| Another 700+ today 19:03 - Apr 15 with 33197 views | bluejacko |
Whatever your view on this crisis it is NOT sustainable!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cddezjy97vro
So much for the smash the gangs approach,Rwanda was not by any means perfect but it had migrants here in NI going down south to get away from it in such numbers that the Irish police actually started doing checks at the border! |  | | |  |
| Another 700+ today on 18:02 - Apr 19 with 1869 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Another 700+ today on 06:53 - Apr 17 by noggin |
Wow! You're an intelligent man Lucan, so surely you know why young, strong, male family members are chosen to make the long, dangerous and exhausting journey to Europe?
Also, you say "I don’t accept most of these people are fleeing danger of their lives" Well I'm afraid the evidence doesn't back your belief up, so I can only presume you're trotting out this line because you heard people like Farage say it. Maybe you should look at the evidence rather than the xenophobic lies.
We should all want to 'stop the boats'. Not because Britain can't cope, but because people are drowning in the seas. [Post edited 17 Apr 7:04]
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Noggin the Nog, how are you dear boy?
I find myself sitting down without working or thinking about work for the first time in quite a few days. What people don’t realise is not everyone has as much time on their hands to discuss things in any detail, therefore it was daft of me to have commented on this thread in the first place and I acknowledged that yesterday, at least I think it was yesterday. I have had Dolly chasing me around the board like a rabid dog demanding that I reply to him forthwith, I have grown to love Dolly over the years but he’s not the brightest spark so it sort of ads insult to injury. I don’t really have the time or inclination to keep up with the debates by the pack dogs, personally I prefer to stay quiet and occasionally have a beer and post some completely irrelevant nonsense. So, I consider my lesson learnt.
I have rambled…. So to get back to the subject.
I am very much in favour of immigration and I welcome multiculturism. I wager that I quite possibly have more Raj’s, Hitens, Gohils, Harpinders, Dipaks etc etc etc in my phonebook than anyone on this site, aside from members of Asian extraction. People who really know me in the real world will testify to this. Oh, look at Lucan, he’s got brown friends. Those who don’t know me can continue to sling the mud, try and trip me up or add their little witty comments. I care less baby!
And yes, here it is… – I do not welcome uncontrolled immigration at all, whether it be by the back of a container or by small boat.
As previously mentioned, women and children can go to the top of the queue, they do not have to pass Go. Hooever, the governments first and most important job is to protect its people and it is impossible if we are forced to scoop up all the men on these boats. So what do we do? Well, realistically we cannot do a lot. We can’t send them back to France as they have worse problems so we are a bit stuck. However, although we are stuck that doesn’t mean I have to like or accept this situation, not at all.
…..And the problem is multi pronged. We may technically have some spare land space but we don’t have the housing or facilities. And yes, why can’t people shout when they can’t get a home yet they see foreign nationals get one. Why can’t people shout when they can’t receive the care they require because the NHS is screwed and there isn’t any money left in social services (I will respond right here to the people who say “The NHS would be worse if it wasn’t for immigrant workers” – Yes, I appreciate this 100% and this is one of the reasons why I am pro immigration)
I just had a look at government statistics re Syrian asylum seekers as people seem to be making a lot of noise on here about this as they are war torn. Well, in 2023 only 7% of our asylum seekers were from Syria. We had higher numbers from Eritrea. The largest amount of asylum seekers were from Iran followed by Afghanistan (we let them down), Iraq and Albania! At this point I have to think about whether you would want your wife or daughter to walk willy nilly around these countries, yet we let thousands in without a check – people with completely different cultures, ways of life, life rules. The treatment and respect of women is not a given in these countries, let’s be honest……and this should be a good enough reason to have a stricter stance.
I’m not so bothered about the smuggling gangs, I see them as a separate issue. They are a problem that politicians mention when what they really mean to say is we can’t fecking cope with all these people – but they haven’t got the balls.
What else is there? Hotels.. I actually don’t know how many hotels are being used, but, for every one being used that’s a whole lot of laid off hotel staff!
………XX% of asylum must be genuinely seeking asylum as they have been granted it! I would imagine if you say you are gay and from Iran then you are going to be staying.
Oh, and while this level of uncontrolled immigration continues you have zero chance of a network of legal routes happening anytime soon.
Whilst looking up the government statistics I notice this (and yes I realise it’s not law but it has some sense, in fact, if Scotland or France were war torn I suspect we would be bearing the brunt. After all, isn’t that why provisions have been made for Ukranians?
“It is our longstanding principle that those in need of protection should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. For many people, it is in their best interests to stay close to the region or in a neighbouring country where there are often similarities in culture and language, and they can be supported by international organisations, including the UN”
There are many people who would say the level of immigration and change is too much too quick. Latest polls show Reform to be on the rise and this is because people are not happy and are scared to speak out. When they speak out they are called racist, no one listens to these people.
This thread is a prime example of why Farage and the so called Far Right in Europe are becoming stronger.
No one is listening to the people and the people are being branded racist when they speak, yet there are those who refuse to entertain there are any problems afoot – and from where I’m standing, or sitting as it happens, it’s from the middle classes. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 18:04 - Apr 19 with 1864 views | mrshallisfit |
| Another 700+ today on 17:52 - Apr 19 by DJR |
What about those of us who, by careful breeding over millennia, have managed to keep our DNA 100% Neanderthal? |
Isn't that most of north-east Suffolk? | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 18:18 - Apr 19 with 1837 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Another 700+ today on 16:26 - Apr 19 by leitrimblue |
I'm way to lazy to check, but have a horrible feeling that one of the first signs of human activity on what become these islands is from some cave in Wales.
Think it's a female skeleton covered in ochre from the Paleolithic I think. Would have been a female member of one of these hunter gather bands that travelled to the far West if the plain following those herds.
Might be in the West of England rather then Wales if were lucky |
You could well be right. I’m sure there’s a few things hidden away in caves that are still to be found. We’ve a few here on Gower and maybe the one you’re thinking of is this one - https://rcahmw.gov.uk/paviland-cave-and-the-ice-age-hunters/
There’s one or two people I know of who have been looking at stuff closer to us along the south Gower coast. For some reason the politics around it is pretty intense. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 18:22 - Apr 19 with 1828 views | DJR |
| Another 700+ today on 18:18 - Apr 19 by Swansea_Blue |
You could well be right. I’m sure there’s a few things hidden away in caves that are still to be found. We’ve a few here on Gower and maybe the one you’re thinking of is this one - https://rcahmw.gov.uk/paviland-cave-and-the-ice-age-hunters/
There’s one or two people I know of who have been looking at stuff closer to us along the south Gower coast. For some reason the politics around it is pretty intense. |
A couple of the Neanderthals mentioned in the article were my ancestors. |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 18:53 - Apr 19 with 1767 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Every single poster on here left right or otherwise should absolutely want to stop people entering the UK by this method. It’s dangerous gangs and people smugglers that charge a lot of money to get folks into the UK by this route. Not to mention it carries great risks and is very unsafe. There is a reason people are not turning up at a port of entry and presenting themselves with their documents to claim asylum. Once you step foot in the UK with no identification you’ve made it, you can’t be deported, because no one knows who you are, you’ve made it into the system whether granted asylum or not. |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 20:17 - Apr 19 with 1612 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Another 700+ today on 18:02 - Apr 19 by Lord_Lucan |
Noggin the Nog, how are you dear boy?
I find myself sitting down without working or thinking about work for the first time in quite a few days. What people don’t realise is not everyone has as much time on their hands to discuss things in any detail, therefore it was daft of me to have commented on this thread in the first place and I acknowledged that yesterday, at least I think it was yesterday. I have had Dolly chasing me around the board like a rabid dog demanding that I reply to him forthwith, I have grown to love Dolly over the years but he’s not the brightest spark so it sort of ads insult to injury. I don’t really have the time or inclination to keep up with the debates by the pack dogs, personally I prefer to stay quiet and occasionally have a beer and post some completely irrelevant nonsense. So, I consider my lesson learnt.
I have rambled…. So to get back to the subject.
I am very much in favour of immigration and I welcome multiculturism. I wager that I quite possibly have more Raj’s, Hitens, Gohils, Harpinders, Dipaks etc etc etc in my phonebook than anyone on this site, aside from members of Asian extraction. People who really know me in the real world will testify to this. Oh, look at Lucan, he’s got brown friends. Those who don’t know me can continue to sling the mud, try and trip me up or add their little witty comments. I care less baby!
And yes, here it is… – I do not welcome uncontrolled immigration at all, whether it be by the back of a container or by small boat.
As previously mentioned, women and children can go to the top of the queue, they do not have to pass Go. Hooever, the governments first and most important job is to protect its people and it is impossible if we are forced to scoop up all the men on these boats. So what do we do? Well, realistically we cannot do a lot. We can’t send them back to France as they have worse problems so we are a bit stuck. However, although we are stuck that doesn’t mean I have to like or accept this situation, not at all.
…..And the problem is multi pronged. We may technically have some spare land space but we don’t have the housing or facilities. And yes, why can’t people shout when they can’t get a home yet they see foreign nationals get one. Why can’t people shout when they can’t receive the care they require because the NHS is screwed and there isn’t any money left in social services (I will respond right here to the people who say “The NHS would be worse if it wasn’t for immigrant workers” – Yes, I appreciate this 100% and this is one of the reasons why I am pro immigration)
I just had a look at government statistics re Syrian asylum seekers as people seem to be making a lot of noise on here about this as they are war torn. Well, in 2023 only 7% of our asylum seekers were from Syria. We had higher numbers from Eritrea. The largest amount of asylum seekers were from Iran followed by Afghanistan (we let them down), Iraq and Albania! At this point I have to think about whether you would want your wife or daughter to walk willy nilly around these countries, yet we let thousands in without a check – people with completely different cultures, ways of life, life rules. The treatment and respect of women is not a given in these countries, let’s be honest……and this should be a good enough reason to have a stricter stance.
I’m not so bothered about the smuggling gangs, I see them as a separate issue. They are a problem that politicians mention when what they really mean to say is we can’t fecking cope with all these people – but they haven’t got the balls.
What else is there? Hotels.. I actually don’t know how many hotels are being used, but, for every one being used that’s a whole lot of laid off hotel staff!
………XX% of asylum must be genuinely seeking asylum as they have been granted it! I would imagine if you say you are gay and from Iran then you are going to be staying.
Oh, and while this level of uncontrolled immigration continues you have zero chance of a network of legal routes happening anytime soon.
Whilst looking up the government statistics I notice this (and yes I realise it’s not law but it has some sense, in fact, if Scotland or France were war torn I suspect we would be bearing the brunt. After all, isn’t that why provisions have been made for Ukranians?
“It is our longstanding principle that those in need of protection should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. For many people, it is in their best interests to stay close to the region or in a neighbouring country where there are often similarities in culture and language, and they can be supported by international organisations, including the UN”
There are many people who would say the level of immigration and change is too much too quick. Latest polls show Reform to be on the rise and this is because people are not happy and are scared to speak out. When they speak out they are called racist, no one listens to these people.
This thread is a prime example of why Farage and the so called Far Right in Europe are becoming stronger.
No one is listening to the people and the people are being branded racist when they speak, yet there are those who refuse to entertain there are any problems afoot – and from where I’m standing, or sitting as it happens, it’s from the middle classes. |
Chasing you around the board like a rabid dog?!
You asserted people have been called racist for saying they welcome immigration but are unhappy with unchecked immigration. All I did was ask where such posts exist.
And then you got all upset at me asking (because they don't), threw out an insult and stropped off. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 23:07 - Apr 19 with 1501 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Another 700+ today on 18:53 - Apr 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Every single poster on here left right or otherwise should absolutely want to stop people entering the UK by this method. It’s dangerous gangs and people smugglers that charge a lot of money to get folks into the UK by this route. Not to mention it carries great risks and is very unsafe. There is a reason people are not turning up at a port of entry and presenting themselves with their documents to claim asylum. Once you step foot in the UK with no identification you’ve made it, you can’t be deported, because no one knows who you are, you’ve made it into the system whether granted asylum or not. |
Its a myth that those without documents can’t be deported. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 23:53 - Apr 19 with 1472 views | Herbivore |
| Another 700+ today on 18:53 - Apr 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Every single poster on here left right or otherwise should absolutely want to stop people entering the UK by this method. It’s dangerous gangs and people smugglers that charge a lot of money to get folks into the UK by this route. Not to mention it carries great risks and is very unsafe. There is a reason people are not turning up at a port of entry and presenting themselves with their documents to claim asylum. Once you step foot in the UK with no identification you’ve made it, you can’t be deported, because no one knows who you are, you’ve made it into the system whether granted asylum or not. |
Nobody wants the small boat crossings to continue. The last part of your post I don't understand. Lots of migrants arrive without documentation, some are granted leave to remain, some aren't and are returned home. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 23:53 - Apr 19 with 1471 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Another 700+ today on 23:07 - Apr 19 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Its a myth that those without documents can’t be deported. |
That’s technically true but it becomes extremely difficult to obtain travel documents for removal when someone has no ID or more importantly, arrived without a passport. My wording was therefore poor in my last post and it should have read becomes very hard rather than “can’t”.
My assumption is those applying for asylum would have to voluntarily provide their information to the home office for their application. If they are then refused I guess the home office could attempt to work with their country of origin to try and issue these. I imagine a lengthy, difficult and often unsuccessful process. This notion seems to backed up my the numbers.
“Between 2018 and December 2024, 4,995 people who came to the UK in small boats were returned - about 3% of the total small-boat arrivals during the period” (BBC)
Therefore 97% that arrived this way are still in the UK whether they were granted “leave” (status) or not. This probably goes someone to explaining why migrants are turning up via this route without documentation. [Post edited 20 Apr 0:17]
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| Another 700+ today on 00:15 - Apr 20 with 1444 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Another 700+ today on 23:53 - Apr 19 by Herbivore |
Nobody wants the small boat crossings to continue. The last part of your post I don't understand. Lots of migrants arrive without documentation, some are granted leave to remain, some aren't and are returned home. |
Respectfully your last sentence is not particularly true when it comes to the boats specifically as a point of entry. Obviously many are granted legal status but it’s only 3% that arrived via these means that have been returned since 2018. This doesn’t line up anywhere close to the approval rate, as your own posts earlier in this thread rightly highlighted. | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 00:18 - Apr 20 with 1436 views | Herbivore |
| Another 700+ today on 00:15 - Apr 20 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Respectfully your last sentence is not particularly true when it comes to the boats specifically as a point of entry. Obviously many are granted legal status but it’s only 3% that arrived via these means that have been returned since 2018. This doesn’t line up anywhere close to the approval rate, as your own posts earlier in this thread rightly highlighted. |
But your stats are using numbers of arrivals up to 2024. We have a massive backlog of applications for asylum, particularly where claims are more complex, so some context is needed around your figures. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 00:26 - Apr 20 with 1430 views | Bigalhunter |
| Another 700+ today on 20:17 - Apr 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Chasing you around the board like a rabid dog?!
You asserted people have been called racist for saying they welcome immigration but are unhappy with unchecked immigration. All I did was ask where such posts exist.
And then you got all upset at me asking (because they don't), threw out an insult and stropped off. |
I genuinely wouldn’t bother wasting your time, Dollers.
It’s like trying to engage with an Only Fools and Horses parody who’s finished off the third bottle of Liebfraumilch he found in the lock up and wandered into the pub, looking for someone to lecture before finally tottering home and setting fire to his kitchen.
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| Another 700+ today on 00:37 - Apr 20 with 1425 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Another 700+ today on 00:18 - Apr 20 by Herbivore |
But your stats are using numbers of arrivals up to 2024. We have a massive backlog of applications for asylum, particularly where claims are more complex, so some context is needed around your figures. |
Sure some will be awaiting a decision but you’ve already provided data on a lot higher number that have refusals. So when you say they are sent home it’s not particularly accurate the vast majority of the time. Many will have reporting conditions and just be in the country without status. Some of those (not all) end up living and working in the country illegally.
You’d admit that it becomes hard to deport someone who is in the country undocumented wouldn’t you? Hence why these criminals have a business in the first place.
Obviously in the bigger picture it looks like much wider reform is needed to address this and many issues, which seem to have been a government failure for a long time. Unfortunately compassion and nuanced debate is often lacking from various sides of the spectrum on the subject. | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 01:43 - Apr 20 with 1385 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Another 700+ today on 00:37 - Apr 20 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Sure some will be awaiting a decision but you’ve already provided data on a lot higher number that have refusals. So when you say they are sent home it’s not particularly accurate the vast majority of the time. Many will have reporting conditions and just be in the country without status. Some of those (not all) end up living and working in the country illegally.
You’d admit that it becomes hard to deport someone who is in the country undocumented wouldn’t you? Hence why these criminals have a business in the first place.
Obviously in the bigger picture it looks like much wider reform is needed to address this and many issues, which seem to have been a government failure for a long time. Unfortunately compassion and nuanced debate is often lacking from various sides of the spectrum on the subject. |
Don't you live in America? |  | | |
| Another 700+ today on 02:31 - Apr 20 with 1361 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Another 700+ today on 01:43 - Apr 20 by reusersfreekicks |
Don't you live in America? |
The irony (especially from you). This board has more American politics than an injury news about ITFC. | | | |
| Another 700+ today on 04:32 - Apr 20 with 1334 views | Benters |
| Another 700+ today on 23:53 - Apr 19 by Herbivore |
Nobody wants the small boat crossings to continue. The last part of your post I don't understand. Lots of migrants arrive without documentation, some are granted leave to remain, some aren't and are returned home. |
‘Nobody wants the small boat crossings to continue’ that’s because a lot of the left on here want open borders.
As for arriving without documents they know to get rid of them.
One of the first things Free Gear Kier did was change the term from ‘illegal immigrant to irregular immigrant’. |  |
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| Another 700+ today on 04:33 - Apr 20 with 1327 views | Benters |
| Another 700+ today on 18:02 - Apr 19 by Lord_Lucan |
Noggin the Nog, how are you dear boy?
I find myself sitting down without working or thinking about work for the first time in quite a few days. What people don’t realise is not everyone has as much time on their hands to discuss things in any detail, therefore it was daft of me to have commented on this thread in the first place and I acknowledged that yesterday, at least I think it was yesterday. I have had Dolly chasing me around the board like a rabid dog demanding that I reply to him forthwith, I have grown to love Dolly over the years but he’s not the brightest spark so it sort of ads insult to injury. I don’t really have the time or inclination to keep up with the debates by the pack dogs, personally I prefer to stay quiet and occasionally have a beer and post some completely irrelevant nonsense. So, I consider my lesson learnt.
I have rambled…. So to get back to the subject.
I am very much in favour of immigration and I welcome multiculturism. I wager that I quite possibly have more Raj’s, Hitens, Gohils, Harpinders, Dipaks etc etc etc in my phonebook than anyone on this site, aside from members of Asian extraction. People who really know me in the real world will testify to this. Oh, look at Lucan, he’s got brown friends. Those who don’t know me can continue to sling the mud, try and trip me up or add their little witty comments. I care less baby!
And yes, here it is… – I do not welcome uncontrolled immigration at all, whether it be by the back of a container or by small boat.
As previously mentioned, women and children can go to the top of the queue, they do not have to pass Go. Hooever, the governments first and most important job is to protect its people and it is impossible if we are forced to scoop up all the men on these boats. So what do we do? Well, realistically we cannot do a lot. We can’t send them back to France as they have worse problems so we are a bit stuck. However, although we are stuck that doesn’t mean I have to like or accept this situation, not at all.
…..And the problem is multi pronged. We may technically have some spare land space but we don’t have the housing or facilities. And yes, why can’t people shout when they can’t get a home yet they see foreign nationals get one. Why can’t people shout when they can’t receive the care they require because the NHS is screwed and there isn’t any money left in social services (I will respond right here to the people who say “The NHS would be worse if it wasn’t for immigrant workers” – Yes, I appreciate this 100% and this is one of the reasons why I am pro immigration)
I just had a look at government statistics re Syrian asylum seekers as people seem to be making a lot of noise on here about this as they are war torn. Well, in 2023 only 7% of our asylum seekers were from Syria. We had higher numbers from Eritrea. The largest amount of asylum seekers were from Iran followed by Afghanistan (we let them down), Iraq and Albania! At this point I have to think about whether you would want your wife or daughter to walk willy nilly around these countries, yet we let thousands in without a check – people with completely different cultures, ways of life, life rules. The treatment and respect of women is not a given in these countries, let’s be honest……and this should be a good enough reason to have a stricter stance.
I’m not so bothered about the smuggling gangs, I see them as a separate issue. They are a problem that politicians mention when what they really mean to say is we can’t fecking cope with all these people – but they haven’t got the balls.
What else is there? Hotels.. I actually don’t know how many hotels are being used, but, for every one being used that’s a whole lot of laid off hotel staff!
………XX% of asylum must be genuinely seeking asylum as they have been granted it! I would imagine if you say you are gay and from Iran then you are going to be staying.
Oh, and while this level of uncontrolled immigration continues you have zero chance of a network of legal routes happening anytime soon.
Whilst looking up the government statistics I notice this (and yes I realise it’s not law but it has some sense, in fact, if Scotland or France were war torn I suspect we would be bearing the brunt. After all, isn’t that why provisions have been made for Ukranians?
“It is our longstanding principle that those in need of protection should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. For many people, it is in their best interests to stay close to the region or in a neighbouring country where there are often similarities in culture and language, and they can be supported by international organisations, including the UN”
There are many people who would say the level of immigration and change is too much too quick. Latest polls show Reform to be on the rise and this is because people are not happy and are scared to speak out. When they speak out they are called racist, no one listens to these people.
This thread is a prime example of why Farage and the so called Far Right in Europe are becoming stronger.
No one is listening to the people and the people are being branded racist when they speak, yet there are those who refuse to entertain there are any problems afoot – and from where I’m standing, or sitting as it happens, it’s from the middle classes. |
Decent post that Lucan. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 07:55 - Apr 20 with 1202 views | Herbivore |
| Another 700+ today on 04:32 - Apr 20 by Benters |
‘Nobody wants the small boat crossings to continue’ that’s because a lot of the left on here want open borders.
As for arriving without documents they know to get rid of them.
One of the first things Free Gear Kier did was change the term from ‘illegal immigrant to irregular immigrant’. |
This is all nonsense. | |
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| Another 700+ today on 08:09 - Apr 20 with 1179 views | noggin |
| Another 700+ today on 18:02 - Apr 19 by Lord_Lucan |
Noggin the Nog, how are you dear boy?
I find myself sitting down without working or thinking about work for the first time in quite a few days. What people don’t realise is not everyone has as much time on their hands to discuss things in any detail, therefore it was daft of me to have commented on this thread in the first place and I acknowledged that yesterday, at least I think it was yesterday. I have had Dolly chasing me around the board like a rabid dog demanding that I reply to him forthwith, I have grown to love Dolly over the years but he’s not the brightest spark so it sort of ads insult to injury. I don’t really have the time or inclination to keep up with the debates by the pack dogs, personally I prefer to stay quiet and occasionally have a beer and post some completely irrelevant nonsense. So, I consider my lesson learnt.
I have rambled…. So to get back to the subject.
I am very much in favour of immigration and I welcome multiculturism. I wager that I quite possibly have more Raj’s, Hitens, Gohils, Harpinders, Dipaks etc etc etc in my phonebook than anyone on this site, aside from members of Asian extraction. People who really know me in the real world will testify to this. Oh, look at Lucan, he’s got brown friends. Those who don’t know me can continue to sling the mud, try and trip me up or add their little witty comments. I care less baby!
And yes, here it is… – I do not welcome uncontrolled immigration at all, whether it be by the back of a container or by small boat.
As previously mentioned, women and children can go to the top of the queue, they do not have to pass Go. Hooever, the governments first and most important job is to protect its people and it is impossible if we are forced to scoop up all the men on these boats. So what do we do? Well, realistically we cannot do a lot. We can’t send them back to France as they have worse problems so we are a bit stuck. However, although we are stuck that doesn’t mean I have to like or accept this situation, not at all.
…..And the problem is multi pronged. We may technically have some spare land space but we don’t have the housing or facilities. And yes, why can’t people shout when they can’t get a home yet they see foreign nationals get one. Why can’t people shout when they can’t receive the care they require because the NHS is screwed and there isn’t any money left in social services (I will respond right here to the people who say “The NHS would be worse if it wasn’t for immigrant workers” – Yes, I appreciate this 100% and this is one of the reasons why I am pro immigration)
I just had a look at government statistics re Syrian asylum seekers as people seem to be making a lot of noise on here about this as they are war torn. Well, in 2023 only 7% of our asylum seekers were from Syria. We had higher numbers from Eritrea. The largest amount of asylum seekers were from Iran followed by Afghanistan (we let them down), Iraq and Albania! At this point I have to think about whether you would want your wife or daughter to walk willy nilly around these countries, yet we let thousands in without a check – people with completely different cultures, ways of life, life rules. The treatment and respect of women is not a given in these countries, let’s be honest……and this should be a good enough reason to have a stricter stance.
I’m not so bothered about the smuggling gangs, I see them as a separate issue. They are a problem that politicians mention when what they really mean to say is we can’t fecking cope with all these people – but they haven’t got the balls.
What else is there? Hotels.. I actually don’t know how many hotels are being used, but, for every one being used that’s a whole lot of laid off hotel staff!
………XX% of asylum must be genuinely seeking asylum as they have been granted it! I would imagine if you say you are gay and from Iran then you are going to be staying.
Oh, and while this level of uncontrolled immigration continues you have zero chance of a network of legal routes happening anytime soon.
Whilst looking up the government statistics I notice this (and yes I realise it’s not law but it has some sense, in fact, if Scotland or France were war torn I suspect we would be bearing the brunt. After all, isn’t that why provisions have been made for Ukranians?
“It is our longstanding principle that those in need of protection should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. For many people, it is in their best interests to stay close to the region or in a neighbouring country where there are often similarities in culture and language, and they can be supported by international organisations, including the UN”
There are many people who would say the level of immigration and change is too much too quick. Latest polls show Reform to be on the rise and this is because people are not happy and are scared to speak out. When they speak out they are called racist, no one listens to these people.
This thread is a prime example of why Farage and the so called Far Right in Europe are becoming stronger.
No one is listening to the people and the people are being branded racist when they speak, yet there are those who refuse to entertain there are any problems afoot – and from where I’m standing, or sitting as it happens, it’s from the middle classes. |
I am well thank you your lordship.
There are a lot of words in your post but unfortunately, for me anyway, all you have done is echo the stuff that Farage and Reform are telling you.
Nobody, and I mean nobody supports uncontrolled immigration. Everyone can see that public services are failing. The problem with linking this to immigration, is that if somehow the boats were stopped, those public services would still be failing. There would still be a housing crisis and hospitals would still be overwhelmed. I suppose at least then you, Benters and Reform might look for someone else to blame and you might accept that the real criminals are the politicians and the wealthy tax cheats.
I agree that women and children should be first in the queue for asylum. Unfortunately, that would require legal and safe routes for them to join that hypothetical queue. Those legal routes have either been closed or never existed and so the families will continue to send the strongest members on the long dangerous journey to Europe, where they believe a better life awaits.
"Oh, and while this level of uncontrolled immigration continues you have zero chance of a network of legal routes happening anytime soon."
I think you should flip that and say, while there are no legal routes, 'uncontrolled' immigration will continue.
"“It is our longstanding principle that those in need of protection should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. For many people, it is in their best interests to stay close to the region or in a neighbouring country where there are often similarities in culture and language, and they can be supported by international organisations, including the UN”
This is already the case. If you think Britain takes in too many migrants, take a look at the numbers in Jordan, Turkey, Poland and Uganda, to name but a few. The numbers in Britain are tiny in comparison.
My mate Alaa is a Syrian who now has Norwegian citizenship. The rest of his family are living in tents in a huge refugee camp in Jordan. Alaa was chosen to make the long 'illegal' trek to Europe. He knows his family will never be able to join him but for his parents, at least one of their sons now has a better life. At least now, he is able to send a few dollars to them so that they can have a slightly better life than they might have had, had he stayed.
Farage and Reform are playing on people's fears, fears that they have installed in the population with xenophobic lies. Look at what happened after the Southport killings. It didn't matter to Farage or SYL that the killer wasn't an 'illegal' or a Muslim, they pushed the rumours that he was, and that it was time to fight back. Even when it became clear that it wasn't the case, they refused to apologise and instead blamed the authorities for not telling the truth earlier. Farage and SYL are cowards who are making money by spreading fear and hatred. They don't care about your daughters, they care only about status.
So Lucars Sir, I think we probably agree more than you might think. Politicians around the world need to have a grown up conversation about the reasons for mass migration and maybe then a strategy for managing it. That won't happen though, especially with people like Trump and Farage peddling their anti-immigrant agendas.
Safe routes will not be opened and so people smugglers will supply a service for desperate people. [Post edited 20 Apr 8:11]
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‘Nobody wants the small boat crossings to continue’ that’s because a lot of the left on here want open borders.
As for arriving without documents they know to get rid of them.
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Utter horsesh1t.
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Sure some will be awaiting a decision but you’ve already provided data on a lot higher number that have refusals. So when you say they are sent home it’s not particularly accurate the vast majority of the time. Many will have reporting conditions and just be in the country without status. Some of those (not all) end up living and working in the country illegally.
You’d admit that it becomes hard to deport someone who is in the country undocumented wouldn’t you? Hence why these criminals have a business in the first place.
Obviously in the bigger picture it looks like much wider reform is needed to address this and many issues, which seem to have been a government failure for a long time. Unfortunately compassion and nuanced debate is often lacking from various sides of the spectrum on the subject. |
Where are you getting your stats from? The migration and removals data that is available looks different from the numbers you've provided and the analysis of the data makes it clear that the data you are presenting does not exist as the government doesn't break down data on removals by route of arrival: https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/deportation-and-rem [Post edited 20 Apr 9:07]
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Where are you getting your stats from? The migration and removals data that is available looks different from the numbers you've provided and the analysis of the data makes it clear that the data you are presenting does not exist as the government doesn't break down data on removals by route of arrival: https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/deportation-and-rem [Post edited 20 Apr 9:07]
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Isn't that most of north-east Suffolk? |
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| Another 700+ today on 00:37 - Apr 20 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Sure some will be awaiting a decision but you’ve already provided data on a lot higher number that have refusals. So when you say they are sent home it’s not particularly accurate the vast majority of the time. Many will have reporting conditions and just be in the country without status. Some of those (not all) end up living and working in the country illegally.
You’d admit that it becomes hard to deport someone who is in the country undocumented wouldn’t you? Hence why these criminals have a business in the first place.
Obviously in the bigger picture it looks like much wider reform is needed to address this and many issues, which seem to have been a government failure for a long time. Unfortunately compassion and nuanced debate is often lacking from various sides of the spectrum on the subject. |
The Government are working on this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99pg1men8po | |
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I am well thank you your lordship.
There are a lot of words in your post but unfortunately, for me anyway, all you have done is echo the stuff that Farage and Reform are telling you.
Nobody, and I mean nobody supports uncontrolled immigration. Everyone can see that public services are failing. The problem with linking this to immigration, is that if somehow the boats were stopped, those public services would still be failing. There would still be a housing crisis and hospitals would still be overwhelmed. I suppose at least then you, Benters and Reform might look for someone else to blame and you might accept that the real criminals are the politicians and the wealthy tax cheats.
I agree that women and children should be first in the queue for asylum. Unfortunately, that would require legal and safe routes for them to join that hypothetical queue. Those legal routes have either been closed or never existed and so the families will continue to send the strongest members on the long dangerous journey to Europe, where they believe a better life awaits.
"Oh, and while this level of uncontrolled immigration continues you have zero chance of a network of legal routes happening anytime soon."
I think you should flip that and say, while there are no legal routes, 'uncontrolled' immigration will continue.
"“It is our longstanding principle that those in need of protection should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. For many people, it is in their best interests to stay close to the region or in a neighbouring country where there are often similarities in culture and language, and they can be supported by international organisations, including the UN”
This is already the case. If you think Britain takes in too many migrants, take a look at the numbers in Jordan, Turkey, Poland and Uganda, to name but a few. The numbers in Britain are tiny in comparison.
My mate Alaa is a Syrian who now has Norwegian citizenship. The rest of his family are living in tents in a huge refugee camp in Jordan. Alaa was chosen to make the long 'illegal' trek to Europe. He knows his family will never be able to join him but for his parents, at least one of their sons now has a better life. At least now, he is able to send a few dollars to them so that they can have a slightly better life than they might have had, had he stayed.
Farage and Reform are playing on people's fears, fears that they have installed in the population with xenophobic lies. Look at what happened after the Southport killings. It didn't matter to Farage or SYL that the killer wasn't an 'illegal' or a Muslim, they pushed the rumours that he was, and that it was time to fight back. Even when it became clear that it wasn't the case, they refused to apologise and instead blamed the authorities for not telling the truth earlier. Farage and SYL are cowards who are making money by spreading fear and hatred. They don't care about your daughters, they care only about status.
So Lucars Sir, I think we probably agree more than you might think. Politicians around the world need to have a grown up conversation about the reasons for mass migration and maybe then a strategy for managing it. That won't happen though, especially with people like Trump and Farage peddling their anti-immigrant agendas.
Safe routes will not be opened and so people smugglers will supply a service for desperate people. [Post edited 20 Apr 8:11]
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