| Another 700+ today 19:03 - Apr 15 with 30480 views | bluejacko |
Whatever your view on this crisis it is NOT sustainable!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cddezjy97vro
So much for the smash the gangs approach,Rwanda was not by any means perfect but it had migrants here in NI going down south to get away from it in such numbers that the Irish police actually started doing checks at the border! |  | | |  |
| Another 700+ today on 12:51 - Apr 16 with 1349 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Another 700+ today on 12:04 - Apr 16 by Double_Dutch |
My post was in response to the claim, that the posters brother in law and wife, were both racist, as they didn't wish to enter into Ipswich town centre because of foreigners. I know a good number of local to me, both elderly and female Ipswich residents, who equally do not believe that the town centre is over welcoming or safe, it does not mean, that they are racist! I do not agree with placing people into specific groups as soon as their viewpoint is different to yours, which is what I took exception too. This happens all too frequently on this message board, whether it be immigration, red or blue, Brexit etc, which is why I generally stay away from entering the discussion.
The conversation with the junior doctor, did not take place at the hospital, they were a client of mine. It resulted from a conversation around immigration, where I asked whether they had been racially abused while in the UK. I was told, that during a group discussion at work, this subject was discussed and, the individuals involved in said discussion, agreed that they had received racial abuse both within and outside the work place, but, primarily not by British nationals, but from other immigrants. I was then asked the question about the high percentage of Romanians in Ipswich. I didn't feel the need to drill down into migration numbers or which clinic, ward, department or shift pattern, that they worked to have this viewpoint, I simply answered, that there was no government agreement to send Romanians to Ipswich. The junior doctor worked within the A & E department and, has subsequently moved to Cambridge.
The initial post is entirely true. My client base includes people of many different nationalities and, it is very interesting to listen to their experience of living and working in the UK.
I hope that this answers the questions posed to my original post. I have no desire to continue any further with this thread and, will resume my policy of staying away from both immigration and political threads in future. |
You are better off out of it. It's forever my regret when I get sucked in.
TW4TD Question
Do you welcome immigration - Yes
Are you happy with unchecked immigration - No
TW4TD conclusion - You are a big racist. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 12:51 - Apr 16 with 1347 views | The_Major |
| Another 700+ today on 12:40 - Apr 16 by BLUEGOLD |
It’s amazing the lack of critical thinking on here even when sufficient information is provided by others to enable them to look at the facts.
The Daily Mail & Farage just pander to the hard of thinking and have been very successful with that approach. I suppose it’s right to acknowledge that they have spotted a gap in the market and have exploited it. |
Twas even thus. People will believe what is on the front of a paper or posted on Facebook as the gospel truth without thinking "Hang on, is that right?" and double checking things.
And that applies to both left and right. |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 12:52 - Apr 16 with 1338 views | Herbivore |
| Another 700+ today on 11:01 - Apr 16 by gtsb1966 |
No he's right. We are too soft hence the long trek across safe European countries to get here. |
So how should we be treating those seeking asylum, the majority of whom are assessed as having legitimate claims? Beat them occasionally? Starve them? Make them sleep on a bed of nails? What do you think is a fair way to treat people who are refugees? |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 12:52 - Apr 16 with 1343 views | Trequartista |
| Another 700+ today on 12:48 - Apr 16 by Herbivore |
Like what? It's a massive stretch of coastline. |
Would have thought if you can cover Dunkirk to Boulogne that's pretty much the vast majority. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 12:53 - Apr 16 with 1331 views | Herbivore |
| Another 700+ today on 11:13 - Apr 16 by portmanking |
So you believe migration levels are sustainable for the country's infrastructure? Cripes. |
Small boat crossings are a very small proportion of overall migration. Most are here on work, student, or family visas. Many of them are part of our infrastructure, working in the NHS and care sector. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 12:56 - Apr 16 with 1306 views | NedPlimpton |
| Another 700+ today on 11:13 - Apr 16 by portmanking |
So you believe migration levels are sustainable for the country's infrastructure? Cripes. |
Just out of interest
Let's say that the countries infrastructure became "sustainable" in your mind, would you then welcome more migrants? |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 12:56 - Apr 16 with 1310 views | Mullet |
| Another 700+ today on 12:04 - Apr 16 by Double_Dutch |
My post was in response to the claim, that the posters brother in law and wife, were both racist, as they didn't wish to enter into Ipswich town centre because of foreigners. I know a good number of local to me, both elderly and female Ipswich residents, who equally do not believe that the town centre is over welcoming or safe, it does not mean, that they are racist! I do not agree with placing people into specific groups as soon as their viewpoint is different to yours, which is what I took exception too. This happens all too frequently on this message board, whether it be immigration, red or blue, Brexit etc, which is why I generally stay away from entering the discussion.
The conversation with the junior doctor, did not take place at the hospital, they were a client of mine. It resulted from a conversation around immigration, where I asked whether they had been racially abused while in the UK. I was told, that during a group discussion at work, this subject was discussed and, the individuals involved in said discussion, agreed that they had received racial abuse both within and outside the work place, but, primarily not by British nationals, but from other immigrants. I was then asked the question about the high percentage of Romanians in Ipswich. I didn't feel the need to drill down into migration numbers or which clinic, ward, department or shift pattern, that they worked to have this viewpoint, I simply answered, that there was no government agreement to send Romanians to Ipswich. The junior doctor worked within the A & E department and, has subsequently moved to Cambridge.
The initial post is entirely true. My client base includes people of many different nationalities and, it is very interesting to listen to their experience of living and working in the UK.
I hope that this answers the questions posed to my original post. I have no desire to continue any further with this thread and, will resume my policy of staying away from both immigration and political threads in future. |
Is the “town centre is a no go zone” more down to media influence than reality though? Alongside the degradation of councils and public spending under the tories?
The old far right myth of certain towns and cities being closed to whites etc has a lot of blame here doesn’t it? |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 13:03 - Apr 16 with 1286 views | portmanking |
| Another 700+ today on 12:56 - Apr 16 by NedPlimpton |
Just out of interest
Let's say that the countries infrastructure became "sustainable" in your mind, would you then welcome more migrants? |
Absolutely. Providing they have sufficient qualifications/talents to fill skills gaps in our economy. | | | |
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| Another 700+ today on 13:04 - Apr 16 with 1278 views | Mullet |
| Another 700+ today on 13:03 - Apr 16 by portmanking |
Absolutely. Providing they have sufficient qualifications/talents to fill skills gaps in our economy. |
What about the massive deficit in “unskilled” labour in the care sector? Stuff that a lot of British people believe is below them and their kids etc | |
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| Another 700+ today on 13:09 - Apr 16 with 1256 views | Herbivore |
| Another 700+ today on 12:56 - Apr 16 by Mullet |
Is the “town centre is a no go zone” more down to media influence than reality though? Alongside the degradation of councils and public spending under the tories?
The old far right myth of certain towns and cities being closed to whites etc has a lot of blame here doesn’t it? |
I've been down in Ipswich a fair bit over the last year, including on non-matchdays fairly regularly. The town centre is run down and doesn't offer much, like many town centres up and down the country these days, but I don't recognise the description of it as a no go area or somewhere that feels unsafe. I guess the experience partly depends on whether you automatically assume people with foreign accents and different colour skin are out to get you. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 13:10 - Apr 16 with 1247 views | portmanking |
| Another 700+ today on 13:04 - Apr 16 by Mullet |
What about the massive deficit in “unskilled” labour in the care sector? Stuff that a lot of British people believe is below them and their kids etc |
Having watched my father in a nursing home for 13+ years, I wouldn't be putting care work in the 'unskilled' category, personally.
But that's another can of worms altogether. [Post edited 16 Apr 13:10]
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| Another 700+ today on 13:12 - Apr 16 with 1230 views | portmanking |
| Another 700+ today on 13:09 - Apr 16 by Herbivore |
I've been down in Ipswich a fair bit over the last year, including on non-matchdays fairly regularly. The town centre is run down and doesn't offer much, like many town centres up and down the country these days, but I don't recognise the description of it as a no go area or somewhere that feels unsafe. I guess the experience partly depends on whether you automatically assume people with foreign accents and different colour skin are out to get you. |
Disappointing that you have to go down the 'foreign accents' and 'different colour skin' route.
You can feel vulnerable/uneasy in your home town without being a racist. | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 13:12 - Apr 16 with 1220 views | noggin |
| Another 700+ today on 13:03 - Apr 16 by portmanking |
Absolutely. Providing they have sufficient qualifications/talents to fill skills gaps in our economy. |
Wouldn't you then complain that they were stealing British people's jobs? Britain needs unskilled workers too, you know. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 13:13 - Apr 16 with 1213 views | Blueschev |
| Another 700+ today on 13:04 - Apr 16 by Mullet |
What about the massive deficit in “unskilled” labour in the care sector? Stuff that a lot of British people believe is below them and their kids etc |
I touched on this earlier. With falling birth rates and an aging population living ever longer, what is actually needed is a influx of young, low skilled workers who will pay in to the system whilst taking little if anything out.
This has been understood yet denied by numerous governments of both parties since the turn of the century. In fact both parties have promised to bring numbers down whilst encouraging the opposite. What was needed, and is still needed, is honesty. Instead we get headline grabbing soundbites with no substance, and demonisation of the voiceless refugees who have no opportunity to tell their story. |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 13:13 - Apr 16 with 1213 views | portmanking |
| Another 700+ today on 13:12 - Apr 16 by noggin |
Wouldn't you then complain that they were stealing British people's jobs? Britain needs unskilled workers too, you know. |
Unskilled jobs will be a thing of the past in the next 5 years. AI will see to that. | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 13:20 - Apr 16 with 1163 views | noggin |
| Another 700+ today on 13:13 - Apr 16 by portmanking |
Unskilled jobs will be a thing of the past in the next 5 years. AI will see to that. |
So AI will collect your bins, or clean hospital wards, or pick fruit? | |
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| Another 700+ today on 13:23 - Apr 16 with 1150 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Another 700+ today on 12:51 - Apr 16 by Lord_Lucan |
You are better off out of it. It's forever my regret when I get sucked in.
TW4TD Question
Do you welcome immigration - Yes
Are you happy with unchecked immigration - No
TW4TD conclusion - You are a big racist. |
Utter nonsense. You spent a period last night querying the qualifications of an immigration expert rather than engage with what she said.
How about some facts too
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-endi [Post edited 16 Apr 13:26]
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| Another 700+ today on 13:26 - Apr 16 with 1130 views | Herbivore |
| Another 700+ today on 13:12 - Apr 16 by portmanking |
Disappointing that you have to go down the 'foreign accents' and 'different colour skin' route.
You can feel vulnerable/uneasy in your home town without being a racist. |
I haven't said anyone's a racist. When asked to elaborate on what Ipswich town centre is a no go area, the only response I've ever seen relates to groups of foreign sounding/looking people. If it's something other than that, please enlighten me. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 13:27 - Apr 16 with 1116 views | Herbivore |
| Another 700+ today on 13:03 - Apr 16 by portmanking |
Absolutely. Providing they have sufficient qualifications/talents to fill skills gaps in our economy. |
What about if they don't have qualifications but are escaping war or persecution in their home country? | |
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| Another 700+ today on 13:32 - Apr 16 with 1076 views | Mullet |
| Another 700+ today on 13:10 - Apr 16 by portmanking |
Having watched my father in a nursing home for 13+ years, I wouldn't be putting care work in the 'unskilled' category, personally.
But that's another can of worms altogether. [Post edited 16 Apr 13:10]
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Quite, but you didn’t answer my question | |
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| Another 700+ today on 13:34 - Apr 16 with 1059 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Another 700+ today on 13:13 - Apr 16 by portmanking |
Unskilled jobs will be a thing of the past in the next 5 years. AI will see to that. |
If there's one thing I'm really looking forward to its watching AI try to pick lettuce and asparagus. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 13:34 - Apr 16 with 1050 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Another 700+ today on 13:34 - Apr 16 by Cheltenham_Blue |
If there's one thing I'm really looking forward to its watching AI try to pick lettuce and asparagus. |
As long as it has an English accent whilst doing it | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 13:35 - Apr 16 with 1048 views | Mullet |
| Another 700+ today on 13:13 - Apr 16 by Blueschev |
I touched on this earlier. With falling birth rates and an aging population living ever longer, what is actually needed is a influx of young, low skilled workers who will pay in to the system whilst taking little if anything out.
This has been understood yet denied by numerous governments of both parties since the turn of the century. In fact both parties have promised to bring numbers down whilst encouraging the opposite. What was needed, and is still needed, is honesty. Instead we get headline grabbing soundbites with no substance, and demonisation of the voiceless refugees who have no opportunity to tell their story. |
It’s always been the way hasn’t it? The Irish, windrush, even the Dutch in the 1600s etc are examples of migrant populations needed to bolster parts of the country/economy for various reasons. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 13:44 - Apr 16 with 1011 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Another 700+ today on 12:51 - Apr 16 by Lord_Lucan |
You are better off out of it. It's forever my regret when I get sucked in.
TW4TD Question
Do you welcome immigration - Yes
Are you happy with unchecked immigration - No
TW4TD conclusion - You are a big racist. |
Also on TW4TD - create a straw man you can attack. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 14:21 - Apr 16 with 921 views | DJR |
Someone from the Migration Observatory was interviewed on WATO.
He said that, with Brexit, the UK no longer has access to the EU database which means it is not possible to find out if a person has had a failed asylum application in another EU country.
If access to that information was available, asylum applications could be dismissed instantly for those who have failed in another country. Instead, they get another bite of the cherry, and add to the backlog, but without the UK knowing the full facts.. [Post edited 16 Apr 14:24]
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