| 11 points from 15 08:34 - Nov 24 with 5570 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Averaging 2.2 points a game over the last 5. Promotion form.
You wouldn't think it though. |  |
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| 11 points from 15 on 08:36 - Nov 24 with 3166 views | Dubtractor |
Indeed.
Which is why I made that post yesterday. Just seemed like a major overreaction on Saturday, frustrating as that game was. |  |
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| 11 points from 15 on 08:39 - Nov 24 with 3142 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| 11 points from 15 on 08:36 - Nov 24 by Dubtractor |
Indeed.
Which is why I made that post yesterday. Just seemed like a major overreaction on Saturday, frustrating as that game was. |
It was a terrible game, in terrible weather.
I was knackered and was finding it difficult to stop my eyes from dipping.
I'm not sure Wrexham's style of play this season is going to appeal to Disney+ | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 08:40 - Nov 24 with 3137 views | homer_123 |
| 11 points from 15 on 08:36 - Nov 24 by Dubtractor |
Indeed.
Which is why I made that post yesterday. Just seemed like a major overreaction on Saturday, frustrating as that game was. |
I think reviewing and assessing a match or a series of matches is very much what fans are about. I also think it's healthy to vent (and this is as good a place as any).
Like you though, I see pretty much extreme views, either uber negative or over positive - like a lot of things at the moment - very little in the way of critical, objective thinking.
In short, we've had a somewhat frustrating start to the season and in certain games been far from our best, and have dropped points. But ultimately, we are 8th, with a game in hand and recent form is actually decent.
We're in this for the long game. |  |
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| 11 points from 15 on 08:45 - Nov 24 with 3099 views | Herbivore |
Go back a bit further to the end of the transfer window and since then it's 21 points from 11 games, which is basically automatic promotion form and has us second in the table over that time with a game in hand.
We've been far from perfect and there's a sense it's not clicking yet but despite that we are dominating most games and we are picking up points at a reasonable rate. The absolute state of some of the posts on here since Saturday afternoon, a neutral reading the forum would think we're winless in 5 rather than unbeaten. |  |
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| 11 points from 15 on 08:47 - Nov 24 with 3093 views | SitfcB |
| 11 points from 15 on 08:36 - Nov 24 by Dubtractor |
Indeed.
Which is why I made that post yesterday. Just seemed like a major overreaction on Saturday, frustrating as that game was. |
It’s always the same for some reason, a lot of people really do just expect us to turn up and win 4/5-0 every game, it’s never going to happen.
Not sure when a lot of our fans became so entitled, is it because of the bigger crowds now, they just expect wins and won’t be happy at anything else, there were some boo’s at FT on Saturday, pathetic. |  |
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| 11 points from 15 on 08:47 - Nov 24 with 3086 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| 11 points from 15 on 08:40 - Nov 24 by homer_123 |
I think reviewing and assessing a match or a series of matches is very much what fans are about. I also think it's healthy to vent (and this is as good a place as any).
Like you though, I see pretty much extreme views, either uber negative or over positive - like a lot of things at the moment - very little in the way of critical, objective thinking.
In short, we've had a somewhat frustrating start to the season and in certain games been far from our best, and have dropped points. But ultimately, we are 8th, with a game in hand and recent form is actually decent.
We're in this for the long game. |
I'm glad our next few are away games where fans are generally speaking more supportive. If we'd been playing Hull at home tomorrow night I would fear for the result as our fans seem to be turning on the very slightest bit of adversary.
The noise when Walton stood on the ball a couple of times in the second half was ridiculous. Wrexham were in a high press, transitioning into a low block, but half of our fans wanted him to hoof it, which only results in handing back possession 80% of the time.
People really don't understand how much anxiety in the stands can effect player performance. | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 08:53 - Nov 24 with 3042 views | Bobbychase |
Two away wins in a row scoring four. I think the trouble sometimes is that for a lot of fans who don't bother with away games, if it doesn't happen at Portman Road it isn't real somehow.
Cov look decent (although were 2-0 down to a poor West Brom side on Saturday and only got on top once Baggies were down to 10) but everyone else looks mediocre. We created plenty of chances to win the game on Saturday, it was just one of those days. |  |
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| 11 points from 15 on 09:10 - Nov 24 with 2915 views | Swansea_Blue |
Clegg OUT!!!
Boooooooooo |  |
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| 11 points from 15 on 09:22 - Nov 24 with 2855 views | SomethingBlue |
| 11 points from 15 on 08:47 - Nov 24 by SitfcB |
It’s always the same for some reason, a lot of people really do just expect us to turn up and win 4/5-0 every game, it’s never going to happen.
Not sure when a lot of our fans became so entitled, is it because of the bigger crowds now, they just expect wins and won’t be happy at anything else, there were some boo’s at FT on Saturday, pathetic. |
Think it's partly a wider trend of people demanding instant gratification in absolutely everything too. |  |
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| 11 points from 15 on 09:25 - Nov 24 with 2836 views | portmanking |
| 11 points from 15 on 09:22 - Nov 24 by SomethingBlue |
Think it's partly a wider trend of people demanding instant gratification in absolutely everything too. |
I think it's partly that, but we did also start the season in attacking fashion during home games. The last 4-6 weeks at home has been much more laboured. It's not easy when teams shove nine men behind the ball, but it reinforces the need to come out of the traps flying. | | | |
| 11 points from 15 on 09:32 - Nov 24 with 2760 views | Garv |
| 11 points from 15 on 08:47 - Nov 24 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I'm glad our next few are away games where fans are generally speaking more supportive. If we'd been playing Hull at home tomorrow night I would fear for the result as our fans seem to be turning on the very slightest bit of adversary.
The noise when Walton stood on the ball a couple of times in the second half was ridiculous. Wrexham were in a high press, transitioning into a low block, but half of our fans wanted him to hoof it, which only results in handing back possession 80% of the time.
People really don't understand how much anxiety in the stands can effect player performance. |
I said this at the time. When we're playing patiently the fans want more urgency and to move the ball quicker. When we're rushing things and giving them possession, we want patience. It's natural, I don't think it was outright criticism or frustration from the stands on Saturday, some of it was genuine encouragement because everyone could see we were all over them but we just weren't able to penetrate when we got high up the pitch.
We started like a train and were moving the ball quickly. It gradually slowed down which was frustrating. |  |
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| 11 points from 15 on 09:32 - Nov 24 with 2761 views | SomethingBlue |
| 11 points from 15 on 09:25 - Nov 24 by portmanking |
I think it's partly that, but we did also start the season in attacking fashion during home games. The last 4-6 weeks at home has been much more laboured. It's not easy when teams shove nine men behind the ball, but it reinforces the need to come out of the traps flying. |
Fair point. I actually thought the first 10 minutes on Saturday were pretty decent though – we did come out quickly, got in a few good situations, but then found ourselves completely bogged down between about 11 and 40 min. It does show the importance of an early goal. [Post edited 24 Nov 9:32]
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| 11 points from 15 on 09:33 - Nov 24 with 2736 views | Bluefields |
Yep, win game in hand a go third. Still loads of games to play and points to play for. Automatic promotion should still be the goal. | | | |
| 11 points from 15 on 09:43 - Nov 24 with 2649 views | SheffordBlue |
I think many (maybe including myself a bit) thought the season would be a bit like the graph on the left, whereas as it's more like the one on the right.
The fact that the PPG is so healthy despite us probably only hitting 65-70% of our full potential is encouraging.
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| 11 points from 15 on 09:53 - Nov 24 with 2558 views | JammyDodgerrr |
To think we are 3 points off third, with a game in hand, given how the team haven't clicked and a vocal minority feel about how we're playing, is crazy. There's rarely been a game we haven't completely controlled, even the ones we lost(Charlton especially!) we basically ran the game. Football just be like that sometimes.
I don't know when we got such an entitled fanbase, but it's pretty disappointing to see. If anyone thought that a Phil Parkinson Wrexham team, who have just had three promotions on the spin, on a cold, wet and windy day were just going to roll over for us, or we were just going to turn them over, is kidding themselves.
It's always disappointing to not win, but we are consistently picking up points and a very good rate, and we're already seeing the other teams slow. It would not surprise me at all to see us right behind Coventry after this next period. |  |
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| 11 points from 15 on 09:57 - Nov 24 with 2540 views | ringwoodblue |
I’m sure there are also fans on here who think, ‘Coventry can do it so why can’t we?’
I think the fact that we are ahead of Leicester and Southampton is a better comparison although if they both keep their winning streaks going , they could overtake us soon. |  |
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| 11 points from 15 on 10:07 - Nov 24 with 2463 views | MrPotatoHead |
I think its fair to be disappointed when we draw at home to a depleted Wrexham (no disrespect to them) and fail to create much. In isolation it was a disappointing performance and result.
That doesn't mean its all a disaster though. I don't feel like we've got out of 3rd gear yet and as you say we're still accumulating points. We're a game in hand win away from 3rd, which feels a bit ridiculous as its all felt a bit average so far, but that's obviously good news and encouraging for us. We're very capable of going through the gears, I look at most of the other sides and Coventry and perhaps Southampton aside I don't see a team likely to post a 90+ point season. Its there for the taking, we're capable of taking it, lets just hope we do.
People need to just enjoy the season and not look too far ahead though, we're going in to every game knowing we have a good chance of winning, we've got 10 games in the next 5 weeks, we've got no VAR. This is what we all missed last season. |  | | |
| 11 points from 15 on 10:16 - Nov 24 with 2392 views | tractorboy1978 |
| 11 points from 15 on 09:53 - Nov 24 by JammyDodgerrr |
To think we are 3 points off third, with a game in hand, given how the team haven't clicked and a vocal minority feel about how we're playing, is crazy. There's rarely been a game we haven't completely controlled, even the ones we lost(Charlton especially!) we basically ran the game. Football just be like that sometimes.
I don't know when we got such an entitled fanbase, but it's pretty disappointing to see. If anyone thought that a Phil Parkinson Wrexham team, who have just had three promotions on the spin, on a cold, wet and windy day were just going to roll over for us, or we were just going to turn them over, is kidding themselves.
It's always disappointing to not win, but we are consistently picking up points and a very good rate, and we're already seeing the other teams slow. It would not surprise me at all to see us right behind Coventry after this next period. |
It's the sort of game we would have won 3-1 in 2023/24. Would have probably been more open but we would have cranked up the pressure second half, peppered the goal and totally over powered them in the end.
'Laboured' has been used further up the thread. I think that is spot on. Everything looks an effort at the moment. We just don't have the patterns of play we had in 23/24 and we are relying on moments to score goals and win us games. | | | |
| 11 points from 15 on 10:27 - Nov 24 with 2349 views | hammo56 |
I keep hearing that we are still in 3rd gear and only playing to 65-70% of our potential but how do we know that is the case? It could be that this is our full potential and like many sides in the Championship our results will continue to vary week to week. | | | |
| 11 points from 15 on 10:28 - Nov 24 with 2339 views | homer_123 |
| 11 points from 15 on 10:27 - Nov 24 by hammo56 |
I keep hearing that we are still in 3rd gear and only playing to 65-70% of our potential but how do we know that is the case? It could be that this is our full potential and like many sides in the Championship our results will continue to vary week to week. |
Well, the good news is that if this is case, our form is still 'promotion' form in terms of points per game. | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 10:30 - Nov 24 with 2309 views | pointofblue |
| 11 points from 15 on 10:16 - Nov 24 by tractorboy1978 |
It's the sort of game we would have won 3-1 in 2023/24. Would have probably been more open but we would have cranked up the pressure second half, peppered the goal and totally over powered them in the end.
'Laboured' has been used further up the thread. I think that is spot on. Everything looks an effort at the moment. We just don't have the patterns of play we had in 23/24 and we are relying on moments to score goals and win us games. |
I think this is it. Even in our good wins I don't think we've looked like a team, a unit, for the most part. We're relying on a better quality of player to see us through. The 23/34 team was greater than the sum of it's parts. This team is currently lesser. The fact we are where we are in the table says more about the standard of the division this season than our relative success. | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 10:32 - Nov 24 with 2307 views | davblue |
| 11 points from 15 on 10:28 - Nov 24 by homer_123 |
Well, the good news is that if this is case, our form is still 'promotion' form in terms of points per game. |
We aren't though are we over the season.
Not trying to be negative but since the start of the season, we are in 8th place, so not ‘promotion form’. Think we are slowly getting better but I’m yet to be convinced it will be enough to get us a top 2 place. |  | | |
| 11 points from 15 (n/t) on 10:35 - Nov 24 with 2276 views | hammo56 |
| 11 points from 15 on 10:32 - Nov 24 by davblue |
We aren't though are we over the season.
Not trying to be negative but since the start of the season, we are in 8th place, so not ‘promotion form’. Think we are slowly getting better but I’m yet to be convinced it will be enough to get us a top 2 place. |
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| 11 points from 15 (n/t) on 10:40 - Nov 24 with 2245 views | hammo56 |
| 11 points from 15 (n/t) on 10:35 - Nov 24 by hammo56 |
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Exactly. Over 15 games we are averaging 1.6 points per game. Certainly wouldn’t be enough for automatic promotion and if it continues for the rest of the season we would end up with around 73 points. Yes you can say that 11 points from 15 is automatic form but if we go and lose the next 3 away games will the same people say we are showing relegation form? | | | |
| 11 points from 15 on 10:45 - Nov 24 with 2213 views | Guthrum |
| 11 points from 15 on 10:32 - Nov 24 by davblue |
We aren't though are we over the season.
Not trying to be negative but since the start of the season, we are in 8th place, so not ‘promotion form’. Think we are slowly getting better but I’m yet to be convinced it will be enough to get us a top 2 place. |
That 8th place does not take into account that everyone else (apart from Blackburn) have played one match more then ourselves. Depending upon the result of that game in hand, our "real" League position is 6th or even 3rd, i.e. in the play-offs, as well as 8th.
Also, our points per game after 4 matches was 0.75, after 8 it was 1.25, after 12 it was 1.33 and after 15 it is 1.6*, a steady upward trend. A faltering start to the season becomes irrelevant if there is sufficient improvement thereafter.
* Corrected. I misread a table which showed Saturday as game 16, not our 16th game. [Post edited 24 Nov 10:48]
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