill down into migration numbers or which clinic, ward, department or shift pattern, that they worked to have this viewpoint, I simply answered, that there was no government agreement to send Romanians to Ipswich. The junior doctor worked within the A & E department and, has subsequently moved to Cambridge.
The initial post is entirely true. My client base includes people of many different nationalities and, it is very interesting to listen to their experience of living and working in the UK.
I hope that this answers the questions posed to my original post. I have no desire to continue any further with this thread and, will resume my policy of staying away from both immigration and political threads in future. |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 12:07 - Apr 16 with 1022 views | Trequartista |
I can't believe in this day and age with drone technology etc that France can't do more about this. Sure, it's our problem as well and we need to contribute. Labour seem to have done absolutely nothing except strong words. People are going to die, there must be more that can be done. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 12:15 - Apr 16 with 981 views | Herbivore |
| Another 700+ today on 10:48 - Apr 16 by Benters |
Yes indeed my Mother and a lot of the other ladies from where I grew up helped people from Uganda in the 70s,in fact one of my best friends in school was a little boy who’s Father had been murdered by the forces in Uganda.
I just can’t believe that all those people in the dinghy’s are escaping war or famine. |
The most recent stats show about half of asylum claims are successful*, so you are right that not everyone coming here has a legitimate claim and in a functioning system, those people are processed quickly and then sent back. Ironically given your political leanings, the Tories weren't doing that at all, whereas Labour are doing a much more effective job in that regard.
* At first application stage, some more then successfully appeal. [Post edited 16 Apr 12:32]
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| Another 700+ today on 12:40 - Apr 16 with 895 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Another 700+ today on 12:15 - Apr 16 by Herbivore |
The most recent stats show about half of asylum claims are successful*, so you are right that not everyone coming here has a legitimate claim and in a functioning system, those people are processed quickly and then sent back. Ironically given your political leanings, the Tories weren't doing that at all, whereas Labour are doing a much more effective job in that regard.
* At first application stage, some more then successfully appeal. [Post edited 16 Apr 12:32]
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It’s amazing the lack of critical thinking on here even when sufficient information is provided by others to enable them to look at the facts.
The Daily Mail & Farage just pander to the hard of thinking and have been very successful with that approach. I suppose it’s right to acknowledge that they have spotted a gap in the market and have exploited it. | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 12:48 - Apr 16 with 870 views | Herbivore |
| Another 700+ today on 12:07 - Apr 16 by Trequartista |
I can't believe in this day and age with drone technology etc that France can't do more about this. Sure, it's our problem as well and we need to contribute. Labour seem to have done absolutely nothing except strong words. People are going to die, there must be more that can be done. |
Like what? It's a massive stretch of coastline. | |
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