| TalkSport reporting…. 09:50 - Jun 1 with 6752 views | Bloots |
….that Fulham will make a move for KM once Silva to Benfica is confirmed.
They’ve offered Silva £8m a year to stay but it looks like he’s turned it down, so on the face of it money won’t be an issue for them.
This is probably the only real risk we have of losing him this summer.
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| TalkSport reporting…. on 12:30 - Jun 1 with 1408 views | franz_tyson |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 11:34 - Jun 1 by portmanking |
Is a couple of 10th placed finishes with Fulham really going to move the needle and get him the United job?
Keep us up and get us competing along the similar lines as Brighton, then as a body of work that surely augurs better for an elite job. |
Silva got a move to Benfica. That's a move upwards.
Carrick got the Man U job after being fired by Boro.
Think it's a stable club and not a bad place to get yourself noticed for a bigger job. Kieran doesn't have to an amazing job there.... just steady and keep it ticking over. He could do a better job with us ... and still get relegated. |  | | |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 12:33 - Jun 1 with 1393 views | nrb1985 |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 12:26 - Jun 1 by portmanking |
Sorry? You don't think we can replicate them over the next 3-4 years if we maintain our current trajectory/investment? |
I’d flip that back to you and ask where’s your proof of concept that a team whose spent 1 in last 25 seasons in pl and have achieved that?
Ifs buts and maybes. Fulham job is real and potentially in hand now. | | | |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 12:55 - Jun 1 with 1293 views | OldFart71 |
I feel the biggest problem for us is recruitment and I link this to the KM situation in that it will take a really excellent set of wheeling and dealing to put us where we need to be to stay in the Premier League and consolidate.
Teams like Fulham, Palace,Bournemouth and Brighton only need to add one or two players to improve or keep themselves in the league and they probably have assets that bigger clubs would pay big money for, whereas we have no established players that would command huge fees and we would only have a similar war chest to the last time we were in the Prem of around £120 million. | | | |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 12:57 - Jun 1 with 1282 views | Plums |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 10:18 - Jun 1 by ringwoodblue |
If McK decides to take up their offer, then good luck to him. I wouldn’t be adverse to a new manager (like Thomas Frank) with a new playing style and fresh ideas but it would need to be a swift appointment so they can heavily influence the recruitment over the summer.
Whatever will be, will be. [Post edited 1 Jun 10:33]
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I'm very wary about Frank. The success of Brentford is built on the infrastructure and footballing DNA of the club, the manager is charged with implementing that.
Frank did a great job of it and Andrews has now picked up the baton. There's nothing from Frank's tenure at Spurs that says anything other than he struggled in the PL without that in place.
If we lose KM, we're in for root and branch change which is high risk and potentially, high reward.
Whatever will be, will be. But I'm not convinced the answer is Frank. |  |
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| TalkSport reporting…. on 13:01 - Jun 1 with 1243 views | hype313 |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 12:57 - Jun 1 by Plums |
I'm very wary about Frank. The success of Brentford is built on the infrastructure and footballing DNA of the club, the manager is charged with implementing that.
Frank did a great job of it and Andrews has now picked up the baton. There's nothing from Frank's tenure at Spurs that says anything other than he struggled in the PL without that in place.
If we lose KM, we're in for root and branch change which is high risk and potentially, high reward.
Whatever will be, will be. But I'm not convinced the answer is Frank. |
Can't really use Spurs as a yardstick, they've Burnt through Pochettino, Mourniho, Conte, Ange, Frank and Nuno.
I'd argue 90% of those are successful managers, the issue Spurs have/Had is their reluctance to spend big on wages meaning they lose out on key players they were after. |  |
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| TalkSport reporting…. on 13:06 - Jun 1 with 1202 views | ThatMuhrenCross |
He turned down Chelsea two years ago. He's not going to Fulham.
I accept that he will eventually leave us, but I genuinely don't think Fulham represents a big enough step up to satisfy his personal ambition. It would also be one hell of a risk for him. |  |
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| TalkSport reporting…. on 13:07 - Jun 1 with 1202 views | football |
So much in this thread about him having relegation on his CV. Nothing quite like wanting the team to do well. What is there to say we can't do a Leeds or Sunderland with the right recruitment? We know what we did wrong last time and went up too quick - with a team assembled for Championship
I for one re-iterate that Kieran is committed to this project and will want to see what he can do. Just like Farke (god I hate saying that name!). People really should have more faith in the manager and team
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| TalkSport reporting…. on 14:33 - Jun 1 with 982 views | jaykay |
when he turned down brighton was the reason he got a large pay rise ? if it was surely one of the provisos would have been with this x million rise you must commit to staying for x number of years |  |
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| TalkSport reporting…. on 15:01 - Jun 1 with 918 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 13:06 - Jun 1 by ThatMuhrenCross |
He turned down Chelsea two years ago. He's not going to Fulham.
I accept that he will eventually leave us, but I genuinely don't think Fulham represents a big enough step up to satisfy his personal ambition. It would also be one hell of a risk for him. |
Are Fulham odds on to get relegated then?
Does he want two potential relegations on his resume with ITFC?
People need to get look at size of opportunity compared to size of club sometimes. |  |
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| TalkSport reporting…. on 15:17 - Jun 1 with 848 views | nrb1985 |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 15:01 - Jun 1 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Are Fulham odds on to get relegated then?
Does he want two potential relegations on his resume with ITFC?
People need to get look at size of opportunity compared to size of club sometimes. |
Agree with all of the above.
Some people’s view of the world is absolutely baffling not to mention wrong. Chelsea nor United ever offered him the job to be clear.
Brighton did, suspect he regrets that with hindsight.
Fulham is a brilliant club, upwardly mobile, stable ownership - not to mention located in arguably the best part of the best city in the world.
Hope he stays but let’s be objective that odds heavily against us to be competing with the Brighton’s and fulhams of the world in the next 2-3 years. | | | |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 15:50 - Jun 1 with 748 views | tractorboy1978 |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 15:17 - Jun 1 by nrb1985 |
Agree with all of the above.
Some people’s view of the world is absolutely baffling not to mention wrong. Chelsea nor United ever offered him the job to be clear.
Brighton did, suspect he regrets that with hindsight.
Fulham is a brilliant club, upwardly mobile, stable ownership - not to mention located in arguably the best part of the best city in the world.
Hope he stays but let’s be objective that odds heavily against us to be competing with the Brighton’s and fulhams of the world in the next 2-3 years. |
Fulham are obviously ahead of us right now but I guess it depends whether McKenna sees them as his next logical step. It would seem bizarre to reject Brighton (when we were in a worse position) to then go to Fulham now.
I wouldn't say they are particularly upwardly mobile. I think Silva has worked wonders and squeezed everything out of what he has to keep them a stable 10th-13th over the last four seasons. I believe he's been a bit of a frustrated figure because he doesn't think he can take them any further.
Their owners aren't big spenders and seem quite happy keeping the status quo. I wouldn't say there is any ambition there beyond staying in the league year after year. Their best player looks like he is walking for free this summer as well. | | | |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:02 - Jun 1 with 697 views | blueoutlook |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 15:17 - Jun 1 by nrb1985 |
Agree with all of the above.
Some people’s view of the world is absolutely baffling not to mention wrong. Chelsea nor United ever offered him the job to be clear.
Brighton did, suspect he regrets that with hindsight.
Fulham is a brilliant club, upwardly mobile, stable ownership - not to mention located in arguably the best part of the best city in the world.
Hope he stays but let’s be objective that odds heavily against us to be competing with the Brighton’s and fulhams of the world in the next 2-3 years. |
So when do we start competing then ? Because the way you are talking they will always be ahead of us? How do we catch up then ? Because Gamechanger aren’t here to make up the numbers. Sunderland and Leeds seem to have done ok. Nottingham Forest have managed it. So why can’t we? End of the day we are a bigger club than the likes of Fulham. |  | | |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:11 - Jun 1 with 658 views | BseaBlue |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 15:17 - Jun 1 by nrb1985 |
Agree with all of the above.
Some people’s view of the world is absolutely baffling not to mention wrong. Chelsea nor United ever offered him the job to be clear.
Brighton did, suspect he regrets that with hindsight.
Fulham is a brilliant club, upwardly mobile, stable ownership - not to mention located in arguably the best part of the best city in the world.
Hope he stays but let’s be objective that odds heavily against us to be competing with the Brighton’s and fulhams of the world in the next 2-3 years. |
I make you right RE Brighton but more so the Palace job he turned down. Since then, they have gone on to win the FA Cup, charity shield and now a European trophy.
I can't help but feel he might regret that and could factor in to his decision to move on should the opportunity arise. Whilst our ceiling might be higher than Fulham's, football these days is very much all about the here and now and their squad is considerably stronger than ours. |  | | |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:11 - Jun 1 with 653 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:02 - Jun 1 by blueoutlook |
So when do we start competing then ? Because the way you are talking they will always be ahead of us? How do we catch up then ? Because Gamechanger aren’t here to make up the numbers. Sunderland and Leeds seem to have done ok. Nottingham Forest have managed it. So why can’t we? End of the day we are a bigger club than the likes of Fulham. |
We can but we don’t have anywhere near the level of squad to do it right now, so it’s going to take a few A recruitment windows yet and if he gets an opportunity he feels is right, he should take it and do what’s right for him.
He’s shown a lot of loyalty already and been rewarded financially for doing so, in turn he has Ipswich back in the PL.
We would be a great opening still if the worst happens. | |
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| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:16 - Jun 1 with 608 views | itfcjoe |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 10:45 - Jun 1 by portmanking |
Fulham?! You really think so, Joe?
Our new training facility sh*ts all over theirs. Our stadium will eventually be 10,000+ of Craven Cottage. If we get this season right, we could be set to overtake the likes of Fulham in 18 months.
I know a couple of Fulham fans. They know full well they are, to a certain degree, punching above their weight. [Post edited 1 Jun 10:46]
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It'll take us 2-3 seasons of everything going right to get to where Fulham are now - i.e. an established PL side.
I don't think McKenna is going to be here for a decade, so don't think he gets us to that point - this is a logical next step for him |  |
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| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:17 - Jun 1 with 595 views | flykickingbybgunn |
Is Tommy Trinder still their chairman ? |  | | |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:18 - Jun 1 with 601 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 15:01 - Jun 1 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Are Fulham odds on to get relegated then?
Does he want two potential relegations on his resume with ITFC?
People need to get look at size of opportunity compared to size of club sometimes. |
The two relegations with us (were it to happen) could, perhaps, not be the stain on his CV some are making it out to be. Top owners could look at it as him having done an incredible job to get us that far, given we've only had 1 season in the Prem in 25 years.
Taking over an established Prem club - while the rewards are potentially greater, so are the risks. If he were to fail there, then it becomes more of a pattern. It's not just a club punching above its weight and not quite ready. It's an established club too.
At the moment I still think McKenna would be too big of a risk for clubs like Fulham as well. I think they'd be looking for a top foreign coach. If McKenna were to keep us up... or even do a Sunderland... that's when the top clubs would be more likely to swoop, IMO. And in that scenario I think it would be bigger clubs than Fulham.
In summary, I think McKenna to Fulham would be too much of a risk for both parties at this stage! [Post edited 1 Jun 16:19]
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| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:22 - Jun 1 with 584 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:16 - Jun 1 by itfcjoe |
It'll take us 2-3 seasons of everything going right to get to where Fulham are now - i.e. an established PL side.
I don't think McKenna is going to be here for a decade, so don't think he gets us to that point - this is a logical next step for him |
Yep! Not sure why people are surprised, seems to me people play the pub chat game “are Ipswich bigger than Bournemouth, Fulham etc”
That’s fine for the pub and YouTube but it’s size of opportunity that’s important.
Stable and established, would be a decent move for him if you look at it from outside and ITFC lense. We will be firm favorites to go down is the harsh reality!
If it happened (and I hope it doesn’t) would like someone with top flight European experience and contacts. [Post edited 1 Jun 16:22]
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| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:24 - Jun 1 with 564 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:22 - Jun 1 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yep! Not sure why people are surprised, seems to me people play the pub chat game “are Ipswich bigger than Bournemouth, Fulham etc”
That’s fine for the pub and YouTube but it’s size of opportunity that’s important.
Stable and established, would be a decent move for him if you look at it from outside and ITFC lense. We will be firm favorites to go down is the harsh reality!
If it happened (and I hope it doesn’t) would like someone with top flight European experience and contacts. [Post edited 1 Jun 16:22]
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I don't think we'll be firm favourites to go down. Third favourites, perhaps! | |
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| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:25 - Jun 1 with 555 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:18 - Jun 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The two relegations with us (were it to happen) could, perhaps, not be the stain on his CV some are making it out to be. Top owners could look at it as him having done an incredible job to get us that far, given we've only had 1 season in the Prem in 25 years.
Taking over an established Prem club - while the rewards are potentially greater, so are the risks. If he were to fail there, then it becomes more of a pattern. It's not just a club punching above its weight and not quite ready. It's an established club too.
At the moment I still think McKenna would be too big of a risk for clubs like Fulham as well. I think they'd be looking for a top foreign coach. If McKenna were to keep us up... or even do a Sunderland... that's when the top clubs would be more likely to swoop, IMO. And in that scenario I think it would be bigger clubs than Fulham.
In summary, I think McKenna to Fulham would be too much of a risk for both parties at this stage! [Post edited 1 Jun 16:19]
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Everyone knows how hard it is to compete in the PL but he wouldn’t want that tag, if Fulham came knocking I would not be at all surprised if he answered. | |
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| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:30 - Jun 1 with 513 views | nrb1985 |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:11 - Jun 1 by BseaBlue |
I make you right RE Brighton but more so the Palace job he turned down. Since then, they have gone on to win the FA Cup, charity shield and now a European trophy.
I can't help but feel he might regret that and could factor in to his decision to move on should the opportunity arise. Whilst our ceiling might be higher than Fulham's, football these days is very much all about the here and now and their squad is considerably stronger than ours. |
Think the last sentence is right.
He owes us nothing now - he needs to do what’s right for his career and only he can know the answer to that - I hope it’s staying but if not, build him a statue. | | | |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 17:27 - Jun 1 with 363 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:24 - Jun 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't think we'll be firm favourites to go down. Third favourites, perhaps! |
You know what I mean, there’s 3 spots. | |
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| TalkSport reporting…. on 17:43 - Jun 1 with 323 views | strikalite |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 16:25 - Jun 1 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Everyone knows how hard it is to compete in the PL but he wouldn’t want that tag, if Fulham came knocking I would not be at all surprised if he answered. |
I suppose he would need to go to a Fulham before getting one of the so called big Clubs, but just hoping he wants to be part of what we're trying to build, family settled and kids at school here etc.. |  | | |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 18:12 - Jun 1 with 257 views | FelixBlue4 |
I can’t get my head round people say about the 3 promotions like it’s no big deal. The only manager that has really stayed at a club and had that sort of run over the last 4 years is Parkinson at Wrexham. If it was that easy every club would be doing it. After we went down with Burley we spent over 20 years getting back there, I think people should give KMc a bit more credit for what he has done here. A 2nd relegation with us while not ideal would not be the end for him or us. However I do believe like any player that gets a chance and wants to move if it’s right for us then let them go and move on. I would love to see what he can do here over the next 4-5 years, that’s if he signs another deal. | | | |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 19:46 - Jun 1 with 152 views | Churchman |
| TalkSport reporting…. on 11:10 - Jun 1 by jas0999 |
Would I prefer KM to stay …. Absolutely.
But … I also appreciate it’s a tough situation for him. Last time round, with his stock very high, he did the right and honourable thing and stayed. But as we now know, it didn’t end well in the PL and KMs stock dropped dramatically. So, here we are again. Stock and reputation is extremely high. Fulham is an established PL side with very good players. What does he do?
I’ll personally wish him well, either way. |
I really hope he stays but if a second level job like the Fulham one comes up, it’s a really good stepping stone for him and I can’t think of a single reason beyond family stuff (children’s schooling etc) why he’d stay. While I and the majority support him, plenty this season haven’t and don't - and he knows it.
Should he go, it will be with my thanks and best wishes. He’s been brilliant. [Post edited 1 Jun 19:49]
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