| Jaden Philogene 10:28 - Dec 21 with 3123 views | Churchman |
I know plenty didn’t want him here and even just a few weeks ago some wanted him out of the door. ‘Cut our losses’ was one dismal expert’s take on him. Watching him yesterday - what a terrific, exciting player he is.
At times he’s totally unplayable. Give him any space at all and he’ll tear you a new one. He was very unlucky not to score that over the head attempt to add to his personal goal of the season competition.
I’ve no idea what his transfer fee was, but if we don’t go up there will be plenty of Premier League clubs wanting his services.
Jack Clarke isn’t too shabby a player either. [Post edited 21 Dec 10:29]
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| Jaden Philogene on 13:38 - Dec 21 with 717 views | tractorboy1978 |
I don’t think I’ve seen a Town player that can strike the ball so cleanly with both feet. As soon as he has a defender isolated and squared up in that left channel, they are toast. What we need now is for him to show the sort of consistency Omari did at the back end of 23/24 and prove himself as the best player in the league. |  | | |
| Jaden Philogene on 14:08 - Dec 21 with 680 views | NthQldITFC |
| Jaden Philogene on 12:52 - Dec 21 by Scuzzer |
No way...unless you're about 15 years old. The two Dutch men had the ball attached to their boots by an elastic band. Colin Viljoen, superb ball retention and passing. Gio...fantastic. Even Pablo was better than Jaden. |
Pablo was better than everybody. |  |
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| Jaden Philogene on 14:11 - Dec 21 with 676 views | PhilTWTD |
| Jaden Philogene on 13:38 - Dec 21 by tractorboy1978 |
I don’t think I’ve seen a Town player that can strike the ball so cleanly with both feet. As soon as he has a defender isolated and squared up in that left channel, they are toast. What we need now is for him to show the sort of consistency Omari did at the back end of 23/24 and prove himself as the best player in the league. |
Darren Currie on the striking the ball as well with both feet? |  | | |
| Jaden Philogene on 15:37 - Dec 21 with 616 views | Garv |
I've been pretty vocal in saying I'm not a huge fan almost all ever since he played his first few games, and there's no point pretending otherwise and the reasons for it. I thought was genuinely terrible last season and offered next to nothing. He would take too many touches, run down blind alleys, and misplace 5 yards passes. In his defence he was often played on the wrong side.
His desire to go to ground so easily really does my head in as well. By all accounts it's the same reason Azor gave him a rocket and they had a falling out. He did it yesterday looking for a penalty he was never going to get. And it usually comes after he's tried a Neymar inspired piece of skill that hasn't come off, and he's been eased off the ball.
I also wish he and Clarke would go on the outside more often. Same for Walle Egeli actually, so often all three of them have acres of grass in front of them, but they refuse to use it. With Philogene being comfortably the most athletic and quick of those three, it's frustrates that he would rather slow the game down and trick his way past his man instead.
Having said all that, you can't argue with his goal output, let alone the quality of them. The hat trick left me a speechless at the time, his third in that game was outstanding and when he hits them like that it looks effortless. A bit like yesterday's goal actually, the power in both feet is impressive. |  |
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| Jaden Philogene on 15:54 - Dec 21 with 594 views | Vic |
| Jaden Philogene on 14:11 - Dec 21 by PhilTWTD |
Darren Currie on the striking the ball as well with both feet? |
Mick mills wasn’t too shabby with both feet if I remember. (Though much stronger on his right)
What other genuine 2 footers have we had? |  |
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| Jaden Philogene on 19:23 - Dec 21 with 527 views | Nutkins_Return |
Philogene and Clarke are both good players but I do think Philogene is a level above.
They are players who take risks and will frustrate at times because they aren't afraid to take their money on or take the difficult pass etc.
Clarke can be very sloppy and his control and manipulation isn't at the same level of Philogene. He's a bit of a maverick and can't think of any other players like him. He's very dangerous. I really do think you can only have one of them on the pitch at the same time unless really chasing a goal. | |
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| Jaden Philogene on 19:29 - Dec 21 with 516 views | AVJones |
| Jaden Philogene on 15:54 - Dec 21 by Vic |
Mick mills wasn’t too shabby with both feet if I remember. (Though much stronger on his right)
What other genuine 2 footers have we had? |
Russell Osman.
Utterly at ease on either side. Would have been peerless in modern football. | | | |
| Jaden Philogene on 20:05 - Dec 21 with 463 views | noggin |
Far too good for us. |  |
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| Jaden Philogene on 20:12 - Dec 21 with 454 views | PhilTWTD |
| Jaden Philogene on 19:29 - Dec 21 by AVJones |
Russell Osman.
Utterly at ease on either side. Would have been peerless in modern football. |
Kieron Dyer said very much that having played in charity games with Russell, felt he'd be a Pep target if he was playing today. | | | |
| Jaden Philogene on 21:00 - Dec 21 with 390 views | BlueMoon |
The overhead kick (apart from hitting the post) was a technical class act. Not seen mention of his rabona cross early on either. He’s a player that not only has the skill to do these things but the panache to try them. When they come off it’s special - much like the goal he scored for Hull a few years ago. | | | |
| Jaden Philogene on 22:27 - Dec 21 with 325 views | Vaughan8 |
I cannot believe anyone has said "cut our losses". He's probably our best (attacking) player and can get a goal out of nothing which we've relied upon this season.
Does he have his faults? Yes. Is he sometimes anonymous in games? Yes. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be playing for us. He would start every game for me. | | | |
| Jaden Philogene on 22:48 - Dec 21 with 303 views | itfcsuth |
| Jaden Philogene on 10:48 - Dec 21 by Smoresy |
Yes the dismal being quoted is itfcsuth, who wants to see a trio of Wes - Chappers - Szmodics instead. |
Yes I’d still move him and Clarke on. Talented boys, not the right fit for us long term. Flashy footballers, produce moments, but not enough consistency to be top level footballers.
It doesn’t impress me too much being a near £20m signing in the PL, but have to drop a league to look better, and theres been enough games even at this level they’ve been poor or completely anonymous. I’m not going to get carried away with any performance against bottom of the league I’m afraid.
If we could get decent money on any of them I’d snap your hand off because they are miles off the PL. |  | | |
| Jaden Philogene on 23:09 - Dec 21 with 280 views | Churchman |
| Jaden Philogene on 22:48 - Dec 21 by itfcsuth |
Yes I’d still move him and Clarke on. Talented boys, not the right fit for us long term. Flashy footballers, produce moments, but not enough consistency to be top level footballers.
It doesn’t impress me too much being a near £20m signing in the PL, but have to drop a league to look better, and theres been enough games even at this level they’ve been poor or completely anonymous. I’m not going to get carried away with any performance against bottom of the league I’m afraid.
If we could get decent money on any of them I’d snap your hand off because they are miles off the PL. |
Out of curiosity, what did we pay for them? You clearly know the amounts while I’ve only read internet guesses.
What would you define as ‘decent money’ for them? Lastly, who would you realistically sign to replace them and their 15 goals to date from out wide?
As a matter of interest, do you actually attend games? | | | |
| Jaden Philogene on 23:10 - Dec 21 with 279 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
It's been really nice to see Philogene's overall game develop this season, some clear parallels with Hutchinson. I think he's a level or two above Jack Clarke to be honest, would love to be proved wrong and he's gone up in my estimations this season but Clarke's game still looks too one-dimensional. | | | |
| Jaden Philogene on 07:19 - Dec 22 with 197 views | Churchman |
| Jaden Philogene on 23:10 - Dec 21 by SWLondonBlue93 |
It's been really nice to see Philogene's overall game develop this season, some clear parallels with Hutchinson. I think he's a level or two above Jack Clarke to be honest, would love to be proved wrong and he's gone up in my estimations this season but Clarke's game still looks too one-dimensional. |
I honestly don’t think there’s too much between them. Both good players, but if I was picking the team, JP would be my first choice.
Potentially, despite a poor game on Saturday, Egeli’s ceiling is higher than both of them in my view. | | | |
| Jaden Philogene on 08:15 - Dec 22 with 161 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Jaden Philogene on 12:52 - Dec 21 by Scuzzer |
No way...unless you're about 15 years old. The two Dutch men had the ball attached to their boots by an elastic band. Colin Viljoen, superb ball retention and passing. Gio...fantastic. Even Pablo was better than Jaden. |
Cor. Imagine Gio as the 10 in this side. *drools* |  |
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| Jaden Philogene on 09:18 - Dec 22 with 118 views | itfcsuth |
| Jaden Philogene on 23:09 - Dec 21 by Churchman |
Out of curiosity, what did we pay for them? You clearly know the amounts while I’ve only read internet guesses.
What would you define as ‘decent money’ for them? Lastly, who would you realistically sign to replace them and their 15 goals to date from out wide?
As a matter of interest, do you actually attend games? |
Jaden we signed for £20m fee, with £3m add on. Clarke was £15m fee with £3m add ons. I don’t know what a good return would be, anything around £10m I guess.
Morgan Whittaker has the same goals, he cost £5m,
Sorba Thomas the one I’d have really liked. 8 goals, under £2m, pound for pound a much better deal, would have been a great buy.
Yes, I do attend games. | | | |
| Jaden Philogene on 09:24 - Dec 22 with 101 views | Garv |
| Jaden Philogene on 21:00 - Dec 21 by BlueMoon |
The overhead kick (apart from hitting the post) was a technical class act. Not seen mention of his rabona cross early on either. He’s a player that not only has the skill to do these things but the panache to try them. When they come off it’s special - much like the goal he scored for Hull a few years ago. |
I assume the rabona hasn't been mentioned because it didn't achieve anything and if anything, he might as well have used his left foot to cross. | |
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| Jaden Philogene on 09:28 - Dec 22 with 94 views | StokieBlue |
| Jaden Philogene on 09:18 - Dec 22 by itfcsuth |
Jaden we signed for £20m fee, with £3m add on. Clarke was £15m fee with £3m add ons. I don’t know what a good return would be, anything around £10m I guess.
Morgan Whittaker has the same goals, he cost £5m,
Sorba Thomas the one I’d have really liked. 8 goals, under £2m, pound for pound a much better deal, would have been a great buy.
Yes, I do attend games. |
To add some extra context:
Thomas - 26 years old, very patchy record historically and 3 of his goals this season have been crosses that have gone in which totally skews his numbers as that's not sustainable. In my opinion not PL level.
Whittaker - 24 years old, all those goals have been scored in a hot patch he is currently on, before that he hadn't scored for Boro since he joined them about a season before I believe. You've also missed off the 2.5m+ add-ons putting the deal at nearer 8m.
Philogene - 23 years old, current England U21 international, same amount of goals and in my view a larger possible future value and PL potential. Given his goals are spread across the season also likely less patchy than Whittaker.
I think it's too early to definitely say there was better value elsewhere.
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| Jaden Philogene on 09:41 - Dec 22 with 70 views | _CliveBaker_ |
He's a joy. I've always been a big fan, I saw quite a bit of him in his Cardiff loan spell years ago and he was electric, superb for Hull as well and I was desperate for us to get him in the summer when he went back to Villa. He's so good on both feet which makes him horrible to defend against. |  | | |
| Jaden Philogene on 09:42 - Dec 22 with 69 views | itfcsuth |
| Jaden Philogene on 09:28 - Dec 22 by StokieBlue |
To add some extra context:
Thomas - 26 years old, very patchy record historically and 3 of his goals this season have been crosses that have gone in which totally skews his numbers as that's not sustainable. In my opinion not PL level.
Whittaker - 24 years old, all those goals have been scored in a hot patch he is currently on, before that he hadn't scored for Boro since he joined them about a season before I believe. You've also missed off the 2.5m+ add-ons putting the deal at nearer 8m.
Philogene - 23 years old, current England U21 international, same amount of goals and in my view a larger possible future value and PL potential. Given his goals are spread across the season also likely less patchy than Whittaker.
I think it's too early to definitely say there was better value elsewhere.
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Jaden is 24 in just over a month, I’m not sure he can be described as current England u21 international.
They’re all patchy, they’re all not good enough for the PL, but in the face of us being in the Championship, I think it’s pretty easy to say a player who cost £2m is better value for money than a player who cost £23m (if we are auto including add ins as you wish). | | | |
| Jaden Philogene on 09:46 - Dec 22 with 65 views | AVJones |
| Jaden Philogene on 07:19 - Dec 22 by Churchman |
I honestly don’t think there’s too much between them. Both good players, but if I was picking the team, JP would be my first choice.
Potentially, despite a poor game on Saturday, Egeli’s ceiling is higher than both of them in my view. |
Help me on your view on Egeli please.
I’ve seen every game this season, and I’m yet to see what his standout quality is, what it is that makes so many believe there is a PL player of the future. And I do like him, he is certainly a good player, nice touch on the ball, good composure. What is it that you see that makes you believe he has such high potential?
As comparisons, Delap quickly showed us his pace and power. And Hutchinson, that he could dribble and beat a man at pace. | | | |
| Jaden Philogene on 09:55 - Dec 22 with 48 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Jaden Philogene on 07:19 - Dec 22 by Churchman |
I honestly don’t think there’s too much between them. Both good players, but if I was picking the team, JP would be my first choice.
Potentially, despite a poor game on Saturday, Egeli’s ceiling is higher than both of them in my view. |
Walle-Egeli's issue is he quite clearly isn't a right winger. Not a bad thing for his development, but there's no way that's his position long term. I'm not sure I buy this talk of him in the 10 either, I've said it since day 1 he looks a number 9 to me. He's big, strong, has some pace, movement looks good, can finish. I wonder if Hirst's injury (if it keeps him out a while) is the chance he needs to start through the middle, with McAteer or perhaps a returning Burns getting some time on the right. | | | |
| Jaden Philogene on 10:00 - Dec 22 with 26 views | cressi |
Agree to a point at the time I said Jesus what have we spent all that Money on.
What I would say he came in at a difficult time where we poor.
What I would also say same goes for a few others including Clarke it's OK as you say to rip it up in the championship but the Premiership is a different kettle of fish and for me we will see. | | | |
| Jaden Philogene on 10:00 - Dec 22 with 25 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Jaden Philogene on 10:59 - Dec 21 by Cheltenham_Blue |
No one is Premier League quality until they get a chance to be.
He's played in the Champions League for Villa, so Emery thought him good enough for that. |
And then sold him in January | |
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