| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal 19:11 - Aug 5 with 10937 views | Zonderman |
If true that’s pretty poor form. I get where they are coming from as apparently they need some cash but not a great way of conducting business all the same. |  | | |  |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 21:57 - Aug 5 with 1989 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 19:20 - Aug 5 by pointofblue |
Legally they're well within they're rights. Morally - for want of better word - it stinks. |
“Get it in writing” is an adage for a reason. Until the contract is signed, it’s all up for grabs. They were saying the same about us when we initially hijacked their detail. We don’t have any moral high ground here. |  |
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| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 21:57 - Aug 5 with 1994 views | football |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 19:23 - Aug 5 by homer_123 |
Does it? I don't think so - that's business.
What would stink is if they accepted the loan, the player travels pass the medical and then they say no to the loan - with no other deal in place. Just decide not to let the player go.
Although, if they lost a couple of players to injury, could you begrudge them? |
I'd argue it stinks as they had accepted two loans at us and Brum and hence the player was rightly in a position to choose team, and did likewise. Ajax moved the goalposts after he had chosen and had a medical (if indeed it is correct they don't like a loan anymore and not seen any evidence of that) which I think is unfair on the player, and indeed the clubs. | | | |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 21:58 - Aug 5 with 1976 views | football |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 19:25 - Aug 5 by BloomBlue |
Brum probably don't want him now, just playing a game to stop Town registering him in-time for Friday's game. |
Can't imagine he'd play anyway so new in | | | |
| I think they were.... on 21:59 - Aug 5 with 1945 views | PhilTWTD |
| I think they were.... on 21:42 - Aug 5 by Bloots |
....after the German striker before they were even linked with Chubs.
Their fans were certainly chatting about him a while back, so not sure if they were after both. Maybe.
I was making the point earlier that he was obviously happy to join Birmingham before we nipped in, my understanding was that he was basically on his way there.
Do you think we will have to rejig our offer? Or just sit tight and hope for the best? |
I think we're just progressing our move as was. He's told Ajax he doesn't want to go to Birmingham. Was a Birmingham reporter which suggested the German striker was moved for as a result of Akpom falling through, although may well have been previous nibble for him. |  | | |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 22:01 - Aug 5 with 1872 views | itfcsuth |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 20:06 - Aug 5 by MK1 |
Can't we buy him? |
As per my previous post:
“I suppose the problem with a permanent deal is the wages, if we were to stay in the Championship beyond next season.
I think if we are obligating to sign the player permanently in the PL, we’d obviously have him permanently in the Champ.” [Post edited 5 Aug 22:01]
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| Without sounding unfaithful.... on 22:04 - Aug 5 with 1823 views | Bloots |
| I think they were.... on 21:59 - Aug 5 by PhilTWTD |
I think we're just progressing our move as was. He's told Ajax he doesn't want to go to Birmingham. Was a Birmingham reporter which suggested the German striker was moved for as a result of Akpom falling through, although may well have been previous nibble for him. |
....I was looking at the Birmingham forum and they were excited about getting Chubs and Ducks(?), so it was definitely being spoken about prior.
You confident?
Just realised Chubs & Ducks sounds like an 80's ventriloquist act. Keith Harris with Chubs & Ducks. |  |
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| Without sounding unfaithful.... on 22:05 - Aug 5 with 1791 views | PhilTWTD |
| Without sounding unfaithful.... on 22:04 - Aug 5 by Bloots |
....I was looking at the Birmingham forum and they were excited about getting Chubs and Ducks(?), so it was definitely being spoken about prior.
You confident?
Just realised Chubs & Ducks sounds like an 80's ventriloquist act. Keith Harris with Chubs & Ducks. |
I think so. I don't see how you can sell a player to a club he doesn't want to go to and when he's made it clear he wants to go to another club. | | | |
| Without sounding unfaithful.... on 22:06 - Aug 5 with 1753 views | football |
| Without sounding unfaithful.... on 22:04 - Aug 5 by Bloots |
....I was looking at the Birmingham forum and they were excited about getting Chubs and Ducks(?), so it was definitely being spoken about prior.
You confident?
Just realised Chubs & Ducks sounds like an 80's ventriloquist act. Keith Harris with Chubs & Ducks. |
ffs -- now all I have going round my head is a stupid green bird singing "I wish I could fly, right up to the sky but I can't".....d'oh | | | |
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| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 22:09 - Aug 5 with 1662 views | mellowblue |
I don't get how it is bad form, this is just business. Akpom is just a pawn in the game. Ajax need to make the best of a bad situation. If they can get a permanent deal of 7 million less a couple of million to pay the player's wage difference, then why would they not do it, rather than loan and potentially see an unwanted player on a huge wage return in a year's time. If the goalposts have changed then so must our offer if we want him that much. I doubt it is some testosterone fuelled move from Brum to get one over on us, they generally want him and if it means we have to sign him on a permanent deal, then that is what we will likely have to do. Unless of course, Brum sign the German and suddenly lose interest in Akpom. | | | |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 22:20 - Aug 5 with 1465 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 19:25 - Aug 5 by djgooder |
Would be unusual to shoot both feet! |
Sawn off shotgun could manage that, comfortably.
Well, very, very uncomfortable for the person getting shot, obviously. | | | |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 22:20 - Aug 5 with 1463 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 22:09 - Aug 5 by mellowblue |
I don't get how it is bad form, this is just business. Akpom is just a pawn in the game. Ajax need to make the best of a bad situation. If they can get a permanent deal of 7 million less a couple of million to pay the player's wage difference, then why would they not do it, rather than loan and potentially see an unwanted player on a huge wage return in a year's time. If the goalposts have changed then so must our offer if we want him that much. I doubt it is some testosterone fuelled move from Brum to get one over on us, they generally want him and if it means we have to sign him on a permanent deal, then that is what we will likely have to do. Unless of course, Brum sign the German and suddenly lose interest in Akpom. |
It's just the shifting of the goalposts which is slightly bad form (if indeed they pull the plug on a loan which Phil hasn't stated) having agreed a deal with the club and the player.
If they always wanted to do a permanent deal they could have negotiated that from the outset. They didn't, they had an agreement that no doubt took many people a lot of time and effort and after agreeing to it, they've tried to change the terms.
I understand why they did it, it's business but it can be that and bad form. | | | |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 22:21 - Aug 5 with 1447 views | Horsham |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 22:09 - Aug 5 by mellowblue |
I don't get how it is bad form, this is just business. Akpom is just a pawn in the game. Ajax need to make the best of a bad situation. If they can get a permanent deal of 7 million less a couple of million to pay the player's wage difference, then why would they not do it, rather than loan and potentially see an unwanted player on a huge wage return in a year's time. If the goalposts have changed then so must our offer if we want him that much. I doubt it is some testosterone fuelled move from Brum to get one over on us, they generally want him and if it means we have to sign him on a permanent deal, then that is what we will likely have to do. Unless of course, Brum sign the German and suddenly lose interest in Akpom. |
I’ve said eleswhere but if Ipswich made Ajax a formal offer that Ajax accepted subject Akpom agreeing personal terms and if Akpom has and is ready to sign then I would say Ajax would be very out of line in not releasing Akpom’s registration. Offer and acceptance mean something legally. |  | | |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 22:24 - Aug 5 with 1387 views | tortoise |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 22:20 - Aug 5 by Bellevue_Blue |
It's just the shifting of the goalposts which is slightly bad form (if indeed they pull the plug on a loan which Phil hasn't stated) having agreed a deal with the club and the player.
If they always wanted to do a permanent deal they could have negotiated that from the outset. They didn't, they had an agreement that no doubt took many people a lot of time and effort and after agreeing to it, they've tried to change the terms.
I understand why they did it, it's business but it can be that and bad form. |
It’s more unfair on the player than us as a club… expecting him to go and sign for a club he’s already rejected for one of its rivals… | | | |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 08:38 - Aug 6 with 622 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 19:29 - Aug 5 by JakeITFC |
Other than the principle of it, I’m not sure that we’d really be much worse off from a liability/value perspective by committing to a permanent deal at £6m v a loan with obligation (with an upfront loan fee and £7m on promotion).
The discount surely offsets any liability of him being on our books for a year at this divisions revenue levels. [Post edited 5 Aug 19:32]
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Imagine we wouldn't want to commit to matching or bettering his Ajax wage (to get him to move) as a Championship club on a 3 year contract? Bit different if you are committing to it as a PL club. | | | |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 08:39 - Aug 6 with 601 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 08:38 - Aug 6 by tractorboy1978 |
Imagine we wouldn't want to commit to matching or bettering his Ajax wage (to get him to move) as a Championship club on a 3 year contract? Bit different if you are committing to it as a PL club. |
He’s reportedly Ajax’s highest earner on 50k a week. |  |
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| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 08:45 - Aug 6 with 490 views | dirtyboy |
I tend to look at these things from the other side.
If we had a player who we didn't really want/need, and a loan seemed likely to get him off the books to perhaps free up cash for something or just ease the burden, but then this opportunity to remove the entire liability arose, as a club, you'd have a duty to do what is best for the club at that moment in time.
We're not talking a few grand and saying "oh well...as a gesuture of goodwill" we're talking hundreds of thousands, perhaps more, figures that can pay the wages of plenty of non-playing staff at a club for an entire year or more.
I'm all for the club not rushing to spend money, it also sets a precedent when dealing with another club who'd be inclined to just hold fire and wait for us to 'stump up'. You then go down the slippery slope of Man Utd, paying over the odds for bang average players, just because you have the money.
We're doing okay.
It's not perfect, i'd have loved Cajuste, Hackney and Akpom to be lining up against Birmingham and it's clear the club are trying, but still have to manage the money of investors with clear objectives and parameters in place.
Easy to spend money when it's not yours right? |  | | |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 08:45 - Aug 6 with 486 views | norfsufblue |
| Ajax now rumoured not to be sanctioning an Akpom loan deal on 08:38 - Aug 6 by tractorboy1978 |
Imagine we wouldn't want to commit to matching or bettering his Ajax wage (to get him to move) as a Championship club on a 3 year contract? Bit different if you are committing to it as a PL club. |
Thats what intrigues me about Brums reported purchase.... they would still have to agree a financial package at his near Ajax wage over several years ..... big commitment if the promised land is not reached to fund it sensibly? |  | | |
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