| Another 700+ today 19:03 - Apr 15 with 30479 views | bluejacko |
Whatever your view on this crisis it is NOT sustainable!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cddezjy97vro
So much for the smash the gangs approach,Rwanda was not by any means perfect but it had migrants here in NI going down south to get away from it in such numbers that the Irish police actually started doing checks at the border! |  | | |  |
| Another 700+ today on 07:46 - Apr 16 with 1640 views | tivo |
| Another 700+ today on 20:10 - Apr 15 by portmanking |
You pick them up and take them back to the shores of France in a dignified fashion.
What gets my goat the most is that these people have come through MULTIPLE safe countries en-route to the UK. They've had multiple opportunities to seek asylum in safe nations, especially France, but choose to come across to the UK. I wonder why?
If these men of fighting age are *genuinely* fleeing poverty and war-torn nations, why wouldn't they settle for the first safe nation they land in? [Post edited 15 Apr 20:12]
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If you were fleeing war and were in Papua New Guinea where you didn't speak the language and had no connections, would you keep going to Australia? or stay in PNG? [Post edited 16 Apr 7:50]
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| Another 700+ today on 08:06 - Apr 16 with 1611 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Another 700+ today on 07:36 - Apr 16 by bluejacko |
So what was Labours pledge then? Wasn’t it “we will stop the boats by smashing the gangs” was I wrong in hearing Cooper spout this constantly?
All of you calling people racist for wanting the boats stopped should by your own logic be calling the Govt (of any colour) racist for trying to stop them! |
I think we want to stop people dying in boats, that's the difference. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 08:10 - Apr 16 with 1602 views | Crawfordsboot |
You and some of the other posters on here might be interested to know that approximately 478,000 migrants emigrated from these shores last year!
Whatever your views this is not sustainable - we need more immigrants who are keen to build a future. Particularly so given the number of Brits who appear not to be overly keen to work!
Someone has to pay my pension [Post edited 16 Apr 8:16]
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| Another 700+ today on 08:17 - Apr 16 with 1590 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Blimey. There are a LOT of true colours being flown on this post. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 08:23 - Apr 16 with 1555 views | Keno |
So basically we are 1300 people worse off and we need more little boats
its like Dunkirk all over again |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 08:40 - Apr 16 with 1495 views | mrshallisfit |
| Another 700+ today on 07:46 - Apr 16 by noggin |
"They don't have to risk their lives though do they."
They do, if they want to claim asylum in the UK. Do you think Britain should be exempt from It's responsibility to refugees? |
I think you know his real answer to that. Yes the UK should be exempt. Let all the other countries in Europe take them (the majority of these asylum seekers are presently taken in by other European countries anyway). Thank God there weren't any like minded individuals in the UK Government in the late 1930s. We wouldn't have saved over 12000 Kindertransport kids. | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 09:00 - Apr 16 with 1447 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Another 700+ today on 08:40 - Apr 16 by mrshallisfit |
I think you know his real answer to that. Yes the UK should be exempt. Let all the other countries in Europe take them (the majority of these asylum seekers are presently taken in by other European countries anyway). Thank God there weren't any like minded individuals in the UK Government in the late 1930s. We wouldn't have saved over 12000 Kindertransport kids. |
We have a lot of Nimbies in this country unfortunately. Look after no.1 and sod everyone else. They don't seem to realise it's only a fluke that they happened to be born here and not in one of these poor/oppressive/war-torn and/or famine-ridden countries. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 09:06 - Apr 16 with 1433 views | soupytwist |
| Another 700+ today on 08:40 - Apr 16 by mrshallisfit |
I think you know his real answer to that. Yes the UK should be exempt. Let all the other countries in Europe take them (the majority of these asylum seekers are presently taken in by other European countries anyway). Thank God there weren't any like minded individuals in the UK Government in the late 1930s. We wouldn't have saved over 12000 Kindertransport kids. |
And while the Kindertransport was a fantastic thing, even then we weren't prepared* to undertake an "Erwachsenetransport" or just "Menschentransport".
* - the efforts of various individuals to save people through different means notwithstanding. |  | | |
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| Another 700+ today on 09:08 - Apr 16 with 1427 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Another 700+ today on 09:00 - Apr 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We have a lot of Nimbies in this country unfortunately. Look after no.1 and sod everyone else. They don't seem to realise it's only a fluke that they happened to be born here and not in one of these poor/oppressive/war-torn and/or famine-ridden countries. |
It’s not luck it’s skill and their hard work | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 09:26 - Apr 16 with 1351 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Another 700+ today on 08:17 - Apr 16 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Blimey. There are a LOT of true colours being flown on this post. |
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| Another 700+ today on 09:56 - Apr 16 with 1273 views | brazil1982 |
| Another 700+ today on 20:06 - Apr 15 by The_Major |
It is a demographic necessity to have immigration.
Look at a UK birth rate graph. See how high it was in the late fifties/early sixties. They're the folk coming up to retirement.
See how much lower it was in the late 2000s. They're the teenagers about to reach working age.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/liv
That's a big old gap. And even if you had full employment, you couldn't make that up.
And so, we're an aging population. That's one of the reasons why I, and others, have got to wait longer for our state pensions. There's less people paying into the system. When I started work, it was 65. It's now 67,and it wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being 70. For my 11 year old niece, she'll probably have to be 83 at this rate.
Plus, idiots like Farage then say the best way to counter this is for British people to have more babies. Well, unless something has changed in biology that I haven't noticed, even if people said "Righto Nige, we'll get right on it!", these babies won't be of working age until 2044.
Provide more legal and safe routes, vet thoroughly, keep to limits. |
It is not a necessity to have uncontrollable immigration. There is a need for skilled workers with qualifications and there are routes to apply for a visa. There is nothing wrong with encouraging birth rates for an indigenous population, it's happening in Japan too. |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 09:56 - Apr 16 with 1268 views | Mullet |
I think "Rwanda was not by any means perfect" is an astounding understatement. The Tories wasted billions, shamed us internationally right back to the May's vans etc. and have made a climate that is completely un-British and unpatriotic haven't they?
We've had a local hotel taken over and it caused all sorts of nonsense and lies, alongside protests and counter protests from a handful of people. But there is a massive issue of people thinking Britain is hit particularly hard by this (we aren't compared to Italy, Greece, Germany etc) and that we didn't want to do more to work with the French etc when we should have.
The biggest issue is the mid to high level criminals fuelling this. Not the lads working cash in hand and being exploited, but the people doing it to make as much money as possible in various ways. That's what feeds into drugs, weapons, money laundering and multiple other illegal industries once the people smuggling is done. Even then we are talking fractions of a fraction of people.
Britain isn't full it's badly run for decades, and the wealth disparity is getting worse. People are being coaxed into punching down to avoid looking at the top and it works every time. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 10:05 - Apr 16 with 1220 views | Mullet |
| Another 700+ today on 09:56 - Apr 16 by brazil1982 |
It is not a necessity to have uncontrollable immigration. There is a need for skilled workers with qualifications and there are routes to apply for a visa. There is nothing wrong with encouraging birth rates for an indigenous population, it's happening in Japan too. |
How do people in their 20s and 30s have kids when they can't afford housing? When the job market isn't stable? When education, the police and public services have been cut to the bone for their lifetimes? | |
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| Another 700+ today on 10:12 - Apr 16 with 1172 views | Ryorry |
| Another 700+ today on 09:56 - Apr 16 by Mullet |
I think "Rwanda was not by any means perfect" is an astounding understatement. The Tories wasted billions, shamed us internationally right back to the May's vans etc. and have made a climate that is completely un-British and unpatriotic haven't they?
We've had a local hotel taken over and it caused all sorts of nonsense and lies, alongside protests and counter protests from a handful of people. But there is a massive issue of people thinking Britain is hit particularly hard by this (we aren't compared to Italy, Greece, Germany etc) and that we didn't want to do more to work with the French etc when we should have.
The biggest issue is the mid to high level criminals fuelling this. Not the lads working cash in hand and being exploited, but the people doing it to make as much money as possible in various ways. That's what feeds into drugs, weapons, money laundering and multiple other illegal industries once the people smuggling is done. Even then we are talking fractions of a fraction of people.
Britain isn't full it's badly run for decades, and the wealth disparity is getting worse. People are being coaxed into punching down to avoid looking at the top and it works every time. |
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| Another 700+ today on 10:14 - Apr 16 with 1170 views | Blueschev |
| Another 700+ today on 09:56 - Apr 16 by brazil1982 |
It is not a necessity to have uncontrollable immigration. There is a need for skilled workers with qualifications and there are routes to apply for a visa. There is nothing wrong with encouraging birth rates for an indigenous population, it's happening in Japan too. |
Is that true though, or just what right wing grifters like Farage say to justify rich foreigners not being held to the same standards? Take the service industry as an example, it's an understaffed sector crying out for unskilled workers who largely went home in the wake of Brexit. These were in the most part young people who paid in to the system whilst taking very little out. |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 10:16 - Apr 16 with 1162 views | Benters |
| Another 700+ today on 07:32 - Apr 16 by gtsb1966 |
They don't have to risk their lives though do they. They've already made it to that safe area known as Europe. |
We are too kind that’s the reason ba.
France give em tents and a bowl of slop we give em lovely warm hotels,hell I’d do it.
Two Tier wants them here. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 10:21 - Apr 16 with 1134 views | Blueschev |
| Another 700+ today on 10:16 - Apr 16 by Benters |
We are too kind that’s the reason ba.
France give em tents and a bowl of slop we give em lovely warm hotels,hell I’d do it.
Two Tier wants them here. |
You'd risk your life to stay in a crap hotel, live on a pittance, not be able to work, have 90% of the press dehumanise you, be separated from your family, separated from your homeland, fear being attacked by far right mobs etc? Something tells me that you wouldn't. | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 10:21 - Apr 16 with 1126 views | Ryorry |
| Another 700+ today on 10:16 - Apr 16 by Benters |
We are too kind that’s the reason ba.
France give em tents and a bowl of slop we give em lovely warm hotels,hell I’d do it.
Two Tier wants them here. |
Talk about true colours. You had the opportunity to educate yourself on this thread, but failed miserably. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 10:27 - Apr 16 with 1099 views | DJR |
Irregular migration is an issue in many areas of the World. Indeed, roughly 125 million people have fled their country due to war etc, and many other countries have far more irregular migrants than the UK. In the US, it is estimated there are 12 million such people.
In Britain, those crossing by boat make up a relatively small proportion of those entering the country, but Sunak's focus was on those people, whilst at the same time he gave the green light to regular migration.
As it is, Sunak has admitted that the Stop the Boats pledge couldn't be delivered.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/rishi-sunak-admits-stop-the-boats-ple [Post edited 16 Apr 10:28]
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| Another 700+ today on 10:27 - Apr 16 with 1090 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Another 700+ today on 10:16 - Apr 16 by Benters |
We are too kind that’s the reason ba.
France give em tents and a bowl of slop we give em lovely warm hotels,hell I’d do it.
Two Tier wants them here. |
It's nice to be kind, Benters. I bet you'd want us to be kind to you if you'd been unfortunate enough to be born into their situation.
Maybe think about how lucky you are... and then think about how you could help people who have been less lucky. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 10:32 - Apr 16 with 1069 views | Whos_blue |
| Another 700+ today on 10:16 - Apr 16 by Benters |
We are too kind that’s the reason ba.
France give em tents and a bowl of slop we give em lovely warm hotels,hell I’d do it.
Two Tier wants them here. |
Is "too kind" even a thing Benters?
Isn't that a virtue we should all aspire to?
I do struggle a bit with the concept that "this once great country" is in a mess and it's somehow partly the fault of migrants. We're an island so our very existance is built on the concept of migration. No British people appeared mysteriously out of the peat fens. Every one of the first settlers migrated here and has been the case ever since, so mgration can't be the over arching issue. I'm guessing for some it's the type of person now looking to migrate here. We're told they're a scourge on our services, communities etc, so it must be true, right? Much of our industrial infrastructure is thanks to the hard work of migrants. I'm thinking of the Navies, the Windrush generation and more recently the Scottish migration into towns like Corby.
Much of this post isn't aimed at you specifically Benters, but it just started to flow as a general comment as I started to type! [Post edited 16 Apr 10:36]
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| Another 700+ today on 10:41 - Apr 16 with 1033 views | bluelagos |
| Another 700+ today on 10:21 - Apr 16 by Blueschev |
You'd risk your life to stay in a crap hotel, live on a pittance, not be able to work, have 90% of the press dehumanise you, be separated from your family, separated from your homeland, fear being attacked by far right mobs etc? Something tells me that you wouldn't. |
He's from Bentley tbf |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 10:43 - Apr 16 with 1008 views | StokieBlue |
| Another 700+ today on 10:16 - Apr 16 by Benters |
We are too kind that’s the reason ba.
France give em tents and a bowl of slop we give em lovely warm hotels,hell I’d do it.
Two Tier wants them here. |
It was only matter of time.
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| Another 700+ today on 10:45 - Apr 16 with 993 views | The_Major |
| Another 700+ today on 09:56 - Apr 16 by brazil1982 |
It is not a necessity to have uncontrollable immigration. There is a need for skilled workers with qualifications and there are routes to apply for a visa. There is nothing wrong with encouraging birth rates for an indigenous population, it's happening in Japan too. |
Where did I use the word uncontrollable?
Also, I refer you to the last paragraph. |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 10:46 - Apr 16 with 984 views | portmanking |
| Another 700+ today on 10:27 - Apr 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's nice to be kind, Benters. I bet you'd want us to be kind to you if you'd been unfortunate enough to be born into their situation.
Maybe think about how lucky you are... and then think about how you could help people who have been less lucky. |
I believe it's possible to have limitless compassion and generosity and still acknowledge that the country's resources are anything but limitless. | | | |
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