| Liam Delap 16:58 - Apr 24 with 7837 views | _clive_baker_ |
Ole Ole.
I've resigned myself to losing him in the summer and still think that's most likely, but are we sure this £30m clause is legit?. Ashton said we're 'very very very well protected' (3 x very's no less) with regards to his contract. I'm not sure £30m would meet that definition.
McKenna has said twice now in recent pressers that's its possible Delap stays here. I guess its possible the clause exists and he still decides to stay, and I wouldn't necessarily expect him to come out and say he's off, but we seem to be taking the £30m figure as gospel from the media when as far as I know nobody has officially confirmed it? |  | | |  |
| Liam Delap on 17:01 - Apr 24 with 4538 views | Mullet |
Was Ashton including the fans in this we or just him and Kieran?
Makes you think innit |  |
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| It’s “possible” we stay up. (n/t) on 17:11 - Apr 24 with 4470 views | Bloots |
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| Liam Delap on 17:26 - Apr 24 with 4415 views | portmanking |
Or the powers that be may be trying to negotiate a sale with a season-long loan involved for 2025/26... *taps nose* |  | | |
| Liam Delap on 19:17 - Apr 24 with 4186 views | SomethingBlue |
It's legit and I would be surprised if anyone from the club said anything publicly before he moved on, and maybe not even after – it just doesn't go like that. | |
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| Liam Delap on 19:21 - Apr 24 with 4152 views | Horsham |
| Liam Delap on 19:17 - Apr 24 by SomethingBlue |
It's legit and I would be surprised if anyone from the club said anything publicly before he moved on, and maybe not even after – it just doesn't go like that. |
It being legit is one thing but does the headline £30m release clause cover the whole arrangement? Eg. Any restrictions on dates between which the clause can be activated, conditions about clubs it applies to and of course the sell on fee. |  | | |
| Liam Delap on 19:28 - Apr 24 with 4109 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Liam Delap on 17:26 - Apr 24 by portmanking |
Or the powers that be may be trying to negotiate a sale with a season-long loan involved for 2025/26... *taps nose* |
The powers that be will have no negotiating power due to the release clause.
Ashton is 100% watching this from the side lines, like the rest of us. |  |
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| Liam Delap on 19:28 - Apr 24 with 4110 views | flykickingbybgunn |
So.
It's last year.
Right ?
You can have Delap for free this season and at the end of the year you can have £10m ?
Do you want that deal ? |  | | |
| Liam Delap on 19:32 - Apr 24 with 4053 views | HighgateBlue |
| Liam Delap on 19:28 - Apr 24 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The powers that be will have no negotiating power due to the release clause.
Ashton is 100% watching this from the side lines, like the rest of us. |
That is true, unless:
i) the clause allows a cut price £30m fee if there's a loan back, but not otherwise (we don't know what the clause says); or
ii) Delap himself wants a loan back for a season and places some value on that preference. Remember, this clause is entirely powerless unless Delap wants to go.
But yes, in all likelihood you're right. |  | | |
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| Liam Delap on 19:32 - Apr 24 with 4051 views | MK1 |
| Liam Delap on 19:28 - Apr 24 by flykickingbybgunn |
So.
It's last year.
Right ?
You can have Delap for free this season and at the end of the year you can have £10m ?
Do you want that deal ? |
Read that Man City have a 20% sale on clause as well. So that's £8M for a player we have developed into a potential top 10 PL striker. |  |
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| Liam Delap on 19:33 - Apr 24 with 4053 views | StNeotsBlue |
Unlikely as it is, Kieran and Co should be busting a gut to say to Delap give us till January. Guaranteed starting place and chance to enhance your reputation, if we're not there or thereabouts by the Jan window go with our best wishes, there will still be plenty of takers. |  | | |
| Liam Delap on 19:46 - Apr 24 with 3967 views | mutters |
| Liam Delap on 19:28 - Apr 24 by flykickingbybgunn |
So.
It's last year.
Right ?
You can have Delap for free this season and at the end of the year you can have £10m ?
Do you want that deal ? |
It is definitely putting a positive spin on a *potentially* low transfer fee.
If he had tanked as a player, then nobody would be giving us £30 million for him. We have taken the risk, developed him as a player, given him the chance to play and gain experience (though I do believe he wouldn't have initially played as much if Hirst hadn't go injured), so to only get a £10-15 million profit, even before adds on are removed seems low.
However, I get the need to put a positive spin on it. I still am not 100% sure that the £30 million figure is true or that he will actually leave. Maybe it's me putting a positive spin on it now :-D |  |
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| Liam Delap on 19:46 - Apr 24 with 3968 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Liam Delap on 19:28 - Apr 24 by flykickingbybgunn |
So.
It's last year.
Right ?
You can have Delap for free this season and at the end of the year you can have £10m ?
Do you want that deal ? |
That's not really my point. I'm not questioning the commerciality of it if it does exist. These clauses are only designed to benefit the player rather than the club, I'm pretty certain if that is the clause then it would've been a non negotiable at a time when others were interested in him, so I imagine our hands were tied on it.
All I'm asking is do we think the terms of it have been reported correctly? IF they have then I would think its highly unlikely / nigh on impossible that he stays. There must be literally dozens of clubs in Europe that will want him at that price. | | | |
| Liam Delap on 19:49 - Apr 24 with 3954 views | HighgateBlue |
| Liam Delap on 19:28 - Apr 24 by flykickingbybgunn |
So.
It's last year.
Right ?
You can have Delap for free this season and at the end of the year you can have £10m ?
Do you want that deal ? |
(a) if it's last year, I know nothing of Liam Delap. I trust Kieran, but he might be a flop, much like any number of our other signings might be. Apart from Kalvin Phillips. He's bound to be brilliant.
(b) those were not the terms of the deal. There were three (maybe 4) important differences:
1) we paid a huge transfer fee. He wasn't free.
2) we had to pay his wages. He wasn't free.
3) we weren't guaranteed £10m profit, or even a penny recouped on the transfer fee.
4) I'm not even certain the profit will be £10m given the reported sell on clause in City's favour.
If he'd got injured or been rubbish, that would be huge money down the drain. It was a risk. The rewards of him being half decent should have been ours. And if he was stellar (as turned out to be the case), then the rewards should have been bigger.
You can perfectly well say "It's April 2025. We've had Delap for a season, he's scored some great goals and been wonderful, and we make £10m profit on him, come on, that's not bad business." And that's a respectable argument.
But it's not the same as saying that the deal that was actually done was good AT THE TIME, i.e. when nobody knew whether Delap would be either awesome, out of his depth, somewhere in between, or injured.
None of us knows exactly what the clause says, and that's part of the problem. Nor do we know what other suitors Delap had, at what price, or what terms might have been available. It is possible that Ashton got the best deal possible.
However, to have to accept 50% of what he's realistically worth, AND give some of that to City leaves us with a percentage return (and more importantly an absolute cash return) that seems inadequate given quite how much better Delap has turned out to be than anyone could reasonably have hoped.
Plus, the most frustrating thing about this is that it's not powerful City that have got one over on us, it's Delap. As it's being reported, this is not a matching deal in City's favour, or an option to buy in City's favour. It's an option in /Delap's/ favour to require that he be released from his contract if we are relegated and receive a bid of a certain amount (said to be £30m). That seems a very advantageous clause for a young unproven player to have negotiated in circumstances where the clause was bad for BOTH clubs involved in the deal (Town obviously would prefer it not to exist, and City's sell on fee will be depressed by the £30m depressed sale price).
So if it's as reported, I don't think Ashton has done brilliantly. But without Delap, this season would have been so much worse, and we've made a profit that's probably similar to an entirely year's season ticket income. Worse things happen at sea. | | | |
| Liam Delap on 19:59 - Apr 24 with 3919 views | Guthrum |
| Liam Delap on 19:49 - Apr 24 by HighgateBlue |
(a) if it's last year, I know nothing of Liam Delap. I trust Kieran, but he might be a flop, much like any number of our other signings might be. Apart from Kalvin Phillips. He's bound to be brilliant.
(b) those were not the terms of the deal. There were three (maybe 4) important differences:
1) we paid a huge transfer fee. He wasn't free.
2) we had to pay his wages. He wasn't free.
3) we weren't guaranteed £10m profit, or even a penny recouped on the transfer fee.
4) I'm not even certain the profit will be £10m given the reported sell on clause in City's favour.
If he'd got injured or been rubbish, that would be huge money down the drain. It was a risk. The rewards of him being half decent should have been ours. And if he was stellar (as turned out to be the case), then the rewards should have been bigger.
You can perfectly well say "It's April 2025. We've had Delap for a season, he's scored some great goals and been wonderful, and we make £10m profit on him, come on, that's not bad business." And that's a respectable argument.
But it's not the same as saying that the deal that was actually done was good AT THE TIME, i.e. when nobody knew whether Delap would be either awesome, out of his depth, somewhere in between, or injured.
None of us knows exactly what the clause says, and that's part of the problem. Nor do we know what other suitors Delap had, at what price, or what terms might have been available. It is possible that Ashton got the best deal possible.
However, to have to accept 50% of what he's realistically worth, AND give some of that to City leaves us with a percentage return (and more importantly an absolute cash return) that seems inadequate given quite how much better Delap has turned out to be than anyone could reasonably have hoped.
Plus, the most frustrating thing about this is that it's not powerful City that have got one over on us, it's Delap. As it's being reported, this is not a matching deal in City's favour, or an option to buy in City's favour. It's an option in /Delap's/ favour to require that he be released from his contract if we are relegated and receive a bid of a certain amount (said to be £30m). That seems a very advantageous clause for a young unproven player to have negotiated in circumstances where the clause was bad for BOTH clubs involved in the deal (Town obviously would prefer it not to exist, and City's sell on fee will be depressed by the £30m depressed sale price).
So if it's as reported, I don't think Ashton has done brilliantly. But without Delap, this season would have been so much worse, and we've made a profit that's probably similar to an entirely year's season ticket income. Worse things happen at sea. |
Tho our profit margin may be higher if not all the add-ons have been triggered (e.g. senior international call-up). |  |
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| Liam Delap on 20:29 - Apr 24 with 3814 views | farkenhell |
| Liam Delap on 19:49 - Apr 24 by HighgateBlue |
(a) if it's last year, I know nothing of Liam Delap. I trust Kieran, but he might be a flop, much like any number of our other signings might be. Apart from Kalvin Phillips. He's bound to be brilliant.
(b) those were not the terms of the deal. There were three (maybe 4) important differences:
1) we paid a huge transfer fee. He wasn't free.
2) we had to pay his wages. He wasn't free.
3) we weren't guaranteed £10m profit, or even a penny recouped on the transfer fee.
4) I'm not even certain the profit will be £10m given the reported sell on clause in City's favour.
If he'd got injured or been rubbish, that would be huge money down the drain. It was a risk. The rewards of him being half decent should have been ours. And if he was stellar (as turned out to be the case), then the rewards should have been bigger.
You can perfectly well say "It's April 2025. We've had Delap for a season, he's scored some great goals and been wonderful, and we make £10m profit on him, come on, that's not bad business." And that's a respectable argument.
But it's not the same as saying that the deal that was actually done was good AT THE TIME, i.e. when nobody knew whether Delap would be either awesome, out of his depth, somewhere in between, or injured.
None of us knows exactly what the clause says, and that's part of the problem. Nor do we know what other suitors Delap had, at what price, or what terms might have been available. It is possible that Ashton got the best deal possible.
However, to have to accept 50% of what he's realistically worth, AND give some of that to City leaves us with a percentage return (and more importantly an absolute cash return) that seems inadequate given quite how much better Delap has turned out to be than anyone could reasonably have hoped.
Plus, the most frustrating thing about this is that it's not powerful City that have got one over on us, it's Delap. As it's being reported, this is not a matching deal in City's favour, or an option to buy in City's favour. It's an option in /Delap's/ favour to require that he be released from his contract if we are relegated and receive a bid of a certain amount (said to be £30m). That seems a very advantageous clause for a young unproven player to have negotiated in circumstances where the clause was bad for BOTH clubs involved in the deal (Town obviously would prefer it not to exist, and City's sell on fee will be depressed by the £30m depressed sale price).
So if it's as reported, I don't think Ashton has done brilliantly. But without Delap, this season would have been so much worse, and we've made a profit that's probably similar to an entirely year's season ticket income. Worse things happen at sea. |
Some very good points. | | | |
| Liam Delap on 21:01 - Apr 24 with 3697 views | tonybied |
| Liam Delap on 19:46 - Apr 24 by mutters |
It is definitely putting a positive spin on a *potentially* low transfer fee.
If he had tanked as a player, then nobody would be giving us £30 million for him. We have taken the risk, developed him as a player, given him the chance to play and gain experience (though I do believe he wouldn't have initially played as much if Hirst hadn't go injured), so to only get a £10-15 million profit, even before adds on are removed seems low.
However, I get the need to put a positive spin on it. I still am not 100% sure that the £30 million figure is true or that he will actually leave. Maybe it's me putting a positive spin on it now :-D |
That's all true but alternatively, we could've refused the clause and lost him to Southampton. Then we'd have no Delap and no profit. I think I'd rather we had him and made a small profit than not. |  | | |
| Liam Delap on 21:46 - Apr 24 with 3566 views | JeremiahBrown |
Would we be able to keep him and loan him to a Premier league Club, until such times as we are back in the Premier league? | | | |
| Liam Delap on 21:47 - Apr 24 with 3585 views | itfcjoe |
I’ve had an update from ‘The Athletic Transfer Insiders Group’ tonight on WhatsApp - I assume anyone can join this so I’m not claiming to be special here…..
But David Ornstein was asked about it and said the below:
Eoin C. asked: “Hi David — a nice and simple question for you. What’s the most realistic landing spot for Liam Delap? Based on player preference and those close to him, not the clubs being linked.”
Ornstein: No favourite yet, Eoin. He will assess all of the many options and consider what level he wants to take his next step at. I suspect he’ll then whittle it down to a small number of candidates and make a decision before the Under-21 Euros.
We know the contenders — including Ipswich, by the way — and the destination will become apparent over the next month or so.
I just don’t see why McK would have said it again, how he did and why Ornstein would significantly reference it. Ornstein is the best connected and most accurate transfer guy out there, and it’s not even close, and is also careful with what he says in the main.
Not getting hopes up, or anything like that - but it must be much more likely than it seemed this morning [Post edited 24 Apr 21:53]
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| Liam Delap on 22:41 - Apr 24 with 3370 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Liam Delap on 21:46 - Apr 24 by JeremiahBrown |
Would we be able to keep him and loan him to a Premier league Club, until such times as we are back in the Premier league? |
That is a mental suggestion for all parties. Apologies if you're mental, but that is mental. | | | |
| Liam Delap on 23:13 - Apr 24 with 3250 views | textbackup |
| Liam Delap on 19:28 - Apr 24 by flykickingbybgunn |
So.
It's last year.
Right ?
You can have Delap for free this season and at the end of the year you can have £10m ?
Do you want that deal ? |
Have we not paid the player for a season? Or have his wages been factored in? |  |
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| Liam Delap on 23:27 - Apr 24 with 3184 views | Illinoisblue |
| Liam Delap on 21:47 - Apr 24 by itfcjoe |
I’ve had an update from ‘The Athletic Transfer Insiders Group’ tonight on WhatsApp - I assume anyone can join this so I’m not claiming to be special here…..
But David Ornstein was asked about it and said the below:
Eoin C. asked: “Hi David — a nice and simple question for you. What’s the most realistic landing spot for Liam Delap? Based on player preference and those close to him, not the clubs being linked.”
Ornstein: No favourite yet, Eoin. He will assess all of the many options and consider what level he wants to take his next step at. I suspect he’ll then whittle it down to a small number of candidates and make a decision before the Under-21 Euros.
We know the contenders — including Ipswich, by the way — and the destination will become apparent over the next month or so.
I just don’t see why McK would have said it again, how he did and why Ornstein would significantly reference it. Ornstein is the best connected and most accurate transfer guy out there, and it’s not even close, and is also careful with what he says in the main.
Not getting hopes up, or anything like that - but it must be much more likely than it seemed this morning [Post edited 24 Apr 21:53]
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Interesting. I suspect we’ll get outspent on wages by a mid tier prem club - or he’ll understandably be tempted to sign for a genuine big club - but these noises are mildly pleasing. |  |
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| Liam Delap on 23:28 - Apr 24 with 3182 views | Big_Jase |
| Liam Delap on 21:47 - Apr 24 by itfcjoe |
I’ve had an update from ‘The Athletic Transfer Insiders Group’ tonight on WhatsApp - I assume anyone can join this so I’m not claiming to be special here…..
But David Ornstein was asked about it and said the below:
Eoin C. asked: “Hi David — a nice and simple question for you. What’s the most realistic landing spot for Liam Delap? Based on player preference and those close to him, not the clubs being linked.”
Ornstein: No favourite yet, Eoin. He will assess all of the many options and consider what level he wants to take his next step at. I suspect he’ll then whittle it down to a small number of candidates and make a decision before the Under-21 Euros.
We know the contenders — including Ipswich, by the way — and the destination will become apparent over the next month or so.
I just don’t see why McK would have said it again, how he did and why Ornstein would significantly reference it. Ornstein is the best connected and most accurate transfer guy out there, and it’s not even close, and is also careful with what he says in the main.
Not getting hopes up, or anything like that - but it must be much more likely than it seemed this morning [Post edited 24 Apr 21:53]
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Just pre-order next years kits with Delap on the back after reading this. 100 points 100 goals. |  |
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| Liam Delap on 00:02 - Apr 25 with 3060 views | itfctilidie |
Through blue tinted glasses, maybe delap weighs up options and realises at every option he isn't a nailed on starter and will likely be back on the bench again. He can back his ability of course and should have the confidence to do so. Or he might weigh up the options and see himself developing better under mckenna starting games regularly and firing ipswich back to the premiership. Through the tinted glasses, if he does stay now his stock is alot higher than say moving to a spurs or chelsea and being bit part for the next 12 months. Id imagine we are remunerating him pretty well as well. |  | | |
| Liam Delap on 00:07 - Apr 25 with 3048 views | PhilTWTD |
| Liam Delap on 21:47 - Apr 24 by itfcjoe |
I’ve had an update from ‘The Athletic Transfer Insiders Group’ tonight on WhatsApp - I assume anyone can join this so I’m not claiming to be special here…..
But David Ornstein was asked about it and said the below:
Eoin C. asked: “Hi David — a nice and simple question for you. What’s the most realistic landing spot for Liam Delap? Based on player preference and those close to him, not the clubs being linked.”
Ornstein: No favourite yet, Eoin. He will assess all of the many options and consider what level he wants to take his next step at. I suspect he’ll then whittle it down to a small number of candidates and make a decision before the Under-21 Euros.
We know the contenders — including Ipswich, by the way — and the destination will become apparent over the next month or so.
I just don’t see why McK would have said it again, how he did and why Ornstein would significantly reference it. Ornstein is the best connected and most accurate transfer guy out there, and it’s not even close, and is also careful with what he says in the main.
Not getting hopes up, or anything like that - but it must be much more likely than it seemed this morning [Post edited 24 Apr 21:53]
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I don't see it. Chelsea and Man U favourites as it stands, from what I gather. See no reason why LD would want to stay here next year. Don't see him getting a place in the World Cup squad if he's playing in the Championship. |  | | |
| Liam Delap on 00:29 - Apr 25 with 2989 views | ReusersTown |
| Liam Delap on 21:47 - Apr 24 by itfcjoe |
I’ve had an update from ‘The Athletic Transfer Insiders Group’ tonight on WhatsApp - I assume anyone can join this so I’m not claiming to be special here…..
But David Ornstein was asked about it and said the below:
Eoin C. asked: “Hi David — a nice and simple question for you. What’s the most realistic landing spot for Liam Delap? Based on player preference and those close to him, not the clubs being linked.”
Ornstein: No favourite yet, Eoin. He will assess all of the many options and consider what level he wants to take his next step at. I suspect he’ll then whittle it down to a small number of candidates and make a decision before the Under-21 Euros.
We know the contenders — including Ipswich, by the way — and the destination will become apparent over the next month or so.
I just don’t see why McK would have said it again, how he did and why Ornstein would significantly reference it. Ornstein is the best connected and most accurate transfer guy out there, and it’s not even close, and is also careful with what he says in the main.
Not getting hopes up, or anything like that - but it must be much more likely than it seemed this morning [Post edited 24 Apr 21:53]
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The most confusing and hopeful part of it all from my perspective is Ashton's statement 2 weeks before the apparent £30 mill clause reveal. I just don't understand why he would have emphasized how well we are protected if that clause existed. What does he have to gain from that, he would know that spinning such a low fee wouldn't be possible. | | | |
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