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I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here 08:57 - Nov 23 with 4567 views

Yesterday wasn't great, certainly not as a spectacle, and we really need to do better against that sort of team at home but.....

It was a 0-0 draw, not a defeat, and comes on the back of 10 points from the last 12. We controlled the game from start to finish (granted without a cutting edge), and ensured that we didn't do a Charlton and give them soft goals to nick the game.

Criticism of the performance yesterday is reasonable as we need to be better, but some of the comments on here last night, off the back of a run of 3 wins and 2 draws in the last 5 games, just seem a bit OTT.

Seems like there are a decent chunk of our fanbase who can't wait to jump on the negatives, just as (being balanced) there are some who are so positive as to almost feel blind to some of the issues that we are still solving.

Just think a bit more patience needs to be shown in terms of the bigger picture, when the general direction of travel seems to be in the right direction.

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As I noted yesterday…. on 16:36 - Nov 23 with 728 views

The_Flashing_Smile

As I noted yesterday…. on 16:23 - Nov 23 by BouncebackIpswich

Well at least I offer a viewpoint and discuss the football as you're supposed to on a football forum, instead of spending all my time in here adding nothing to discussions other than petty sneering comments at others and holding grudges against people who see things differently to you. Im just glad your ilk (see also the Flashing Smile) is a minority and most people on here are reasonable and willing to discuss the good and the bad. Which I am too despite your bs about 'relentless negativity'. When KM sorts out the many problems this team are currently suffering, and I have faith he eventually will, then I'll be just as delighted as everyone else. But as things stands we risk blowing a position of superiority and I'll continue to call it as I see it.

We see more of you on here after a draw or defeat.

Myself, Herbs and others are actually the majority - people who are reasonable, willing to discuss the good and the bad, and willing to look at the bigger picture rather than being too reactionary when things don't go 100% to plan. We are also willing to challenge people who we disagree with. You seem unable to deal with such challenges.

Going by some of the posting on here today, anyone would think we lost yesterday. I get that it's frustrating, but low-block teams sometimes do get the draw they've come for. It's just a fact of life.

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I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 16:37 - Nov 23 with 726 views

HighgateBlue

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 09:51 - Nov 23 by Herbivore

If we maintain the points per game average we've achieved since the transfer window closed - and it was a disruptive window for us right up to the end - we'll end up on 83 points come May. That might be enough for automatic promotion and that's without us getting any better than we've been in the last couple of months. I think we'll improve, there's been signs we're improving, so if we manage to keep progressing then we absolutely should be on track to go back up.

You're not taking into account which teams we're beating.

It will be impossible either to get 83 points or automatic promotion without ever beating a team outside of the bottom 10. We haven't beaten one side outside of the bottom 10 yet, and as such the value of our form is seriously questionable. If our PPG remains at the post-transfer window level after we've played every team once, I will be content. But at the moment, the evidence is not there to extrapolate.

As I noted yesterday…. on 16:38 - Nov 23 with 728 views

Herbivore

As I noted yesterday…. on 16:23 - Nov 23 by BouncebackIpswich

I contribute plenty, you can see some of my contributions by clicking on my username and viewing my posts. I just have little time for the relentlessly negative brigade who bring no sense of perspective and just piss and moan about everything. Their analysis of the football is primary school level at best and it's all rather tiresome. They are almost always conspicuous by their absence when we win a game or two. It's bad enough when posters of that ilk are actually Town fans but when they support another Championship side and they're posting like that then it's really beyond boring.

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I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 17:05 - Nov 23 with 680 views

Nutkins_Return

Yep agreed. A better version of what I posted really.

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I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 17:14 - Nov 23 with 659 views

Swansea_Blue

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:49 - Nov 23 by cbower
Conversely, we're 3 points off 18th . That's a pessimistic outlook in the extreme but it's just as true.

It's very congested through the middle of the table. Not all bad news through- us and Wrexham are the only two teams to be unbeaten in the last 5. We 'just' need to find a way to start turning more draws into wins.

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I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 17:37 - Nov 23 with 627 views

LA_Tractor_Boy

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 09:26 - Nov 23 by Churchman

The relegation squad tore itself down. Morsy saw an opportunity and took it, Delap and Hutchinson wanted out to the point where one refused to play. Burns has been injured, nobody is mentioning Burgess because he was poor the other week and Woolfenden can’t get in the team. Cajuste (who I don’t rate) is still with the club, Luongo all but retired, Phillips was a disaster, Tuanzebe wanted Prem football.

I’d like us to have retained Chaplin and Broadhead, if they wanted to stay. Davis, Hirst, Walton, Palmer and Burns are still with us. O’Shea, and Greaves are, but they’re loathed by many so don’t count.

There was far more change than I’d have liked, but some of it was unavoidable. Are we under achieving? Obviously, but since when was sport an exact science? As for the owners, they seem far more patient than the supporters. Many on here want McKenna out ASAP. I don’t. Not because he’s the best manager I’ve ever seen, but because it’s clear what he and the club are trying to do, unlike most clubs, and he’s a good fit.

If we fail this year, it’ll be under achieving by a long way. Everyone knows that, but like KMs promotion team, I suspect it’ll do a lot better next season.

As it goes, KM has already picked up on lack of support by the fans and I think he will go when the right opportunity comes his way, probably before the seasons end. Much of the forum will be overjoyed and be all slapped @rse faced with excitement for a new manager.

I won’t be. BCWYWF

Edit: spot on OP btw.

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Agree that KMc will probably go at the end of this season, if not before.

But if we're not promoted, I'm not sure who would come in for him that is a step up. Certainly can't see a PL club coming in for him at the moment.

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 17:44 - Nov 23 with 608 views

EastLondonBlue

Totally agree with the OP as others do hence the 45 up votes. The amount of vitriol of the back of a draw whilst many around us lost is astonishing. Do people not remember where we were a few years ago? We have a game in hand, close to the top 2 and 2/3 of the season left to go including a transfer window. We need to stick together and be positive - things are going well and heading in the right direction. Chill!!

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jasondozzell

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 17:44 - Nov 23 by EastLondonBlue

Couldn't agree more.

How many of these moaners watched Colin Quaner or Drinan toil fruitlessly up front? If they did they would have had an aneurysm based on their reaction to a home draw in November to an organised side.

We're 6 points off second with a game in hand.

Football is not a video game.

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I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 17:56 - Nov 23 with 588 views

Herbivore

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 16:37 - Nov 23 by HighgateBlue

West Brom and QPR weren't bottom 10 when we beat them though. And the table is so tight that I'm not sure it means all that much. Coventry look good, Wednesday and Norwich look hopeless, most in between there hasn't been all that much to differentiate them.

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Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 17:37 - Nov 23 by LA_Tractor_Boy
Agree that KMc will probably go at the end of this season, if not before. But if we're not promoted, I'm not sure who would come in for him that is a step up. Certainly can't see a PL club coming in for him at the moment.

There’s no way most of this board want McKenna out, Churchman is exaggerating because he doesn’t like reading any critical comments.

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I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 21:10 - Nov 23 with 437 views

SuffolkPunchFC

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 16:37 - Nov 23 by HighgateBlue

”We haven't beaten one side outside of the bottom 10 yet…”

This is just snapshotting a fairly meaningless criteria at this stage in the season. It would have more meaning in 2-3 months. Many of the teams in the bottom 10 right now have been much higher in the table (top 6 or better). So us beating them will have contributed to their drop in the table.

There are much better metrics to judge us by.

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 23:49 - Nov 23 with 382 views

Churchman

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 18:33 - Nov 23 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior
There’s no way most of this board want McKenna out, Churchman is exaggerating because he doesn’t like reading any critical comments.

I said many, not most. There is a difference. McKenna when an interviewer talked about the support of the crowd said something like ‘not all’.

As for you saying what I like reading or otherwise, you don’t know me so you haven’t the faintest idea. But I’ll give you just one clue. People who offer balance in their views are far more interesting than those who only offer their expert negative ‘opinion’ and dampen the bedsheets when we fail to win a game or even don’t win well enough for them.

Oh, and lastly I notice you used the phrase today towards another poster ‘You are not very bright are you’. I don’t suppose you’ve met him so what does that say about the kind of person you are?

Actually, I neither care or wish to know.

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I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 01:26 - Nov 24 with 337 views

Ryorry

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 09:12 - Nov 23 by bluefunk
Imagine how different the reaction would have been had we taken just one of the several spchances we had. We certainly weren’t great but still created enough to win the game, as Leif said post match, we just need to be more clinical.

Spot on. Or maybe had we been awarded the penalty which according to the commentators on the ITV highlights show I’ve just seen, we should have been in the last few minutes, re which I’ve seen no mention of at all on this forum.

Should we have been given it, does anyone think?

Final outcomes so often turn on a sixpence or a few seconds on the teetering fulcrum of a see-saw - see also wickedly deflected goals off a player’s backside or other unconscious part of their anatomy, both for and against.

t’s the long term that will tell, and we have overall been improving from the early part of the season. Our defending, which had been an issue, seems to have tightened up. Our designated attackers seem to have lost confidence with their lack of form - but it can happen that they stick one in and the floodgates open. Fingers crossed!

And/or we’ve recent history of the January transfer market reviving our fortunes.


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I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 08:03 - Nov 24 with 266 views

Churchman

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 01:26 - Nov 24 by Ryorry

I didn’t think it a penalty at the time, but I’ve not watched it back.

Your third paragraph is interesting. You are right. Games do fall on small incidents. Two years ago it felt every deflection went our way. Not this season. Every time there was a loose ball, it fell to one of their players - that’s how it felt at the time, even if it’s wrong.

The team is improving, especially the right side where Furlong and Egeli are forming a partnership and offer a threat. It’s not improved as much or as quickly as I’d like but it is what it is. Human beings not FM25. Defensively yes, we look tighter too though that’ll be tested over the next month.

A constant moan amongst the dismals is lack of pace. Half a dozen players with the pace of Usain Bolt would have made no difference whatsoever on Saturday because Wrexham camped in and on the edge of their box most of the game. So how do you break it?

Personally, beyond what we tried to do, I don’t know. When the team was announced, my seat neighbour and I were surprised Nunez and Hirst didn’t start. They offer a lot more than the two that did, not least quicker, more positive play form Nunez.

The other thought was would a battering ram style player with a bit of guile like a Kieffer Moore have helped? Maybe because their central lads had it far too easy.

If Burns has anything left after his horrendous injuries, would he on the right and Egeli more central work? I guess a lot of this depends on squad numbers, who stays and who goes, but I’d also like to see Chaplin back, if he wants to be here. He brings people into the game and as an edge of the box type player, he knows where the goal is.

Who he plays instead of I have no idea. Too many players is a bad thing as were seen too often in the past.

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 09:15 - Nov 24 with 223 views

tractorboy1978

I think we are well placed but ultimately we need to put our foot on the gas very soon and differentiate ourselves from the the other teams between 2nd and 18th. It's a barmy division really, you look upwards and we are 3 points off 3rd with a game in hand but you look downwards and we are also 3 points off 17th. Blackburn in 18th would be only 2 points behind us if the result from Ewood Park had stood!

I don't think it is going to take the sort of points total required in the last couple of seasons to get 2nd but ultimately you have to be aiming for 90 points at least. That is going to require 2.13 points per game from here and us being able to put teams away more consistently than we have been.

A lot of of our issues derive from not having a player in the 10 that really works for me. Nobody can convince me we wouldn't be a better unit with Chaplin in there. And I can't wait for Burns to be back fit either. McAteer has been a total car crash signing.

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Dubtractor

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 09:15 - Nov 24 by tractorboy1978

Re your third paragraph...

We win that game comfortably with a vaguely effective number 10 on the pitch by Dubtractor 22 Nov 18:16
Akpom had an absolute stinker today, poor touch, running/turning into traffic repeatedly, making the wrong decision on shooting or passing, just a really poor game.

Nunez came on and looked busy, but ultimately achieved nothing.

That position is so important in linking our play together in the final third, but if it's not working then we're really easily blunted.

We are going to see many more games like that at PR this season, where teams don't even try and attack, so we need to solve the number 10 or we are going to be frustrated a few more times too.

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dirtyboy

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:11 - Nov 23 by Kieran_Knows

I find Portman Road itself unbearable at the moment. Every minor mishap is greeted with the players either being ‘fcuking useless’ or, ‘no b0ll0x’ or just about any expletive going. The ‘get it forward’ brigade, who are either thick, or just haven’t watched us for 4 years and know that’s just not the way we play - and which has also bought us so much success.

Away games are far better and enjoyable at the moment.

I'll be honest, I think i've gotten a bit caught up in that and i'm disappointed in myself.

We're creating plenty of chances which would suggest we should know to be patient, but the play does, quite often, be at odds with Kieran's "the footballe he'd like to see" as it's very slow.

I don't mean just running, it's the decision making passes, the whole thing needs to be a 1/2 a second quicker. Given we operate on patterns of play, I think that's something we're not doing.

I was disappointed Saturday, but on reflection, we didn't do a lot wrong, just the moments aren't being finished.

Is that because the chances are too difficult or a lack of quality/confidence?

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Ryorry

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:47 - Nov 24 by dirtyboy

Mainly confidence.


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jasondozzell

I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:11 - Nov 23 by Kieran_Knows

Completely agree. It's become more and more ridiculous, almost pantomime, the way fans are eager to jump on any mistake.

I couldn't believe the response to Walton on Sat. Has you say, have none of these people watched us in the previous seasons?! Do they not know that KM plays out from the back with specific patterns etc that means we have to set and also that waiting on the ball is a big part of setting those plays. Do they seriously think KM would be allowing Walton to pause unless it was his instruction?!

It's the same stick Woolfy used to get with waiting to bait the press.

I am preferring away games at the moment too for the same reasons.

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BseaBlue

You are bang on the money but it seems as though in life these days, there is no middle ground anymore. It is either one way or another which is a shame as it takes away the balance of an argument.

I have some genuine concerns and games like Saturday are the cause really. The 10 issue needs to be solved but January isn't a million miles away and our form has been excellent. I feel like we really lack ball carriers to open up the low blocks, in the way that Omari did for us.

I was told there was a smattering of boos at the final whistle on Saturday which is outrageous really. If we win our game in hand we are right in the mix for the automatic spot so some need to give their head a wobble.

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