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So much for the smash the gangs approach,Rwanda was not by any means perfect but it had migrants here in NI going down south to get away from it in such numbers that the Irish police actually started doing checks at the border!
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Another 700+ today on 20:27 - Apr 15 with 1697 views
Another 700+ today on 20:15 - Apr 15 by StokieBlue
You should direct your anger towards the Tories and Brexit, they caused a lot of this mess.
Anyone advocating the Rwanda policy needs to take a long look at themselves.
Given your posting history I doubt you voted for Labour so you can't really call them out on their manifesto.
SB
Rwanda was an absolute nonsense. It would have made the merest dent in the statistics. Especially when you consider that it was a reciprocal agreement - we would have to take a number of their asylum seekers as well.
As ever on this subject, some people just take the utter filth spouted by the Mail and Telegraph as gospel without doing their own research. They're also the ones who yell the loudest about "Christian values" whilst displaying values which would cause Jesus to go all moneylenders-in-the-temple on them if he ever returns.
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Another 700+ today on 20:28 - Apr 15 with 1694 views
They offered to build a processing centre in France but the previous UK Tory government was so concerned by the boats issue they turned the offer down.
Didn't we commit £500m to pay towards this back in 2023?
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Another 700+ today on 20:30 - Apr 15 with 1674 views
Another 700+ today on 20:10 - Apr 15 by portmanking
You pick them up and take them back to the shores of France in a dignified fashion.
What gets my goat the most is that these people have come through MULTIPLE safe countries en-route to the UK. They've had multiple opportunities to seek asylum in safe nations, especially France, but choose to come across to the UK. I wonder why?
If these men of fighting age are *genuinely* fleeing poverty and war-torn nations, why wouldn't they settle for the first safe nation they land in?
[Post edited 15 Apr 20:12]
Perhaps having stolen their countries' resources to make us 'Great' they feel we owe them.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Another 700+ today on 20:23 - Apr 15 by portmanking
No, I'm not saying geography trumps human rights. But if an immigrant from say, North Africa, reaches the UK they've likely travelled through the whole of Europe to get there.
Most European nations speak English and I *highly* doubt most of these immigrants crossing the Channel have families in the UK waiting for them. They'd be living with them instead of being put up in hotels, no?
"No, I'm not saying geography trumps human rights. But if an immigrant from say, North Africa, reaches the UK they've likely travelled through the whole of Europe to get there.
Why does it matter where they travelled from? There is no law saying they have to stop at a certain country regardless of how many times you repeat it.
"Most European nations speak English and I *highly* doubt most of these immigrants crossing the Channel have families in the UK waiting for them. They'd be living with them instead of being put up in hotels, no?"
There could be lots of reasons why they wouldn't live with family, the first one being that they aren't allowed to because they have been arrested and sent to a hotel - a course of action you want so you can't make an argument like you have when you eliminate the possibility in your initial opinion.
The point about English is nonsensical. No European country will have as many fluent English speakers as the UK.
SB
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Another 700+ today on 20:41 - Apr 15 with 1605 views
Another 700+ today on 20:10 - Apr 15 by portmanking
You pick them up and take them back to the shores of France in a dignified fashion.
What gets my goat the most is that these people have come through MULTIPLE safe countries en-route to the UK. They've had multiple opportunities to seek asylum in safe nations, especially France, but choose to come across to the UK. I wonder why?
If these men of fighting age are *genuinely* fleeing poverty and war-torn nations, why wouldn't they settle for the first safe nation they land in?
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I wouldn’t let asylum seekers get your goat - they’re a tiny part of the immigration numbers and a lot are approved, which means we believe they are genuinely escaping a life far worse than any of ours. Most reasonable countries have agreed to do their bit to help.
There’s also no requirement for asylum seekers to apply in the first country they pass through (and imagine how you’d feel if there was and we were that first country!).
We need a functioning, rapid asylum process. The trouble is, much like all other public services over the last 15 years, it’s been run into the ground. It’s going to take time to repair.
And then to put all this into context, last year saw a massive drop in normal (non-asylum) net migration and it’s forecast to continue dropping as tighter visa requirements have been introduced (that will please those who hate immigrants, but it’s not all good news because we’re losing the income from students and the contributions from workers).
Well that didn’t take long did it? Please explain where what I posted was in anyway racist! Legal and safe routes exist,how do you think the majority of migrants get here? Just for some info it is currently costing the taxpayer £147.63 a day just to pay for the hotels add on to that the cost of other accommodation being used and it’s costing an absolute fortune. Still if you all want to bury your heads in the sand and pretend every one of the boat people are fleeing war and persecution more fool you! Let alone the fact we have no idea where they are from as documents etc are ditched in the water on the way across Just to make clear in my view legal migration is too high but if they are here through the proper channels fair enough! If that makes me racist call the cops👍
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Another 700+ today on 20:46 - Apr 15 with 1573 views
Another 700+ today on 20:36 - Apr 15 by StokieBlue
"No, I'm not saying geography trumps human rights. But if an immigrant from say, North Africa, reaches the UK they've likely travelled through the whole of Europe to get there.
Why does it matter where they travelled from? There is no law saying they have to stop at a certain country regardless of how many times you repeat it.
"Most European nations speak English and I *highly* doubt most of these immigrants crossing the Channel have families in the UK waiting for them. They'd be living with them instead of being put up in hotels, no?"
There could be lots of reasons why they wouldn't live with family, the first one being that they aren't allowed to because they have been arrested and sent to a hotel - a course of action you want so you can't make an argument like you have when you eliminate the possibility in your initial opinion.
The point about English is nonsensical. No European country will have as many fluent English speakers as the UK.
SB
I'm fully aware of the Refugee Convention. I'm just saying that they have ample opportunity to stay in good, civilised European nations with sound economies to live and work, but so many continue to pursue the UK.
I'm all for controlled immigration, encouraging people from all four corners of the globe that can add genuine value to our industries. But, for me, they also need to embrace our cultural values too.
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Another 700+ today on 20:54 - Apr 15 with 1545 views
Another 700+ today on 20:46 - Apr 15 by portmanking
I'm fully aware of the Refugee Convention. I'm just saying that they have ample opportunity to stay in good, civilised European nations with sound economies to live and work, but so many continue to pursue the UK.
I'm all for controlled immigration, encouraging people from all four corners of the globe that can add genuine value to our industries. But, for me, they also need to embrace our cultural values too.
I don't disagree with the cultural values bit but it's a bit rich for us to say that when we left most of the Afghan translators and people who helped our armed forces fight the Taliban to their fate.
How many Kurds have we taken who fought IS for us?
I don't disagree with the cultural values bit but it's a bit rich for us to say that when we left most of the Afghan translators and people who helped our armed forces fight the Taliban to their fate.
How many Kurds have we taken who fought IS for us?
That's a very different story though, right? Unless the bulk of the 700 on boats today and the thousands that have arrived so far this year were Afghan translators?
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Another 700+ today on 21:09 - Apr 15 with 1479 views
I don't disagree with the cultural values bit but it's a bit rich for us to say that when we left most of the Afghan translators and people who helped our armed forces fight the Taliban to their fate.
How many Kurds have we taken who fought IS for us?
The Afghanistani thing was an absolute disgrace but I’m not sure if we had complete control over that - I don’t know.
I don’t give a monkey toss about where people come from as long as they are decent people.
The governments first point of call though is to protect its people and letting in huge numbers of passportless immigrants is certainly not the way to go.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
"As FactCheck has previously reported, it’s illegal to enter the country without a visa or special permission – but people who arrive by small boat are protected by international law if they claim asylum once they arrive."
"As FactCheck has previously reported, it’s illegal to enter the country without a visa or special permission – but people who arrive by small boat are protected by international law if they claim asylum once they arrive."
I think Gerry is suggesting they didn’t enter multiple countries through Europe by small boat, unless of course they built a new canal system.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Another 700+ today on 21:07 - Apr 15 by portmanking
That's a very different story though, right? Unless the bulk of the 700 on boats today and the thousands that have arrived so far this year were Afghan translators?
It is, but it's relevant to the point. Immigration is such a political nightmare for Labour/Tories that they don't even take those who have risked their lives proving they share our values.
We need to re-join the EU. We screwed up. I personally screwed up.
It is, but it's relevant to the point. Immigration is such a political nightmare for Labour/Tories that they don't even take those who have risked their lives proving they share our values.
We need to re-join the EU. We screwed up. I personally screwed up.
I voted remain but what is done is done - feck the EU anyway.
....and Germany, Italy, France, Sweden etc have as much of a problem with migrants as we do.
It's Migrant Whiff Waff.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Yet our politicians of all persuasions except maybe the SNP are afraid of making that argument.
We literally need migrants now and in the future. And I honestly believe (because the birth rates are dropping all over Europe) that in maybe 20 years time we will be fighting to attract them.
The demonising of migrants is a particularly unpleasant habit of many.
my racist brother in law and his wife say they wont go ipswich because of all the foreigners. i reply to them you must hate going to heath road hospital. which they both have to go quite regular. their answer is no and why do you say that. well most of the people who work there are foreigners i reply. silence for a few mins then comes well thats different. how i dont know how
forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows
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Another 700+ today on 22:40 - Apr 15 with 1253 views
700 people arriving on boats in the UK today isn't a crisis really though, is it? I mean that's how it's painted by a lot of the media and politicians but it's hardly a crisis. Same as in Spain, which receives a fair number of people arriving on boats every day. This wasn't a crisis for the general public until a certain group of politicians claimed it was, or sectors of the media started to blame economic problems on immigration.
Spanish workers used to go to France en masse for the grape harvest, Andalucians used to travel north to find work on construction projects, people from African countries were encuraged to come to Catalonia for the fruit harvest, Eastern European to Lincolnshire on the vegetable farms etc etc etc. It's only become a crisis when the mantra is repeated enough, when there are claims the country is full and they're only here to rape our women and pillage the NHS and social housing.
There have always been people entering and working illegally. I've done it myself. Maybe numbers are a bit higher now but nothing that constitutes a crisis for the local population. I don't follow what's happening in the UK so closely but in Catalonia there's a real problem now finding enough people to work on the fruit farms as governments have decided that immigration is a bad thing and are preoccupied by absolute numbers. I assume similar things are happening all over Europe.
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Another 700+ today on 22:41 - Apr 15 with 1254 views
my racist brother in law and his wife say they wont go ipswich because of all the foreigners. i reply to them you must hate going to heath road hospital. which they both have to go quite regular. their answer is no and why do you say that. well most of the people who work there are foreigners i reply. silence for a few mins then comes well thats different. how i dont know how
I have contact with a good number of these "foreigners" who work at Ipswich hospital and, it would perhaps be beneficial for you to have a chat with these foreigners and, listen to their concerns about immigration, before you persecute family members, or would said foreigners also be bracketed into your "racist" category. Its very easy to continually bandy around the word racist as soon as someone has a different opinion to yourself!
I was asked by a junior doctor from Iran, do the UK government have an agreement to send all Romanian nationals to Ipswich, as the majority of patients we see and treat are almost 50% Romanian, would they be racist?
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Another 700+ today on 23:24 - Apr 15 with 1183 views
Well that didn’t take long did it? Please explain where what I posted was in anyway racist! Legal and safe routes exist,how do you think the majority of migrants get here? Just for some info it is currently costing the taxpayer £147.63 a day just to pay for the hotels add on to that the cost of other accommodation being used and it’s costing an absolute fortune. Still if you all want to bury your heads in the sand and pretend every one of the boat people are fleeing war and persecution more fool you! Let alone the fact we have no idea where they are from as documents etc are ditched in the water on the way across Just to make clear in my view legal migration is too high but if they are here through the proper channels fair enough! If that makes me racist call the cops👍
You are Nigel Farage and I claim £5.
I bet some of your best friends are……
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Another 700+ today on 23:32 - Apr 15 with 1156 views
Another 700+ today on 22:41 - Apr 15 by Double_Dutch
I have contact with a good number of these "foreigners" who work at Ipswich hospital and, it would perhaps be beneficial for you to have a chat with these foreigners and, listen to their concerns about immigration, before you persecute family members, or would said foreigners also be bracketed into your "racist" category. Its very easy to continually bandy around the word racist as soon as someone has a different opinion to yourself!
I was asked by a junior doctor from Iran, do the UK government have an agreement to send all Romanian nationals to Ipswich, as the majority of patients we see and treat are almost 50% Romanian, would they be racist?
And in tomorrow's episode of things that didn't really happen.......
And in tomorrow's episode of things that didn't really happen.......
Why are you questioning him, what do you know?
My wifes cousin is in Ipswich hospital on the front desk of one of the wards and is constantly moaning about the same kinda thing. She's been there since the year dot.
She's black by the way.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Another 700+ today on 22:41 - Apr 15 by Double_Dutch
I have contact with a good number of these "foreigners" who work at Ipswich hospital and, it would perhaps be beneficial for you to have a chat with these foreigners and, listen to their concerns about immigration, before you persecute family members, or would said foreigners also be bracketed into your "racist" category. Its very easy to continually bandy around the word racist as soon as someone has a different opinion to yourself!
I was asked by a junior doctor from Iran, do the UK government have an agreement to send all Romanian nationals to Ipswich, as the majority of patients we see and treat are almost 50% Romanian, would they be racist?
persecute what are you on about. i said he was a racist as he admits he is.
forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows
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Another 700+ today on 23:50 - Apr 15 with 1115 views
Another 700+ today on 22:41 - Apr 15 by Double_Dutch
I have contact with a good number of these "foreigners" who work at Ipswich hospital and, it would perhaps be beneficial for you to have a chat with these foreigners and, listen to their concerns about immigration, before you persecute family members, or would said foreigners also be bracketed into your "racist" category. Its very easy to continually bandy around the word racist as soon as someone has a different opinion to yourself!
I was asked by a junior doctor from Iran, do the UK government have an agreement to send all Romanian nationals to Ipswich, as the majority of patients we see and treat are almost 50% Romanian, would they be racist?
About 3% of the population of Ipswich was Romanian.
A doctor faced with 50% of their patients coming from 3% of the population, should be more concerned about the disparity in health, surely?
Or they are misreporting the numbers, in order to make a comment.
Do you have any demographic data to back up that 50% of people being seen by Junior doctors are Romanian?
If not, and you do have someone making exaggerated claims about a section of society, that are untrue, what is the correct term to use?
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