| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah 20:24 - Sep 10 with 13197 views | ElderGrizzly |
Was speaking at a University event and appears to have been shot (from distance) in the neck.
And actually shot, not the Donald Trump kind.
Horrific whatever your political views and has no place in politics
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 05:59 - Sep 11 with 1375 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 21:50 - Sep 10 by ElderGrizzly |
Reported to have died
While Musk is already (dangerously) blaming the ‘left’
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And just like clockwork Trump blames the left in an oval office address
They have no suspect when he did this. They have no evidence.
All he’s doing is putting out a call for arms to his followers and someone (else) prominent is going to die as a result. His MAGA disciples are following the line too.
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 06:29 - Sep 11 with 1288 views | chantryblueboy |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 05:59 - Sep 11 by ElderGrizzly |
And just like clockwork Trump blames the left in an oval office address
They have no suspect when he did this. They have no evidence.
All he’s doing is putting out a call for arms to his followers and someone (else) prominent is going to die as a result. His MAGA disciples are following the line too.
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How different is this to the ‘the far right is the greatest threat to this country’ narrative that we hear every 6 months? |  | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 06:35 - Sep 11 with 1264 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 06:29 - Sep 11 by chantryblueboy |
How different is this to the ‘the far right is the greatest threat to this country’ narrative that we hear every 6 months? |
Because in political violence terms, those who apparently lean right are behind most of it
Anyone who uses a platform of the Presidency or any elected office to spread lies and rhetoric to inflame shouldn’t be in that position.
Charlie Kirk was assassinated by a professional. This wasn’t a random guy shooting from over 200 yards away and hitting with both shots. The talk should be identifying who and why.
Charlie Kirk himself had said previously his views on Israel could get him killed. Maybe he was right. | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 06:37 - Sep 11 with 1258 views | iamatractorboy |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 06:29 - Sep 11 by chantryblueboy |
How different is this to the ‘the far right is the greatest threat to this country’ narrative that we hear every 6 months? |
For a start, the Democratic party is a million miles from being 'the radical left' and all the other rubbish that Trump etc call it. That's not an opinion that's just a fact if you compare to the rest of the world. Whereas a good deal of Republican MAGA most certainly is far right. | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 06:46 - Sep 11 with 1238 views | Mullet |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 06:29 - Sep 11 by chantryblueboy |
How different is this to the ‘the far right is the greatest threat to this country’ narrative that we hear every 6 months? |
Very, it’s not true. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 06:59 - Sep 11 with 1187 views | iamatractorboy |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 06:37 - Sep 11 by iamatractorboy |
For a start, the Democratic party is a million miles from being 'the radical left' and all the other rubbish that Trump etc call it. That's not an opinion that's just a fact if you compare to the rest of the world. Whereas a good deal of Republican MAGA most certainly is far right. |
Just to add to this, you can also tell who is 'a threat to the country' by their, you know, actions whilst in power. How about (not so randomly) sweeping brown people off the streets without cause and then deporting them to dangerous prisons in El Salvador etc. And then having their complicit Supreme Court buddies rubber stamp this by saying it is legal to racially profile someone before doing so (to use a very recent example). | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 07:05 - Sep 11 with 1154 views | Simonds92 |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 02:30 - Sep 11 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
This might surprise you considering you post 17 new Guardian linked threads a day about the subject this thread isn’t about Gaza you absolute cretin.
Well it wasn’t until you mentioned it again on here as well as posting offensive tripe about a guy that was just murdered. You’re such a wrong’un but then we all knew that with the way you used to hijack other threads on here in such a disrespectful manger. Like the one about it getting a scary for Jews out there. You couldn’t leave that alone either.
Can only imagine the reason you’re still getting away with this crap is now far left the board leans.
“If only he had a gun”
“Reaps what he sows”
Why not just celebrate a young father’s death like you really want to!
You’re truely pathetic. [Post edited 11 Sep 2:30]
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I would imagine that the overall point is that, although someone being killed is never ok and it is very upsetting having seen it, Charlie Kirk is a pro-gun lobbyist who is quoted as saying its rational to have some gun related deaths each year to protect their right to own guns without there being any regulation. One of the typical lines from those gun lovers effectively deciding they're OK with lots of innocent people dying as long as its not them and they get to keep their guns.
Obviously there's a lot of outpouring of emotion of the murder and news coverage everywhere, which isnt reciprocated for literally innocent children being starved to death or blown to bits on an absolutely massive scale.
Personally, I believe everyone should be angry and outraged by the latter but I think a lot of people just look at it as numbers. The reality is that what happened to Charlie Kirk happens multiple times every day in Gaza. | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 07:18 - Sep 11 with 1090 views | iamatractorboy |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 05:59 - Sep 11 by ElderGrizzly |
And just like clockwork Trump blames the left in an oval office address
They have no suspect when he did this. They have no evidence.
All he’s doing is putting out a call for arms to his followers and someone (else) prominent is going to die as a result. His MAGA disciples are following the line too.
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The one about the Reichstag fire... bloody hell. | | | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 07:27 - Sep 11 with 1047 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 05:59 - Sep 11 by ElderGrizzly |
And just like clockwork Trump blames the left in an oval office address
They have no suspect when he did this. They have no evidence.
All he’s doing is putting out a call for arms to his followers and someone (else) prominent is going to die as a result. His MAGA disciples are following the line too.
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It's almost like some political social influencers have used 'culture wars' to stir up a climate of division and hatred. Well done them! |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 07:39 - Sep 11 with 988 views | DanTheMan |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 05:59 - Sep 11 by ElderGrizzly |
And just like clockwork Trump blames the left in an oval office address
They have no suspect when he did this. They have no evidence.
All he’s doing is putting out a call for arms to his followers and someone (else) prominent is going to die as a result. His MAGA disciples are following the line too.
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If all sides calmed the feck down things like this wouldn't happen.
But no.
We've all got to post the most outrageous takes for clicks and views. Everything has to be in the most inflammatory language for reactions.
It used to just be cranks posting or saying this stuff.
Now we've got world leaders doing it, because it works, it gets them attention.
This stuff is going to keep happening until people learn that we need to go back to politics not being an us vs. them. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 07:42 - Sep 11 with 961 views | noggin |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 21:04 - Sep 10 by textbackup |
I’m flicking through twitter, with no knowledge of what’s happened, and a video comes up.
Not that I need to explain how I came across it. I saw it once, and it’s horrendous. I won’t be watching again.
And no I don’t, Gaza and what is happening is of absolutely no interest to me. The freaks constantly banging on about it, waving that flag, get on my tits if truth be told. Sure that will go down well on here. |
"Gaza and what is happening is of absolutely no interest to me"
Yet people fleeing war and persecution, does interest you? |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 07:49 - Sep 11 with 910 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 05:59 - Sep 11 by ElderGrizzly |
And just like clockwork Trump blames the left in an oval office address
They have no suspect when he did this. They have no evidence.
All he’s doing is putting out a call for arms to his followers and someone (else) prominent is going to die as a result. His MAGA disciples are following the line too.
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It baffles me as to why, in this day and age, so many people are so gullible, easily led, and frankly stupid. We ought to be evolving but it seems like vast swathes are going the other way. It's like the film Idiocracy* is coming true.
*For anyone who doesn't know it, a very average American corporal is selected for a top-secret hibernation program but is forgotten and left to awaken to a future so incredibly moronic that he's easily the most intelligent person alive. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:01 - Sep 11 with 855 views | bsw72 |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 23:41 - Sep 10 by Swailsey |
I understand that. But on a base-level: death is death right? Why is there shock and prayers for one and not the other?
A family at sea searching for a way out of their country of hell, drowning in horrific, drawn-out circumstances is just as awful as a man being shot isn’t it? Families and children being bombed is just as awful.
All life is precious, all life is fleeting. We should condemn all murders and be equally outraged, no matter how far away it occurs. [Post edited 10 Sep 23:43]
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The idea that what is deemed newsworthy always reflects how people value lives is a misconception, especially in these times of social media and 24 hous rolling news.
News coverage prioritises stories based on factors like immediacy, drama, or audience interest rather than the ability to place any intrinsic worth of the lives involved. This leads to disproportionate attention on certain events or individuals like a political assassination while others, equally or more significant in human terms (drowning kids, Palestine etc) , receive little to no coverage, as they are sadly happening more frequently . . . look at this board yesterday, didn't reflect the news coverage but did reflect how people saw the impact on life.
Valuing lives is a deeply personal and cultural matter that goes beyond media portrayal, encompassing empathy, ethics, and social responsibility. Media focus does not necessarily mirror the true value people place on human life. |  | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:08 - Sep 11 with 797 views | Swailsey |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:01 - Sep 11 by bsw72 |
The idea that what is deemed newsworthy always reflects how people value lives is a misconception, especially in these times of social media and 24 hous rolling news.
News coverage prioritises stories based on factors like immediacy, drama, or audience interest rather than the ability to place any intrinsic worth of the lives involved. This leads to disproportionate attention on certain events or individuals like a political assassination while others, equally or more significant in human terms (drowning kids, Palestine etc) , receive little to no coverage, as they are sadly happening more frequently . . . look at this board yesterday, didn't reflect the news coverage but did reflect how people saw the impact on life.
Valuing lives is a deeply personal and cultural matter that goes beyond media portrayal, encompassing empathy, ethics, and social responsibility. Media focus does not necessarily mirror the true value people place on human life. |
I agree somewhat, but wouldn’t you say it helps shape that narrative and influence how some people think? |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:09 - Sep 11 with 801 views | noggin |
"Kirk said: "It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment". | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:10 - Sep 11 with 760 views | itfcjoe |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 07:49 - Sep 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It baffles me as to why, in this day and age, so many people are so gullible, easily led, and frankly stupid. We ought to be evolving but it seems like vast swathes are going the other way. It's like the film Idiocracy* is coming true.
*For anyone who doesn't know it, a very average American corporal is selected for a top-secret hibernation program but is forgotten and left to awaken to a future so incredibly moronic that he's easily the most intelligent person alive. |
We’ve gone from ithe Information Age to the misinformation age |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:16 - Sep 11 with 720 views | bsw72 |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:08 - Sep 11 by Swailsey |
I agree somewhat, but wouldn’t you say it helps shape that narrative and influence how some people think? |
Of couse it does, and always has done - this is nothing new, people are influenced by how others present things to them. The ability to think and evaluate independently has always been valued, and all of us carry an unconscious bias towards watching the sensational vs what becomes the perceived norm.
There's nothing new here or significantly different today, sadly it is media and human nature. | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:27 - Sep 11 with 654 views | brazil1982 |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 07:42 - Sep 11 by noggin |
"Gaza and what is happening is of absolutely no interest to me"
Yet people fleeing war and persecution, does interest you? |
Here he is. |  | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:34 - Sep 11 with 612 views | noggin |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:27 - Sep 11 by brazil1982 |
Here he is. |
Here he is. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:35 - Sep 11 with 582 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 20:38 - Sep 10 by DanTheMan |
Historically, it's not that unusual.
But agree with all the above, we shouldn't be solving our disagreements with violence.
This is the unfortunate reality when everyone keeps on upping the rhetoric for clicks and outrage. |
That’s what it boils down to. Especially as those mainstream media and social media channels whose purpose is to generate those clicks are becoming increasingly extreme. Twitter especially is a hotbed of fascism (parts of it are like 4Chan now).
I wouldn’t all be surprised see something akin to a civil war kick off, whatever that would look like in 21st Century US. Maybe they’re in the middle of one already but it’s today ‘fought’ mostly online. Who knows. I’m pretty sure any escalation of violence would play right into Trump’s hands. He obviously doesn’t need an excuse to deploy the army and is happy to do so on the basis of a lie, but we can be sure he’d make the most of a real wave of violence or crime.
I worry we’re going the same way. Our media have been desperate for more unrest over our summer flag fetish despite the protests and any trouble being considerably smaller than has been portrayed. We do tend to import trends from the US and certain parts of our political landscape have been embracing Republican money and ideas. We’re similarly fragmented, although anything here is more likely to play out with knives not guns. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:36 - Sep 11 with 569 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 05:59 - Sep 11 by ElderGrizzly |
And just like clockwork Trump blames the left in an oval office address
They have no suspect when he did this. They have no evidence.
All he’s doing is putting out a call for arms to his followers and someone (else) prominent is going to die as a result. His MAGA disciples are following the line too.
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Maybe I'm overreacting and someone with more knowledge of the situation can correct me, but it really feels like there's no path back to what you would think of as a "normal", well-functioning democracy for the US. The government spews hateful rhetoric daily, political violence is surging, and I don't believe for a minute that they would accept the result of an election that voted them out. | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:50 - Sep 11 with 484 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
First up, despite fundamentally disagreeing with his views it should be said this is very sad and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
The fall out could be huge, such a killing serves no purpose and just undermines attempts to push back on the MAGA agenda.
The right now have a martyr, this will be used heavily for political point scoring which in itself is quite unbecoming.
They will point and say "see" look at the lefties we told you and make political hay out of it.
It will wipe the Epstein files off the front pages. An issue which Trump was really struggling to overcome. So much scandal has slid of that man, and Epstein was sticking. This is (and I'm sorry to put it in these terms) a boon for Trump in so many ways.
Newsom has been doing a really good job of holding a mirror up to America and this will take the sting out of that too, he will look nasty if he gets the balance wrong now, his campaign was building momentum and he looked like someone should have a real run and 2028, I expect he still will but forces a likely change of tone that may not b3 as effective.
Bad all round and very sad |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:05 - Sep 11 with 401 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:50 - Sep 11 by BlueandTruesince82 |
First up, despite fundamentally disagreeing with his views it should be said this is very sad and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
The fall out could be huge, such a killing serves no purpose and just undermines attempts to push back on the MAGA agenda.
The right now have a martyr, this will be used heavily for political point scoring which in itself is quite unbecoming.
They will point and say "see" look at the lefties we told you and make political hay out of it.
It will wipe the Epstein files off the front pages. An issue which Trump was really struggling to overcome. So much scandal has slid of that man, and Epstein was sticking. This is (and I'm sorry to put it in these terms) a boon for Trump in so many ways.
Newsom has been doing a really good job of holding a mirror up to America and this will take the sting out of that too, he will look nasty if he gets the balance wrong now, his campaign was building momentum and he looked like someone should have a real run and 2028, I expect he still will but forces a likely change of tone that may not b3 as effective.
Bad all round and very sad |
It almost looks too convenient (assuming it does sweep away the Epstein trouble - hopefully it won't long term). | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:13 - Sep 11 with 366 views | Libero |
Charlie Kirk was a quasi-fascist who died doing what he loved, being insufferable and patronising to college kids.
What a fascinating array of responses in this thread.
I can only assume many of you have no idea who this man is, what he stands for, what his beliefs are? Because there’s some incredible paradox of tolerance stuff within this thread.
I find the framing of his death being about freedom of speech nauseating.
He was a prominent and influential voice for a quasi fascist regime, this isn’t people just disagreeing ideologically, he actively used his influence to support a quasi-fascist regime and actively showed himself to be repugnant and dangerous individual, with zero shame.
Someone in this thread tried to claim he wasn’t far right?! It’s absolutely absurd.
What has happened to him is a result of the rhetoric he stokes.
In a powerful hit of irony, his last words were about gun violence, where he tried to minimise and write off as ‘gang violence’ which anyone with a brain knows what he is dog whistling there.
I feel no sorrow for the world losing a fascist and I remind everyone that no fascist power has ever been overthrown without violence.
If you’re showing empathy for Kirk, don’t- he’s on record as saying empathy doesn’t exist and that it’s a modern phenomenon that is ‘dangerous’ lol [Post edited 11 Sep 9:15]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:14 - Sep 11 with 355 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:05 - Sep 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It almost looks too convenient (assuming it does sweep away the Epstein trouble - hopefully it won't long term). |
Honestly I did think that. I like to think of myself as someone who doesnt really get caught up in conspiracy but it makes you question doesnt it! Barely a day after Trumps drawing (that his lawyers first denied existed at all and now claim he doesn't draw, despite the existence of other drawings by him) for Epsteins birthday book is published and this happens!
Hows that for deep state America? | |
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