| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham 12:10 - May 13 with 4361 views | IP1Blue |
According to the Boro forum - the two other clubs that have since reported they were spied on was Ipswich and Wrexham.
No idea if any truth in it but they seem to be saying it is us two. If you’re Wrexham, after losing 5-1 you could argue it derailed your season
If all 3, turn out to be upheld, how can Southampton be allowed to go up?
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| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:17 - May 13 with 3064 views | Steve_M |
I think if a side lose 5-1 then it's hard to argue that it comes down to any marginal gains from spying. |  |
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| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:30 - May 13 with 2851 views | tonybied |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:17 - May 13 by Steve_M |
I think if a side lose 5-1 then it's hard to argue that it comes down to any marginal gains from spying. |
It's impossible to gauge what effect it would have on a game, there are too many factors involved. If it is proven, though, it IS an advantage for Southampton, and it's undeniable cheating. The EFL really should make an example of them, to stop this kind of thing from happening again. |  | | |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:34 - May 13 with 2782 views | OldFart71 |
I suppose spying on a club is classed as watching their training, set pieces etc. But scouts, managers etc have been to games to look over the opposition for years.
I really don't get the need for that type of sussing out of your opponents. There are only so many ways you can take corners, free kicks etc and at some stage they will be tried in a match.
With so much coverage of games on tv an opposing manager doesn't even need to leave the comfort of his home. | | | |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:37 - May 13 with 2718 views | bluefunk |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:17 - May 13 by Steve_M |
I think if a side lose 5-1 then it's hard to argue that it comes down to any marginal gains from spying. |
If proven then it’s a rule break, and done more than once, regardless of the outcome. I believe that all options for sanctions are possible, but realistically it seems unlikely that they’ll get thrown out of the play offs (mores the pity) and a fine and points deduction applied. IIRC points deductions would be applied in the PL now, should they go up, which would be good for all concerned in the circumstances- Championship clubs don’t have them in their league, Saints get a meaningful penalty for their sins. I don’t think a transfer embargo likely as this isn’t a financial rule break. |  | | |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:37 - May 13 with 2711 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:30 - May 13 by tonybied |
It's impossible to gauge what effect it would have on a game, there are too many factors involved. If it is proven, though, it IS an advantage for Southampton, and it's undeniable cheating. The EFL really should make an example of them, to stop this kind of thing from happening again. |
Spot on. It is deliberately going against the rules to gain an obvious advantage, apparently multiple times. In any sane ruling they are punished severely. It shouldn't matter if they lost every game they spied on, or won them all 5-1. They were deliberately and I imagine quite methodically, trying to cheat. |  | | |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:40 - May 13 with 2639 views | DarkBrandon |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:34 - May 13 by OldFart71 |
I suppose spying on a club is classed as watching their training, set pieces etc. But scouts, managers etc have been to games to look over the opposition for years.
I really don't get the need for that type of sussing out of your opponents. There are only so many ways you can take corners, free kicks etc and at some stage they will be tried in a match.
With so much coverage of games on tv an opposing manager doesn't even need to leave the comfort of his home. |
The Boro manager was saying he changed the sides shape to a new shape specifically to play Southampton. First time they’d tried it this season.
No way you’d figure that out from watching their previous matches on the telly.
This is pretty bad. I can’t see how Southampton can be allowed to be promoted. But then again if they beat Hull, who goes up in their place? |  | | |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:41 - May 13 with 2619 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Of course they did.
I think its quite quickly going to come out that this has been going on all season. Eckert was asked directly about this and he doesn't want to answer. He is caught red handed and may still get a promotion out of it. Shameless stuff. |  |
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| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:44 - May 13 with 2573 views | J2BLUE |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:41 - May 13 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Of course they did.
I think its quite quickly going to come out that this has been going on all season. Eckert was asked directly about this and he doesn't want to answer. He is caught red handed and may still get a promotion out of it. Shameless stuff. |
When the ball boy refused to give the ball back last night and it kicked off, the commentator said there is a pattern of behaviour. It's an interesting point. Is it Eckert directing it? He does come across as a bit of a bell so it wouldn't surprise me. |  | | |
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| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:46 - May 13 with 2529 views | Steve_M |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:37 - May 13 by bluefunk |
If proven then it’s a rule break, and done more than once, regardless of the outcome. I believe that all options for sanctions are possible, but realistically it seems unlikely that they’ll get thrown out of the play offs (mores the pity) and a fine and points deduction applied. IIRC points deductions would be applied in the PL now, should they go up, which would be good for all concerned in the circumstances- Championship clubs don’t have them in their league, Saints get a meaningful penalty for their sins. I don’t think a transfer embargo likely as this isn’t a financial rule break. |
Yes, I don't disagree on the more substantial point here.
Leeds got fined £200k or something for spying on Derby and that was before there was a proper rule in place so that's both the only benchmark and no longer sufficient given that change to the rules. | |
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| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:46 - May 13 with 2528 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
Well if their spy could tell, when Leif raises his right arm, where the corner is going, I wonder if they would be kind enough to tell our strikers. |  |
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| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:46 - May 13 with 2515 views | WeWereZombies |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:40 - May 13 by DarkBrandon |
The Boro manager was saying he changed the sides shape to a new shape specifically to play Southampton. First time they’d tried it this season.
No way you’d figure that out from watching their previous matches on the telly.
This is pretty bad. I can’t see how Southampton can be allowed to be promoted. But then again if they beat Hull, who goes up in their place? |
Portsmouth, because that would piss Southampton off the most... |  |
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| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:49 - May 13 with 2464 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:44 - May 13 by J2BLUE |
When the ball boy refused to give the ball back last night and it kicked off, the commentator said there is a pattern of behaviour. It's an interesting point. Is it Eckert directing it? He does come across as a bit of a bell so it wouldn't surprise me. |
They need kicking out now. Any further delay and the problem is massively multiplied. Boro go through. | |
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| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:49 - May 13 with 2462 views | pingu67 |
Wonder if they watched our set piece training, may have given them extra ideas they couldn't possibly have known about how we take our corners | | | |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:53 - May 13 with 2348 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:44 - May 13 by J2BLUE |
When the ball boy refused to give the ball back last night and it kicked off, the commentator said there is a pattern of behaviour. It's an interesting point. Is it Eckert directing it? He does come across as a bit of a bell so it wouldn't surprise me. |
I reckon he is, yep.
Something off about that bloke. | |
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| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 13:01 - May 13 with 2195 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:53 - May 13 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I reckon he is, yep.
Something off about that bloke. |
I suspect the finger is being pointed at the wrong person.
Johannes Spors serves as the Global Technical Director in control of football departments, including recruitment and club philosophy. |  |
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| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 13:01 - May 13 with 2190 views | itfc48 |
I wouldn't be surprised if Southampton have a few hefty legal cases heading their way, especially from Boro and Wrexham. | | | |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 13:03 - May 13 with 2139 views | itfc1108 |
I haven't been to playford road before. Would it be quite easy to get in, or watch us train anonymously? | | | |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 13:06 - May 13 with 2028 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:49 - May 13 by pingu67 |
Wonder if they watched our set piece training, may have given them extra ideas they couldn't possibly have known about how we take our corners |
Given our success from corners, every club must have been watching. |  |
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| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 13:07 - May 13 with 2015 views | WeWereZombies |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 13:03 - May 13 by itfc1108 |
I haven't been to playford road before. Would it be quite easy to get in, or watch us train anonymously? |
Well Old Git seemed to do it on a regular basis. | |
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| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 13:08 - May 13 with 1952 views | Meadowlark |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:44 - May 13 by J2BLUE |
When the ball boy refused to give the ball back last night and it kicked off, the commentator said there is a pattern of behaviour. It's an interesting point. Is it Eckert directing it? He does come across as a bit of a bell so it wouldn't surprise me. |
Yeah, he said the ball boy was cheating and " ...there's a theme developing here."
That ball "boy" looked a bit old too, didn't he?
Kick 'em out and demote them to the third division. Cheats. |  | | |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 13:10 - May 13 with 1897 views | SheffordBlue |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 13:03 - May 13 by itfc1108 |
I haven't been to playford road before. Would it be quite easy to get in, or watch us train anonymously? |
Think it would be difficult to directly access Playford Road but Ipswich School Sports Centre adjoins it and a Google Street View drive-by suggests if you got in the right spot there you could probably see the main practice pitch. | |
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| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 13:10 - May 13 with 1894 views | Ftnfwest |
Having seen the majority of the two play off games, Boro if anything shaded it and had so many gilt edged chances in particularly the first game that they could have buried it there and then. No amount of spying makes a professional miss the number of good chances they create. Similarly we undoubtedly should have sewn up promotion at their place as well.
Seems as well that whoever this guy was from southampton, he was just standing on a bit of public ground next to a tiny fence at the training ground and not exactly undercover. Still, whatever punishment they decide who cares? I think if they're kicked out of the play offs then Hull should go up automatically though. |  | | |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 13:10 - May 13 with 1898 views | PhilTWTD |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 13:03 - May 13 by itfc1108 |
I haven't been to playford road before. Would it be quite easy to get in, or watch us train anonymously? |
You can't just wander in, but I think it may be possible to see in from outside depending on which pitch training was taking place. |  | | |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 13:12 - May 13 with 1819 views | Basuco |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 12:46 - May 13 by Steve_M |
Yes, I don't disagree on the more substantial point here.
Leeds got fined £200k or something for spying on Derby and that was before there was a proper rule in place so that's both the only benchmark and no longer sufficient given that change to the rules. |
But Leeds put their hands up, owned up to what they watched and even showed pictures and came clean on everything about it, Saints are fighting the charge, that must go against them. |  | | |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 13:12 - May 13 with 1804 views | SE1blue |
| Saints apparently spied on Ipswich and Wrexham on 13:07 - May 13 by WeWereZombies |
Well Old Git seemed to do it on a regular basis. |
Ashley Young? |  |
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