| Burley's sacking. 21:14 - Aug 30 with 3939 views | Trequartista |
Burley was sacked after 12 points from 10 games after we'd been relegated, 16 months on from a miracle season.
Just thought I'd mention it. |  |
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| Burley's sacking. on 23:22 - Aug 30 with 758 views | mellowblue |
| Burley's sacking. on 23:13 - Aug 30 by SuffolkPunchFC |
And it was criminal we sacked him. One of the worst decisions the club ever made, although it was in financial distress at the time, which possibly influenced the decision. |
There was more to the picture than met the eye at the time. Burley was struggling and needed a change of scene for his own health. I will say no more. |  | | |
| Burley's sacking. on 23:25 - Aug 30 with 721 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Burley's sacking. on 23:00 - Aug 30 by Churchman |
They’ve said on several occasions that KM has the final say on a player. Were they both telling lies? |
Happy to agree to differ.
I suspect Ashton has the balance of power, him and the recruitment team identify the players, it's hard for KM to say no without an extremely string reason. |  |
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| Burley's sacking. on 23:28 - Aug 30 with 698 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Burley's sacking. on 23:25 - Aug 30 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Happy to agree to differ.
I suspect Ashton has the balance of power, him and the recruitment team identify the players, it's hard for KM to say no without an extremely string reason. |
I don't think it was profit searching as the fees paid out and the clauses included pretty much limited those profits. I think it was at the time the best we could find within our limited data analysis available. |  |
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| Burley's sacking. on 23:29 - Aug 30 with 684 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Burley's sacking. on 22:40 - Aug 30 by Vic |
Who's been sold in order to make a profit MM?
Some have been sold and made a profit, but I doubt any have been sold just to make one.
Delap and Hutch both wanted to play in the prem, Broadhead wanted to go to Wales. Thats it isnt it? |
Buying players to make a long term profit is the model. See Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth.
That's just a fact. You don't think Ashton buys players with the intention of getting an uplift in value? That's what all clubs try to do.
I didn't say anyone had been pushed out of the door. Hutch is a prime example of the model. Not forced out, but made a hefty profit when he left. | |
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| Burley's sacking. on 23:31 - Aug 30 with 673 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Burley's sacking. on 23:28 - Aug 30 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't think it was profit searching as the fees paid out and the clauses included pretty much limited those profits. I think it was at the time the best we could find within our limited data analysis available. |
Youre getting confused
The model is to make a profit on players when they leave
I didn't suggest anyone was forced out!!!!!! 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄 | |
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| Burley's sacking. on 23:33 - Aug 30 with 642 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Burley's sacking. on 23:31 - Aug 30 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Youre getting confused
The model is to make a profit on players when they leave
I didn't suggest anyone was forced out!!!!!! 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄 |
No I know. But for me if it were about signing players for profit over anything else. We'd have signed more players under 15 mill. Given them prem experiences and sold them on for higher profits. | |
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| Burley's sacking. on 23:42 - Aug 30 with 601 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Burley's sacking. on 23:33 - Aug 30 by FrimleyBlue |
No I know. But for me if it were about signing players for profit over anything else. We'd have signed more players under 15 mill. Given them prem experiences and sold them on for higher profits. |
Of course, everyone in the world would rather do that.
I'm not suggesting MA did a good job in his player trading, I'm just saying what his intentions likely were.
He thought he could get the same returns out of Philogene etc that he got from Hutch. | |
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| Burley's sacking. on 23:43 - Aug 30 with 599 views | Trequartista |
| Burley's sacking. on 22:56 - Aug 30 by Everydayblue |
Remind us what the clubs fortunes were after that.....
20 plus years without a promotion?
Just thought I'd mention it. |
Not sure of your point - that we shouldn't have sacked Burley? I'm inclined to agree I think we could have given him longer but I'm in the minority, the majority feel there was no coming back from the Grimsby performance. | |
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| Burley's sacking. on 23:45 - Aug 30 with 589 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Burley's sacking. on 21:39 - Aug 30 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Nah, I think Ashton was keen to spend money to try to make profit.
KM would have an input. But not solely responsible |
That does not make sense as we seem to be paying over the odds for most of our players now. We did well with Delap, Hutchinson and Broadhead but we got nothing or very little for anyone else. On the other hand we have paid too much for most of the new recruits ( even from last season ). | | | |
| Burley's sacking. on 23:50 - Aug 30 with 569 views | positivity |
| Burley's sacking. on 23:45 - Aug 30 by eirannach_gorm |
That does not make sense as we seem to be paying over the odds for most of our players now. We did well with Delap, Hutchinson and Broadhead but we got nothing or very little for anyone else. On the other hand we have paid too much for most of the new recruits ( even from last season ). |
who've we sold at a major loss though? biggest i can think of is harness at 750k (c.6% of the profit we made on omari) | |
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| Burley's sacking. on 23:52 - Aug 30 with 562 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Burley's sacking. on 23:45 - Aug 30 by eirannach_gorm |
That does not make sense as we seem to be paying over the odds for most of our players now. We did well with Delap, Hutchinson and Broadhead but we got nothing or very little for anyone else. On the other hand we have paid too much for most of the new recruits ( even from last season ). |
It didn't work out, but his (and every club in the worlds) intention is to make profit on players.
......and thats perfectly OK. | |
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| Burley's sacking. on 23:53 - Aug 30 with 555 views | CopfordBlue |
| Burley's sacking. on 23:17 - Aug 30 by mrfixit426 |
I've seen some div comments on here, but that's right up there. |
It’s a fact and was in direct response to a comparison with Burley’s record over 5 and a half years. | |
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| Burley's sacking. on 01:38 - Aug 31 with 490 views | Ryorry |
| Burley's sacking. on 21:39 - Aug 30 by CopfordBlue |
Something was clearly broken at the time and I doubt that many who were at Grimsby that night thought it was the wrong decision at the time. We’re in a different place now, the foundations seem more solid and I don’t feel that KM is only 6 games away from the same fate . Then again, if we don’t pick up some wins soon and performances don’t improve, one really poor performance like the Grimsby one could see the position change. My view is that the owners will act if they feel automatic promotion is slipping out of reach. They’ve not invested the money they have to see us be battling for a play off spot during the second half of the season. |
Agree with first half of your post - was there that night at Grimsby, getting soaked with the rain driving into us and Kabba driving through our players like a hot knife through butter.
Totally different situation, we played so badly there that we and all the other travelling fans around us knew & accepted that Burley would be gone by next morning, it was inevitable. |  |
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| Burley's sacking. on 02:06 - Aug 31 with 462 views | pointofblue |
| Burley's sacking. on 01:38 - Aug 31 by Ryorry |
Agree with first half of your post - was there that night at Grimsby, getting soaked with the rain driving into us and Kabba driving through our players like a hot knife through butter.
Totally different situation, we played so badly there that we and all the other travelling fans around us knew & accepted that Burley would be gone by next morning, it was inevitable. |
I don't know why but I thought it took a couple of days. Lost to Grimsby on the Tuesday but he was sacked on the Friday. Was surprised because it seemed like he had got away with it. | |
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| Burley's sacking. on 02:13 - Aug 31 with 443 views | Ryorry |
| Burley's sacking. on 02:06 - Aug 31 by pointofblue |
I don't know why but I thought it took a couple of days. Lost to Grimsby on the Tuesday but he was sacked on the Friday. Was surprised because it seemed like he had got away with it. |
You might be right about the length of time, but we were in no doubt he’d be going - maybe something to do with how the players seemed to have lost all heart. | |
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| Burley's sacking. on 02:22 - Aug 31 with 425 views | Kievthegreat |
| Burley's sacking. on 23:15 - Aug 30 by FrimleyBlue |
Having spent 220 million overall (approx,) |
£150m last year, £50m this year and probably £10m in the 2 years prior by my reckoning. Total of £210m so not far off outgoings.
However we sold 3 of those players for £75m. If you just stack up the amount we spend and ignore any incomings you've just got a meaningless number. That number would include £20m for Omari and then £17.5m for Egeli as his replacement, but we only have Egeli.
The net spend is ~£135m. It's still a lot. It's still a stick that can be used to criticise underperformance given the resources at our disposal. Doesn't need us to generate nonsense stats like your £220m which doesn't give anything meaningful. |  | | |
| Burley's sacking. on 02:36 - Aug 31 with 404 views | Minneapolis_ITFC |
Ridiculous in retrospect George was fired so soon after taking the club to a promotion, 5th position EPL finish and European wins over Inter Milan for example. Not only that, guided the club to a play-off chance every year from 1997 - 99 before victory the year after.
He was at the time, many would argue third only to Ramsey and Robson in terms of achievement and while after relegation in 2002 it had fallen away badly he had simply provided so much good to the club name it were almost shameful to dispose of his services.
Unfortunately this industry is a results business and people were forced to act. Just think in retrospect he was moved out too quickly but Royle did OK for us with the play-off opportunities then after before he himself made way. |  | | |
| Burley's sacking. on 03:23 - Aug 31 with 349 views | ITFC_History |
| Burley's sacking. on 21:39 - Aug 30 by CopfordBlue |
Something was clearly broken at the time and I doubt that many who were at Grimsby that night thought it was the wrong decision at the time. We’re in a different place now, the foundations seem more solid and I don’t feel that KM is only 6 games away from the same fate . Then again, if we don’t pick up some wins soon and performances don’t improve, one really poor performance like the Grimsby one could see the position change. My view is that the owners will act if they feel automatic promotion is slipping out of reach. They’ve not invested the money they have to see us be battling for a play off spot during the second half of the season. |
My memories from that night regarding Burley's last game was the players looked shattered, not helped by playing three away games in five days.
We played in Yugoslavia on a Thursday night (won 1-0), played Wimbledon on the Sunday (won 1-0) Then two days later we played away to Grimsby where we were very fortunate to just lose 3-0. [Post edited 31 Aug 3:24]
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| Burley's sacking. on 03:32 - Aug 31 with 337 views | pointofblue |
| Burley's sacking. on 03:23 - Aug 31 by ITFC_History |
My memories from that night regarding Burley's last game was the players looked shattered, not helped by playing three away games in five days.
We played in Yugoslavia on a Thursday night (won 1-0), played Wimbledon on the Sunday (won 1-0) Then two days later we played away to Grimsby where we were very fortunate to just lose 3-0. [Post edited 31 Aug 3:24]
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Why on Earth did we play on the Tuesday instead of the Wednesday? Would not happen today.
I remember going to Portman Road for the Sheffield Wednesday game directly after Burley's sacking. Felt very odd. He was basically all I knew as Town manager at the time.
Oddly enough I think we played Sheffield Wednesday at home straight after another managerial sacking as well - Paul Jewell's. After that game, with Hutchings in charge, I really feared we were going down. | |
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| Burley's sacking. on 07:18 - Aug 31 with 271 views | muccletonjoe |
| Burley's sacking. on 23:21 - Aug 30 by positivity |
bobby robson took us from 12th to 19th in 3 years, after that my memory fails me!
4 games with half the new squad not up to speed is not a reason to disregard two promotions quite yet! |
Those defenders are not upto speed after 4 games ? The midfield not upto speed when Cajuste clearly stated he was, neither of those are going to change, and then we have a whole battalion of forward players , not one of them capable of taking on defenders let alone beating them. Keep looking for the improvements |  | | |
| Burley's sacking. on 08:38 - Aug 31 with 205 views | BeachBlue |
Yeah and after that we drifted in the wilderness for years, barring two play off runs and an inevitable relegation.
I'm as frustrated and concerned as anyone but is changing the manager going to solve it? |  | | |
| Burley's sacking. on 08:42 - Aug 31 with 187 views | WestSussexBlue |
| Burley's sacking. on 21:32 - Aug 30 by CopfordBlue |
It’s getting tiresome that every time someone makes a legitimate statement or observation , it’s met with this type of comment. |
Fair enough, the OP is all factual, it’s the “just thought I’d mention it” that isn’t necessary.
It’s stoking the flames to start unrest towards KMc. | | | |
| Burley's sacking. on 09:54 - Aug 31 with 127 views | bsw72 |
| Burley's sacking. on 23:53 - Aug 30 by CopfordBlue |
It’s a fact and was in direct response to a comparison with Burley’s record over 5 and a half years. |
Not really a comparison. That could only be made over a comparative timeline which considering McKenna is not even at 4 years yet makes it impossible
There is no comparison as the two situations are completely different currently. |  | | |
| Burley's sacking. on 09:56 - Aug 31 with 125 views | jaseitfc2015 |
It feels more like 03/04 to me - we didn’t win in August that season and then went on that run from September , finished 5th | | | |
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